sorry mike but if you sell with f&f and then dont send paypal their real end of the transaction you basically cheated them out of it.

i grant you they over favor the buyer at your expense but if you use the service then it is dishonest to cheat them out of their commissions even if you think its unfair. and if you will cheat paypal where does your honesty start and stop.

i assume you are honest but who can feel sure to make a deal when you base who or how you pay based by your decisions.

maha said:

your advocating friends and family in the same post as talking about your word being good.

anyone selling doing f&f should get taken as they are stealing from pay pal. and a thief is a thief whether you think or not in you own mind.

i have stock in the company so you are also stealing from me.

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Sorry but I do not look at accepting F&F payments as cheating Pay Pal but rather as a way to protect myself - an honest seller - from buyers who scam sellers on the back end with totally unreasonable demands and expectations in the post transaction process.

The proliferation of AI in customer service by companies like Pay PAL and the shipping companies has changed the selling game entirely IMO and my experience.
Just try defending yourself against fraud and unreasonableness when you are now facing climbing the wall of AI customer support - no sir, this world we have now says that small independent online sellers who are honest need to get the deal done and be able to walk away free of the nightmare service issues.
The world has changed and not for the better - self protection rules today in so many aspects - now more than ever- that is how I see it for those who want to deal fair and square.

g0ds gReeN said:

I've read the occasional bad transaction over in the sale sub forum as well as here when frustrations warrant venting. While trying to stay young at heart, long gone are the days when a handshake and a man's word meant something (especially when it comes to internet dealings.) I'm no saint, but I never try to misrepresent myself in business dealings. While it's not the norm to be bamboozled, what ways do you and others do to keep yourself as safe as you can w/o going the consignment route short of waiting for payments to clear and asking/checking references over on OBM?

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your advocating friends and family in the same post as talking about your word being good.

anyone selling doing f&f should get taken as they are stealing from pay pal. and a thief is a thief whether you think or not in you own mind.

i have stock in the company so you are also stealing from me.

Nature Boy said:

Did something go wrong with the stream this week? I went on yesterday to watch the matches from Saturday, and there was only two videos, neither very long.

Thanks!

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They are there now. They were available on Railbirds on too.

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I respect this kid more than most people 10x his age. This is not funny, but more of this needs to be shown. It makes me proud to see pictures like this, which puts a smile on my face, the end result of being funny, happy, proud or an over all good feeling is what this thread is all about. Keep'em coming Rusty!!!!