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nataddrho
Unless you remove the garage door and build a wall in it's place, there is no good solution for heating a garage that is cost effective. But then you can't use the door to back in your car and unload groceries. Plus you can buy a faux-leather cover for the table and place 3/4" sanded plywood over the table and use the space for parties/events (which is what I do).

I have a dehumidifier that keeps the humidity around 50%, and it re-stabilizes after a door-opening in about 30 minutes. The garage and the table aren't heated, but since the garage is insulated it doesn't drop below 32F in the middle of the winter. I just wear a hat and a sweatshirt during those months, and live with the change in table conditions. I can't justify losing the garage door and paying $40 to $100 to heat the table and/or the garage.

If you do remove the door, and both your slab and walls and ceiling are insulated, I'd suggest a split unit running off of propane. Just know that garages are notoriously difficult to heat in usual circumstances, and that's why I don't even bother.

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For the slope, we just added blocks to one end of the table.
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Eugene Ivantsov Custom Cue

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Eugene Ivantsov from 2025. Excellent condition. Asking $1550 paypal F&F or add 4% CONUS sale only!
For better pictures, check out Ivantsov's facebook page.

Butt: 29" 15.0oz Radial pin
Shaft: 29" 3.9oz 12.75mm Triangle tip Whyte Triple 60 in Pearl
Extension: 8" 4.4oz
Custom joint protectors (I forgot to take pics of)
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Super Billiards Expo 2026

skip100
Bob Jewett said:
Woodward won $95k in tournaments last year. Thorpe was about $70k. With sponsors and side gigs, that can work. There are three other Americans over $50k for 2025.
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People ignoring sponsorship, lessons, and other side gig revenue streams are being willfully obtuse about the financials of pro pool, but that’s par for the course for many posters here.
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Anti-elbow drop machine

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GoldCrown said:
The only parallel I see is I play in a Dive sometimes. I get the message.
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No message except elbow drop or not compared to any one of those dives. Learn a good method and stick to it. It shouldn't ever be a struggle.

Incidentally dive bars are the only places with tables here. The last place with 9 footers closed 4, 5 years ago. I'm probably better off than spending all my free time at pool. :ROFLMAO:
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Yapp’s Controversial Tournament-Winning Shot in the 8-Ball World Championship … Was it a Foul?

dr_dave
sjm said:
Yes, but they are not learning from their mistakes., so I'm a lot more concerned about it than you.

By every reckoning, the Capito foul that (possibly) cost Lechner a spot in the 2025 Hanoi Open semifinals should have given rise to remedial action by WPA to train referees. The most incredible thing about the Capito call at the Hanoi Open, among the worst calls I've seen in my fifty years around pro pool, is that AFTER a video review by the head referee, the incredibly embarrassing call was upheld by the head referee. The message was clear. Referees lack some of the knowledge to do their job as well as they might.

Similarly, when WAXGATE happened at the 2025 WPC, it was obvious to numerous players that some were doctoring the cue ball, not only observing it, but because the cue ball was, far too often, "behaving" in a manner deemed near impossible and irreconcilable with all their experience. I firmly believe that the referees noticed it, too but, if so, they opted not to enforce a rule that WPA noted, in a press release that same week, fell under "unsportsmanslike conduct" rules long on the books. If the refs did not notice it, there is, once again, a problem with referees not showing up to matches with the right knowledge.

I'm fine with referees making some errors in observation or judgment from time to time, for they are only human. They will fail to notice or even misjudge the occasional shirt foul, double hit. or ever-so-slight movement of an object ball, and that's unfortunate but to be expected.

I'm not fine with referees showing up to work without the knowledge needed to do their jobs effectively and, in my opinion, for the third time in the past year, referee ineffectiveness reared its ugly head in major championship play.
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Well stated. I agree 100% with your points. For those interested, the other "situations" you mention are covered in detail here:


And here's another recent bad call you should have mentioned:
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Yapp’s Controversial Tournament-Winning Shot in the 8-Ball World Championship … Was it a Foul?

dr_dave
mareh said:
Yapp knew it was a foul. So for me, he is just a piece of shit.
Not a way to win WC.
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I think he suspected it could have been a foul, but I don't think he was sure it was a foul. If he was sure, I suspect he would have called a foul or asked for a review. Regardless, all of this is the job of the ref, not the player.
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Yapp’s Controversial Tournament-Winning Shot in the 8-Ball World Championship … Was it a Foul?

dr_dave
td873 said:
[Cross-post from other thread - simulation seems to match Dr. Dave's analysis, which is expected IMO]

FWIW, I asked ChatGPT to create a physics-based analysis and statistical model (including actual physical parameters as well as information gleaned from Dr. Dave), then run Monte Carlo simulations on extreme right spin shots and then to plot the results of
1) hitting 4 first and
2) hitting 8 first.

I had it run 250,000 attempts and show the results on an overhead of the actual [real world] table. These tests resulted in resting cue ball locations that had no overlap between 8-ball-first and 4-ball-first shots (as would be expected). The estimated end location of the actual shot aligns with a 4-first hit. I then had it run a second simulation at 25% higher speed (10,000 attempts) to show a broader plot.

Below are the graphs and here is ChatGPT's answer: Under standard WPA rules, such contact would constitute a foul. However, absent clear real-time evidence, the original ruling remains valid.

[edit: the object balls are so close, and are separately approximately by the diameter of a ball. Super close hit. The line of centers [arguably] supports that the cue ball path will almost exclusively be because of natural roll after contact. The cue ball contacts the 2nd ball (whatever that is) almost immediately and would lose almost all movement along the tangent line. The resulting location is largely a result roll.

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Thank you for sharing that. Awesome job.
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Yapp’s Controversial Tournament-Winning Shot in the 8-Ball World Championship … Was it a Foul?

dr_dave
uk_9_ball_convert said:
Two things I disagree with, you said if you were FSR you would be challenging the call, but his view of the table was blocked by Yapp who was directly infront of him as he played the shot so realistically FSR didn't know what happened so was never going to say anything. Wonder what he thinks of it now.
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Let me revise my statement. If I were FSR, I would have made sure I was able to see the shot because it was obvious it was going to be a close call. And when I saw how the CB reacted, indicating an obvious foul, I would have challenged the non-call.

uk_9_ball_convert said:
And you think the ref should have taken longer, but someone announced over the tannoy that Yapp was champion almost as soon as the black went in, so that opportunity was taken out of her hands. I feel like the person on the tannoy is partially responsible for it not to have been properly reviewed, pretty hard to roll back a decision after you've publicly announced the champion.
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That is unfortunate, and I know it is asking a lot for the ref to be assertive in a situation like this, but that is their job (to make sure the right call is made, despite other circumstances).
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