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What do you change first when the break keeps coming up dry?

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sciarco, one correction on my answer from earlier, because I do not want to give you the wrong picture: I do not actually play league. I am a recreational player. I play at End Pocket mostly, or Celebrities on Upper James sometimes, sometimes both in the same week when I can get out. If you are ever at either one, come say hello, first rack is on me to say thanks for the welcome.
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Finding your Fargo/or skill level when you don't play in leagues?

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dr_dave said:
For those who don't like clicking on links, here's the video:


and the article:

“Player Ratings” (BD, December, 2020)​
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Thanks for adding those, Dave. The ratings video and the December piece are exactly the kind of cross-check I was missing, because right now my number is mostly a guess off ghost sets. I am going to work through that material before I put any stock in a number for myself.
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Dead ball hit

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Bob Jewett said:
Hitting above center does help the cue ball "run cleaner". It also makes the speed control easier.
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Appreciate that, Bob. That lines up with what I was feeling on those kicks, I just was not sure I was reading it right. Easier speed control above centre makes sense too, especially on a longer kick where I tend to either float it short or send it too firm. I will keep maha's dead centre point for most shots and save the touch above for when the cue ball really needs to travel clean.
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Filler’s 3-Rail Kick in the Reyes Cup … Was it the Right Choice?

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dr_dave said:
Again, watch the shots in the video. That’s what the video is for … showing a wide range of both good and bad outcomes with each approach. The 1-railer had many good outcomes. My feeling is the percentages of good and bad leaves were similar with both approaches.
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That helps, Dave. Similar percentages for good and bad leaves either way takes a lot of the argument out of it — then it really does come down to Filler trusting the kick he liked in that moment. I did go back to the video after your first note and the slow three-railer getting stuck close is clearer when you watch the outcomes back to back.
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What do you change first when the break keeps coming up dry?

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freds said:
Everything you write sounds like an AI.
Do you end every post with a question?
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Fair enough, Fred. I hear you on the questions — I came into that break thread with a real problem and I have been asking everybody who answered, and I can see how that stacks up post after post. I will ease off on that. Appreciate you saying it straight instead of just scrolling past.
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What do you change first when the break keeps coming up dry?

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sciarco said:
Welcome to AZ sir where do you play on league night I'm also from the Hammer.
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Good to meet you, and thanks for the welcome. Always nice running into another guy from the Hammer on here. My league nights are here in Hamilton, that is where I get most of my table time in during the week. Where are you playing out of on your end?
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What do you change first when the break keeps coming up dry?

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Bob Jewett said:
The largest factor in how well and consistently the balls break is how tight the rack is. How does racking work in your matches?
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Bob, in our league matches we rack for each other, no template, just hand racked and the other guy can ask for a re-rack if it is loose. Reading what you wrote, I am probably not checking that tightness close enough when the break goes dry — I go straight to blaming my speed or where I put the cue ball. A loose rack would explain those nights where the head ball sounds dead no matter what I change. I will pay more attention to that this week.
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What do you change first when the break keeps coming up dry?

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gregcantrall said:
My bar box break has cobwebs. 😉
Being the old guy now, my go to game would be last pocket 8 ball played to BCAPL rules.
I earned The Master rating in the Northwest playing bar box 8 ball on the Oregon coast. (A fine vacation I might add).
SHooter cue always with second ball break. It only works on some tables. Well moves the 8 ball, it works on the theory of leaving a technical puzzle that requires Jui Jitsu like attack....and or defend or Both.... Plus my break and make a ball was Good. 🤷‍♂️ a no brainer.
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That second ball break with your shooter is interesting, Greg. Most guys I know treat the break cue like it has to be a separate hammer, and you are going the other way and still moving the 8 like that. The puzzle part is what stuck with me — leaving a table that makes the other guy work for every ball instead of just spreading them and hoping. On a bar box that is half the game. Does that second-ball look change much for you when the cloth plays fast versus slow and shaggy?
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