New Event: Women's World 10-Ball Championship
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No wonder pool is where it's at now there in the USA. Congratulations, you're such a big help to the sport. Conflict with Philippine open? WPA is sanctioning the open? Or BSCP is a member of WPA and any event that clashes with BSCP is out of WPA. Is this a true Philippine Open or just the BSCP members? So let me get this straight, any event with "World" in DP is not a true world because they are invitational only, so any Philippine open without the Philippine players are also not True open, but when sanctioned by WPA is true open?
Why would CW and Dragon Promotions release a statement saying that a tournament was a "World Championship", sanctioned by the WPA, before getting approval signing all of the necessary documents with the WPA???
IMHO, they knew exactly what they were doing and they were just trying to intimidate and pressure the WPA to get their own way.
This is not the first time they have done this sort of thing and it is about time they got called on it.
With business practices like this, CW and DP should be blocked receiving any type of sanctioning for their events from any of the billiard organizations and players should be encouraged to refrain from playing in DP events.
IMHO, they knew exactly what they were doing and they were just trying to intimidate and pressure the WPA to get their own way.
This is not the first time they have done this sort of thing and it is about time they got called on it.
With business practices like this, CW and DP should be blocked receiving any type of sanctioning for their events from any of the billiard organizations and players should be encouraged to refrain from playing in DP events.
WPA and Dragon Promotions at ODDS Part I
the WPA news release from AZ billiards front page.
Independent Event
Statement from the WPA Concerning the Upcoming Dragon Promotions Event
It is with regret that the WPA cannot proceed with the sanctioning of the upcoming Dragon Promotions event in Manila that was announced by them a few days ago. We are aware that the dates of this event will clash with an event we have already sanctioned, the Philippine Open, that is open to male and female players, and we would expect our members will support the Philippine Open.
It is unfortunate that Dragon Promotions chose dates that were already reserved and announced. Despite assurances from Dragon Promotions to the WPA that the local WPA member, the BSCP, would have no objections to Dragon Promotions conducting their event at the same time in the same city, this didn’t prove to be right when the BSCP was asked for confirmation about this claim. The BSCP replied saying they were totally opposed to another event being conducted on the same dates as the Philippine Open, but had no objection to a women’s event being staged in the Philippines at some other time.
The purpose of the WPA calendar is not only to display events that are being planned or confirmed, but to assist those who are looking to schedule an event.
Our continental members are very upset with this attempt by Dragon Promotions to stage an event in competition to another that has already been sanctioned, in particular the claim by Dragon Promotions to call its tournament a world championship with or without WPA sanctioning. Pool is no different to any other sport in that before an event can be considered a proper world championship it needs the sanction of the governing body along with the other necessary ingredients.
It is our hope that promoters will find it logical and beneficial to support the efforts of one another and not schedule tournaments on the same dates as other promoters, and certainly not in the same city, country, or even part of the world. Those types of actions that cause clashes are unhealthy and detrimental to the sport.
By Press Release - 2009-03-02
the WPA news release from AZ billiards front page.
Independent Event
Statement from the WPA Concerning the Upcoming Dragon Promotions Event
It is with regret that the WPA cannot proceed with the sanctioning of the upcoming Dragon Promotions event in Manila that was announced by them a few days ago. We are aware that the dates of this event will clash with an event we have already sanctioned, the Philippine Open, that is open to male and female players, and we would expect our members will support the Philippine Open.
It is unfortunate that Dragon Promotions chose dates that were already reserved and announced. Despite assurances from Dragon Promotions to the WPA that the local WPA member, the BSCP, would have no objections to Dragon Promotions conducting their event at the same time in the same city, this didn’t prove to be right when the BSCP was asked for confirmation about this claim. The BSCP replied saying they were totally opposed to another event being conducted on the same dates as the Philippine Open, but had no objection to a women’s event being staged in the Philippines at some other time.
