dquarasr said:

... So it’s possible that distance traveled can be another indicator assuming the area after the hit affords room on the table to determine speed and distance.

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That's true for a perfectly broadside shot as in the video or close to that, but usually the cue ball is coming in at an angle and that can make object ball speed more complicated.

middleofnowhere said:

There was also an Atlantic City tournament that Jimmy Rempy won. It was known by all the players beforehand that that money was not going to be paid out. The payout was going to be based on the success of the tournament. They just wanted to be able to advertise a giant prize fund.

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couldnt been a very good turnout if they knew they weren't gonna get paid? or do you mean they played for entrance fees in the end?

spartan said:

Those few W10B in 2000s were $100K for winner.

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that was only one year, when darren won. not sure if everyone got paid properly either. they scaled back and folded after the subsequent year, amid pinoy poolitics and boycotts

cstrombe said:

I copied those rules from the wpa pdf there now, the "2025-09-15" version, which I thought was the current set of rules. Please let me know if I'm looking in the wrong spot. Would definitely be interested in seeing the current rule.

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Rule 3.16 says, in part: "3.16 UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT The normal penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct is the same as for a serious foul, but the referee may impose a penalty depending on his judgment of the conduct." It goes on to list weaker and stronger penalties from just a warning to expulsion from the tournament.

Here is what is currently on the WPA website in the current, official rules for 14.1 specifically:

There have been tournaments in which the management has decided that specific kinds of fouls that would be considered unsportsmanlike, such as touching the cue ball illegally, automatically incur some specific penalty. That takes away the referee's discretion on how to penalize the foul. That is outside the standard rules.

The CSI rules may have some of those specific cases.

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Kris_b1104 said:

Agreed. It's sad that fans have to figure out what the rankings and earnings are. We are almost halfway into the year and Matchroom is dead silent. That is troubling for the future of pro pool.

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Gary Wilson talking about his struggle with the yips. Never saw the match, but the stats that popped up during it would make you think he played well despite being so frustrated with his performance. As an aside, we were talking about players accents earlier in the thread, I find Wilson's Geordie accent quite pleasant to listen to.
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skogstokig said:

that's a steep drop. was the 40k a one-off?

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I just went back and watched it again only the beginning where they're introducing it. And sure enough Mike Sigel is playing Varner and they're playing for a first prize of $40,000.
I went back to watch it because I thought maybe I miss heard it and $40,000 was the entire prize fund but no that was first prize. They might have taken a bath on some of those tournaments and rather than cancel it reorganize their prize payouts cuz it was unrealistic.

You know they can play with those numbers in those tournaments. Years ago I sponsored a player and flew him out to I think it was California to play in a tournament with a $1,000 entry fee and an enormous price fund. They just wanted to be able to advertise a giant prize fund. The entry fee was actually 400 and everybody got back $600 on arrival. So if you went 2 and out you had $600.

There was also an Atlantic City tournament that Jimmy Rempy won. It was known by all the players beforehand that that money was not going to be paid out. The payout was going to be based on the success of the tournament. They just wanted to be able to advertise a giant prize fund.

Steve Cook won a tournament I think it was in Louisiana where the promoter didn't want to pay. He was calling people into the office and basically just making them offers. Because most pool players are broke they were just taking whatever he offered.

Until you got to Steve Cook who won the tournament. Steve went in there with his backer a guy TR from Tampa. If anybody knows what I'm talking about they know what I'm talking about. They left with Steve's $10,000.