Larry Price....amateur????

When I entered my first professional event (golf), I had to declare and sign that I was either Pro (I could get the cash if I win), or entering as an amateur (tough crap and good job on the win and here are some pro shop gift certs for ya). There is no middle of the road when competing in golf. Example US Amateur winner Danny Lee won the Johnny Walker open this year (and took down quite a few big names in the process), unfortunately he got NADA for the win because he had to declare his status when he entered. If he would have declared Pro status he would have lost his exemption to play in the Masters this year.
Maybe they should do the same at the pool events, this would clear up some of the confusion.

I had a friend of mine that played in a tournament as an amatuer golfer. We he wins the tourney and they asked him if he wanted to declare himself pro, so he could get the cash, or stay amatuer and get a fat gift certificate for his stellar play....
This has been a few years back but was wondering if they still offer that kinda of choice??
 
It's a moot point, really. A true hack amateur (i.e. APA level 6 or something) will never win that event. There are too many strong shortstops and other under-the-radar runout artists who will beat the living death out of the true amateurs and win the amateur event (or any event like it).

Therefore, to say guys like Larry ruin the amateur "dream" of winning that thing is inaccurate. If it's not Larry, it's some other unknown monster who plays like God.

People should start considering their $75 entry as a $75 self-assessment test to see how they hold up against strong competition.... not as a money-making investment.

I agree fully. I'm a decent player (APA 8 ball 6/7) but enjoy playing in the tourney for the reason you stated.
 
Back in the early days of the event Rodney Morris won the amateur.....he took down, if I remember right $5000...I want to say it was the third or fourth year...and everyone knew who he was.....
 
Just because someone won a bank tourney (or two or ten of them) does not make them a "professional" player.

Of the good bank pool players, Larry is one of the better of them playing rotation pool but given the players that they have let in the ameteur tourney at SBE in the past Larry fits the bill.

These are a couple good statements. Like many have already stated, there is no governing body on who is pro and who is not. If someone wins a lot of decent tournaments in a certain area or wins a bank tournament for instance that doesnt really ake them a pro. Take Brian Gregg and Larry Price both for instance, they have each won either the bank tournament or bank ring game more than once at the DCC but would either one jump up and play Archer, SVB, Parica, Efren, Appleton, Deuel, Hatch, Mika, Alcano etc some even 9 ball....probabbly not. Not saying they have no chance but they are not the same caliber of player as a lot of the top pros so does that mean they are semi pro's or the others are super pro's. Maybe it would be a good idea to do like they do in gold and enter as pro or amateur, who knows. There are so many calibers of players in pool and since anyone can win on a givin day it makes it hard to rank players sometimes. I heard a couple weeks ago that Larry Price was in bad health and was not even playing, must have been off a little.
 
Are you saying that "A" players should NOT be allowed to play Amateur tournaments?

I just heard that Larry Price won the "amateur" event at SBE. Is this the same Larry Price that won the banks division at Derby City in 2008. Kind of makes it impossible for us true amateurs to have a prayer..... Must have slipped under the Hopkins radar.

You could spend years trying to fish out "A" players out of nationally recognized amateur event. I believe they opened up the field to 1024 players. Going in, you have to expect that 25% of the field plays on an "A" level. I’m sure he didn’t skunk everyone he played or did he?
 
Larry Price is w/out a question NOT a professional pool player. He does not play pool for a living, as simple as that.

Of course, he is an extremely strong player, but that does not make you a professional.

He's also probably old enough to play in the seniors division, but won the amateur, so let's give him some credit.

i have known larry for about 25 years and yes...he does play pool for a living. he has won many open events as well as 2 bank division tournaments at dcc. but, if he met the criteria for being considered an amateur at this event he just won then there should be no questions. what was the criteria for the amateur event he just won?
 
No criteria listed

i have known larry for about 25 years and yes...he does play pool for a living. he has won many open events as well as 2 bank division tournaments at dcc. but, if he met the criteria for being considered an amateur at this event he just won then there should be no questions. what was the criteria for the amateur event he just won?

I looked on the website along with the entry form and there were no exclusions listed.
 
I had a friend of mine that played in a tournament as an amatuer golfer. We he wins the tourney and they asked him if he wanted to declare himself pro, so he could get the cash, or stay amatuer and get a fat gift certificate for his stellar play....
This has been a few years back but was wondering if they still offer that kinda of choice??