The purpose of the WPA calendar is not only to display events that are being planned or confirmed, but to assist those who are looking to schedule an event.
Our continental members are very upset with this attempt by Dragon Promotions to stage an event in competition to another that has already been sanctioned, in particular the claim by Dragon Promotions to call its tournament a world championship with or without WPA sanctioning. Pool is no different to any other sport in that before an event can be considered a proper world championship it needs the sanction of the governing body along with the other necessary ingredients.
It is our hope that promoters will find it logical and beneficial to support the efforts of one another and not schedule tournaments on the same dates as other promoters, and certainly not in the same city, country, or even part of the world. Those types of actions that cause clashes are unhealthy and detrimental to the sport.
By Press Release - 2009-03-02
Dragon Promotions Women's 10 Ball
Who are you going to believe? DP has a rep for making money for the players. The WPA certainly needs to improve its scheduling calendar.
Independent Event
Yu Ram Cha
2009 Women's World 10-Ball Championship Announced
Manila, Philippines- Dragon Promotions is pleased to announce a new event to the world of billiards, The Women's World 10-Ball Championship ! This inaugural event will take place on May 25-30,2009 in Manila, Philippines and will host 48 women from around the globe to vie to become the first ever female World 10-Ball Champion which will pay $20,000 to the winner.
Dragon Promotions has been successful in becoming one of the leading promoters in the world today. DP has been supporting pool growth in the US for the past 8 years and established itself as an international tour de force taking on ambitious projects such as promoting billiards growth in India. Perhaps DP's greatest accomplishment to date has been its single handed creation of a billiards boom in Korea for the past five years, creating billiards as a viable sports program there with multiple TV networks. Now Dragon Promotions looks to broaden billiards popularity in the Philippines, a country with one of the most enormous potentials in pool today.
"It's a very challenging time with the current economic hardships and players losing so many events and sponsorships. We hope to inject a boost of morale into the sport with this new event, and also help heal the struggles in the billiard community," explained Cindy Lee, CEO of Dragon Promotions.
Lee adds, "Billiards is vastly popular in the Philippines, but still behind sports such as basketball and boxing. The professional men's events have made pool much more noticeable, and we hope showcasing women there at our Women's World 10-Ball Championship will broaden the scope and interest. The ladies have something different to offer, and we think we'll draw the attention of other demographics. Combined with the men, it will make pool even more mainstream."
Dragon Promotions has been the largest promoter of 10-Ball starting in 2005 with the Korea Pro Tour Championships playing 10-Ball for the first time on Asian television in Korea, and then evolving 10-Ball in the USA into their events including the Lucasi 10-Ball Classic , the Florida Pro 10-Ball Open and the Predator International Championship. Players such as Shane Van Boening had the notable distinction of winning his first ever major event at the Predator World 10-Ball Championships in 2007. DP also started strong junior support programs such as The World Junior 10-Ball Championships, with a boys and girls division.
Player invitations will begin going out next week with several marquee names expected to accept. Many players welcome the news of this new event including Korean Champion Yu Ram Cha. Cha is a product of Dragon Promotions management and training and winner of The Korea Pro Tour Championships, which was a 10-Ball event, and winner of the first Junior World 10-Ball Championships. Yu Ram was recently named Billiards Digest 2008 Breakthrough Player of the Year.
"I'm really excited to goto the Philippines and play in the very first World 10-Ball Championship for women. I've been there a few times and really enjoyed my trips and the people are so nice. I feel 10-Ball is better suited for my game because you need a stronger break and better cueball control, which are two of the strongest parts of my game." said the 21 year old Cha, who is one of the many talented players managed by Dragon Promotions.
The complete format and prize breakdown will be available soon with updates on www.dragonpromotions.com . Players, sponsors, and fans can request more info and join DP's mailing list at womensworld10ball@gmail.com
By Press Release - 2009-02-27
Who are you going to believe? DP has a rep for making money for the players. The WPA certainly needs to improve its scheduling calendar.
Independent Event
Yu Ram Cha
2009 Women's World 10-Ball Championship Announced
Manila, Philippines- Dragon Promotions is pleased to announce a new event to the world of billiards, The Women's World 10-Ball Championship ! This inaugural event will take place on May 25-30,2009 in Manila, Philippines and will host 48 women from around the globe to vie to become the first ever female World 10-Ball Champion which will pay $20,000 to the winner.
Dragon Promotions has been successful in becoming one of the leading promoters in the world today. DP has been supporting pool growth in the US for the past 8 years and established itself as an international tour de force taking on ambitious projects such as promoting billiards growth in India. Perhaps DP's greatest accomplishment to date has been its single handed creation of a billiards boom in Korea for the past five years, creating billiards as a viable sports program there with multiple TV networks. Now Dragon Promotions looks to broaden billiards popularity in the Philippines, a country with one of the most enormous potentials in pool today.
"It's a very challenging time with the current economic hardships and players losing so many events and sponsorships. We hope to inject a boost of morale into the sport with this new event, and also help heal the struggles in the billiard community," explained Cindy Lee, CEO of Dragon Promotions.
Lee adds, "Billiards is vastly popular in the Philippines, but still behind sports such as basketball and boxing. The professional men's events have made pool much more noticeable, and we hope showcasing women there at our Women's World 10-Ball Championship will broaden the scope and interest. The ladies have something different to offer, and we think we'll draw the attention of other demographics. Combined with the men, it will make pool even more mainstream."
Dragon Promotions has been the largest promoter of 10-Ball starting in 2005 with the Korea Pro Tour Championships playing 10-Ball for the first time on Asian television in Korea, and then evolving 10-Ball in the USA into their events including the Lucasi 10-Ball Classic , the Florida Pro 10-Ball Open and the Predator International Championship. Players such as Shane Van Boening had the notable distinction of winning his first ever major event at the Predator World 10-Ball Championships in 2007. DP also started strong junior support programs such as The World Junior 10-Ball Championships, with a boys and girls division.
Player invitations will begin going out next week with several marquee names expected to accept. Many players welcome the news of this new event including Korean Champion Yu Ram Cha. Cha is a product of Dragon Promotions management and training and winner of The Korea Pro Tour Championships, which was a 10-Ball event, and winner of the first Junior World 10-Ball Championships. Yu Ram was recently named Billiards Digest 2008 Breakthrough Player of the Year.
"I'm really excited to goto the Philippines and play in the very first World 10-Ball Championship for women. I've been there a few times and really enjoyed my trips and the people are so nice. I feel 10-Ball is better suited for my game because you need a stronger break and better cueball control, which are two of the strongest parts of my game." said the 21 year old Cha, who is one of the many talented players managed by Dragon Promotions.
The complete format and prize breakdown will be available soon with updates on www.dragonpromotions.com . Players, sponsors, and fans can request more info and join DP's mailing list at womensworld10ball@gmail.com
By Press Release - 2009-02-27
Tom - I have a printout of WPA's calendar...printed in Dec 2008. The Philippine Open was definitely scheduled first.
Melissa
Jeanette Lee for one, and that Loraine...can't remember her first name. Johnnyt
DP using 'World Championships' in their promotion flyers and contracts needs to get the WPA to sanction these events. Men's and Women's events all.
Seems that the WPA did their work and DP didn't have any respect for the WPA because of the lousy scheduling calendar the WPA has.
I'm with you Ms. Herdon, DP has its own agenda and it doesn't include the WPA approvals or sanctioning.
Seems that the WPA did their work and DP didn't have any respect for the WPA because of the lousy scheduling calendar the WPA has.
I'm with you Ms. Herdon, DP has its own agenda and it doesn't include the WPA approvals or sanctioning.
We? You and your organization, BMPAP, has denied giving support to DP.
Didn't you read the WPA's press release on AZ front page about the scheduling conflicts in the Philipines?
Here is the text:
"It is unfortunate that Dragon Promotions chose dates that were already reserved and announced. Despite assurances from Dragon Promotions to the WPA that the local WPA member, the BSCP, would have no objections to Dragon Promotions conducting their event at the same time in the same city, this didn’t prove to be right when the BSCP was asked for confirmation about this claim.The BSCP replied saying they were totally opposed to another event being conducted on the same dates as the Philippine Open, but had no objection to a women’s event being staged in the Philippines at some other time.
Didn't you read the WPA's press release on AZ front page about the scheduling conflicts in the Philipines?
Here is the text:
"It is unfortunate that Dragon Promotions chose dates that were already reserved and announced. Despite assurances from Dragon Promotions to the WPA that the local WPA member, the BSCP, would have no objections to Dragon Promotions conducting their event at the same time in the same city, this didn’t prove to be right when the BSCP was asked for confirmation about this claim.The BSCP replied saying they were totally opposed to another event being conducted on the same dates as the Philippine Open, but had no objection to a women’s event being staged in the Philippines at some other time.
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Pardon my ignorant question but why is it important to have WPA sanction a tournament? Is it because countries own pool organization only recognizes a WPA sanction event and only send their players to those tourney?
I also think that the bad economy is actually a boon for pool players. holding a tournament in a country where the daily expenditure can be very cheap and Airline slashing the cost of air ticket all over the place.
And why is the thread starter super red!
I also think that the bad economy is actually a boon for pool players. holding a tournament in a country where the daily expenditure can be very cheap and Airline slashing the cost of air ticket all over the place.
And why is the thread starter super red!
UrackmIcrackm said:
When I made the post above, I had no idea of this current situation but I think the WPA press release (edited to show the pertinent parts to my quote) solidifies what I said.
"It is with regret that the WPA cannot proceed with the sanctioning of the upcoming Dragon Promotions event in Manila that was announced by them a few days ago.
It is unfortunate that Dragon Promotions chose dates that were already reserved and announced. Despite assurances from Dragon Promotions to the WPA that the local WPA member, the BSCP, would have no objections to Dragon Promotions conducting their event at the same time in the same city, this didn’t prove to be right when the BSCP was asked for confirmation about this claim. The BSCP replied saying they were totally opposed to another event being conducted on the same dates as the Philippine Open, but had no objection to a women’s event being staged in the Philippines at some other time.
The purpose of the WPA calendar is not only to display events that are being planned or confirmed, but to assist those who are looking to schedule an event.
Our continental members are very upset with this attempt by Dragon Promotions to stage an event in competition to another that has already been sanctioned, in particular the claim by Dragon Promotions to call its tournament a world championship with or without WPA sanctioning. Pool is no different to any other sport in that before an event can be considered a proper world championship it needs the sanction of the governing body along with the other necessary ingredients.
It is our hope that promoters will find it logical and beneficial to support the efforts of one another and not schedule tournaments on the same dates as other promoters, and certainly not in the same city, country, or even part of the world. Those types of actions that cause clashes are unhealthy and detrimental to the sport.
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Anyone else notice that DP's statement made no mention about being sanctioned by the WPA, which is required in order to hold a "world championship"? Their whole "press release" was nothing but tooting their own horn and listing the events they've promoted.
I find the following statement by DP rather interesting:
"Players such as Shane Van Boening had the notable distinction of winning his first ever major event at the Predator World 10-Ball Championships in 2007. "
I could be wrong (someone please correct me if so) but wasn't Shanes first major at the BCA tournament in Vegas, a few weeks PRIOR to the DP 10 ball event?
Because Dragon Promotions is not highly thought of by most on this forum and in the pool world in general.MasterClass said:
Tom,
BMPAP is NOT BSCP.
WPA also has these entries in their calendar: http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=cal2005
24/5/2009 29/5/2009 APBU APBU Women's 9-Ball Championship No TBA Korea
26/5/2009 31/5/2009 Raya Sports Philippine Open No Manila Philippines
Maybe best that the WPA do their job, for whatever that 5%(now7.5%) sanction fee is for, a little better before addressing publicly these "schedule conflicts" amongst member events.
BMPAP is NOT BSCP.
WPA also has these entries in their calendar: http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=cal2005
24/5/2009 29/5/2009 APBU APBU Women's 9-Ball Championship No TBA Korea
26/5/2009 31/5/2009 Raya Sports Philippine Open No Manila Philippines
Maybe best that the WPA do their job, for whatever that 5%(now7.5%) sanction fee is for, a little better before addressing publicly these "schedule conflicts" amongst member events.
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It would seem that Dragon Promotions are clearly an organisation intent on looking after the players interest, albeit a limited number of them.
Some may regard this as elitist but by showcasing their players in the manner in which they do they raise the profile of the game. This has allowed them to attract sponsorship from corporate sources outside the game.
Perhaps the WPA should take a leaf out of the DP book. Pay more heed to the interest of the players.
The 50% increase in the Sanctioning Fees would cost players like Mika Immonen, Alex Pagulyan or Dennis Orcollo a whopping great $1500 at the upcoming World Masters in Las Vegas.
It is only the strength shown by Matchroom that keeps these players in this event because 'they are not in good standing with their local federations' and consequently playing against the dictat of the WPA.
As fast as Dragon and Matchroom develop the sport the WPA are endeavouring to stymie it.
The Philippine Open may have been 'open' to women but, given the reported rift between BSCP and the leading lights of the Philippines female stars, how many would actually enter.
Some may regard this as elitist but by showcasing their players in the manner in which they do they raise the profile of the game. This has allowed them to attract sponsorship from corporate sources outside the game.
Perhaps the WPA should take a leaf out of the DP book. Pay more heed to the interest of the players.
The 50% increase in the Sanctioning Fees would cost players like Mika Immonen, Alex Pagulyan or Dennis Orcollo a whopping great $1500 at the upcoming World Masters in Las Vegas.
It is only the strength shown by Matchroom that keeps these players in this event because 'they are not in good standing with their local federations' and consequently playing against the dictat of the WPA.
As fast as Dragon and Matchroom develop the sport the WPA are endeavouring to stymie it.
The Philippine Open may have been 'open' to women but, given the reported rift between BSCP and the leading lights of the Philippines female stars, how many would actually enter.
From what was written on WPA 2009 tour, there is no BSCP but Raya Sports. So the BSCP is not using BSCP anymore?
Could it be that some tour or somebody are trying to take over or push out the stuggling WPBA? It wouldn't be the first time that a big company saw a good smaller company/ business wounded in a poor economy, or for whatever reason and snatch them up or push them aside in a take-over move. I hope not. Johnnyt
Somehow the above quote and the entire stance by the WPA just turns my stomach. I want to know who made them the Gods of pool anyway. This is the association that now demands 7.5% of the total prize pool for "sanctioning" your event. Whoop de doo! Once again I say nice work if you can get it.
I found out through one of my friends/sources that the Chinese Taipei players were finally paid for the World Ten Ball held last October. Only five months late! And yet the WPA is quick to jump into bed again with the organizers of this event. Where are the sanctions on the BCSP who took months to pay off the winners of the WTB?
I had several private e-mails from Ian Anderson and Thomas Overbeck a couple of months ago where they defended their actions in Manila last year, and following the WTB. I stressed to them the importance of holding promoters responsible for their guarantees. Their answer to me was to ask if I had paid out any prize money like the WTB purse in my career as a promoter. I reviewed my career for them and showed them about $2,000,000 in prize money successfully paid out, all paid in a prompt fashion (the day the event ended). Their response was, "How much of that was added money?" My response to them was, "It was ALL prize money!" Almost all events have an entry fee, which is then added to the purse. I thought everyone knew that. In other words, they put me "on trial" for asking about the payments from the WTB. Interesting response I thought.
In these same communications, they continually sidestepped the issue of major money being owed to the players from the WTB, and stated it was not their responsibility. They said the players must contact them (the WPA) and request their intervention. I reminded them of the language barrier and asked if knowing the promoter had not paid everyone months after the event was reason enough to intervene. They responded they had no way of verifying that. Why not check I asked? Why not be proactive on behalf of the players? No answer yet to that obvious question. In all our numerous communications it appeared to me they were defending the promoter and leaving the players hanging out to dry.
The one question I asked them was never answered. That was, "Did they (the WPA) get their $20,000 sanction fee from the BCSP?" For whatever reason that remains a private matter between the WPA and the BCSP :sorry:. It seems to me that there are very selective criteria for enforcing the "rules" of the WPA. Personally I don't think they should be sanctioning an event by a promoter who took five months to pay all the players from his previous event. To my knowledge a Dragon Promotions event has never failed to pay ALL prize money as advertised. I think the WPA should be supporting organizations like this, and sanctioning the ones who are delinquent. Maybe that's just me, but I'm glad I feel this way.
For me at this point in time, the last place I would go for a sanction is the WPA. They have proven to me that they are not capable of being an authority in our sport. I'm sorry I have to say things like this publicly, but someone has to safeguard the sport I love, and I will continue to speak out when I see wrong doing. Let the WPA right their own ship first, and get their priorities in line, if that is possible. I'm not so sure that will happen based on what I've seen during the last year.
I think we all know that an independent promoter like Matchroom and even KT are the ones who call the shots in pool. Not the WPA. Like most aspects of human behavior, he who has the gold rules! If another promoter came along and put up substantial prize moneys, the players would follow for obvious reasons, WPA sanction or not.
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Here're your missing answers Jay.
1. Ian, Thomas and Yen are partnered-up to open up an on-line gaming enterprise that will take bets on these events: http://www.azbilliards.com/yenmakabenta/yen6.php
How do we know this online gaming plan? Here's my post in another forum (12th post on this 4th page of the thread) http://forum.bilyar.net/viewtopic.php?t=3335&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45
Quote=BMPAP
The Philippine Sportswriters Association Awards was held last night at the Manila Pavillion. Boy oh boy! It's the who's who of Philippine Sports. All the NSAs were represented except for billiards where not a shadow of a BSCP representative was seen in attendance. Ang galing!
Never-the-less, billiards was second most popular last night after the country's hero, Manny Pacquiao. What with the presence of Sen . Manny Villar, BMPAP President Vic Rodriguez, BMPAP Directors and co-founders Perry Mariano and yours truly and Fred who accepted the award for Dennis Orcullo as Athlete of the Year for Billiards/Pool. The event proper didn't even start UNTIL Sen. Manny Villar arrived. Fred then in turn proceeded as Dennis wished to present his award, as a sign of gratitude, to Sen. Manny Villar for all the support he gave our sport. Bravo and Mabuhay ka Dennis!!
Now, who's Fred? Fred is the Pagcor Online Gaming Consultant that Yen consulted with for his ill-planned, ill-financed flubbed Online Gaming Outfit for Pool. Quite unfortunate for Yen too that he didn't show his face when the 3 lawyers from Hong Kong flew in last year for a contract signing to put together his off-shore on-line gaming corporation. Fred ended up paying for those lawyers' trip. So, you think we're just guessing about Yen's on-line gaming plan? Think again. (unquote)
It looks like they're still hoping to push through with it but without the BMPAP players they're still going to have a tough go at it. Now do you understand this "membership sign-up" deadline that WPA announced. 1+1 = online gambling!
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At last Jay, you have taken off your rose tinted glasses and we are getting on the same wavelength. Edwin's latest post reveals why they are so protective and selective with information. It is also curious why the latest Press Release is not attributed to anyone in particular. So who IS running the WPA,