Big tourneys that bring in sponsors and the cream of the crop Pros also usually have lots of side betting gigs like closest to pins and putting contests (these will also have your amateur status pulled if you win and accept the prize)

Small example:

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/story?id=1578932


Example two:
New USGA Rule Makes Hole In One Winners Amateurs Again

As some of you may have heard, the USGA revised its rules regarding the loss of amateur status for hole in one contest winners this past summer. What you may not be aware of though are the intricacies of this new ruling. While it is indeed true that hole in one prize winners by and large no longer forfeit their amateur status, there are several instances in which making a hole in one and accepting a prize does in fact still make you a "professional" in the eyes of the USGA.

The key requirement found in the provision is the fact that in order to retain your amateur status, the hole in one must be made "while playing golf". Thus, if you were to make a hole in one during a shootout, at a driving range or in a simulator, accepting a prize for that ace would be grounds for status forfeiture. In addition, all putting contest and closest to the pin winners still lose their amateur status.

It should be noted, however, that the $750 prize limit still appies to all golf contests. If the hole in one prize that you accept is under that value, then there are no circumstances under which you would lose your amateur status.

While such technicalities don't affect many golfers, US Hole In One does frequently encounter hole in one contest winners who, as excellent amateur players, must weigh the costs of accepting the prize. And while these distinctions may seem unimportant, if you forfeit your status as an amateur golfer, you are no longer permitted to participate in amateur-only events such as club championships, member-guest outings, and many other golf tournaments.
 
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Didn't larry price beat chris bartram on a bar table playing even for a good sum? Lol! If that is the case then chris should be allowed to play. I work, so that means I am not a pro either. I should've been allowed to play also.
 
Question.

Didn't larry price beat chris bartram on a bar table playing even for a good sum? Lol! If that is the case then chris should be allowed to play. I work, so that means I am not a pro either. I should've been allowed to play also.

Donny, did either you or Chris attempt to enter the amatuer event? Just wonderin' if you or Chris were told that you weren't eligible and by who.

P.S. I wouldn't have minded either of you taking down the win nor do I disagree with Larry winning it either. Noone should be "banned" for working to gain their ability and noone's personal opinion should be the deciding factor in who can participate and who cannot. Come one, come all...how can any champion call themselves a champion if others were excluded?
 
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Nice Match Christian...

If pool paid out like golf or tennis, then you'd have several hundred more players with the status of "professional". But since pool's not that lucrative, you'll continue to see these guys playing in amatuer events. And if you win a bank pool event once or twice amongst a full field with the likes of all the top pro's, you should be considered a pro.

Funny but a couple years back, Kirkwood and company were playing a three man event in the APA. I've seen other open/pro caliber players in the APA, with manipulated rankings. Some at level 7 in 9 ball.
And $75 is not bad to play up to three sets in that forum.

Christian (Mr. One out of the cash again)

Hey Christian.....you beat me in the 3rd round at 8:00 a.m. on Friday morning. I made a couple of mistakes and you played better and deserved to win. What happened in your match with Craig McPartlin (boy that kid can really play!)? Did it go three sets? I really wanted to play him but you had to go and beat me didn't you:wink:

I just wanted to say it was a pleasure competing with you. But beware because next year I'll be playing more than 1.5 hours per week:)

Kind Regards,
Bob Guzik
 
This argument will never end, no matter who wins, someone who plays less than them will say they play too good to be an amateur! If the TD lets them in then shutup and play, or drop out and sit on the sideline and whine all day! There is no perfect criteria for this argument, because this sport consist of too many people who can play great for a short amount of time!(but have no shot playing real pro's)

Jeremy
 
Big tourneys that bring in sponsors and the cream of the crop Pros also usually have lots of side betting gigs like closest to pins and putting contests (these will also have your amateur status pulled if you win and accept the prize)

Small example:

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/story?id=1578932


Example two:
New USGA Rule Makes Hole In One Winners Amateurs Again

As some of you may have heard, the USGA revised its rules regarding the loss of amateur status for hole in one contest winners this past summer. What you may not be aware of though are the intricacies of this new ruling. While it is indeed true that hole in one prize winners by and large no longer forfeit their amateur status, there are several instances in which making a hole in one and accepting a prize does in fact still make you a "professional" in the eyes of the USGA.

The key requirement found in the provision is the fact that in order to retain your amateur status, the hole in one must be made "while playing golf". Thus, if you were to make a hole in one during a shootout, at a driving range or in a simulator, accepting a prize for that ace would be grounds for status forfeiture. In addition, all putting contest and closest to the pin winners still lose their amateur status.

It should be noted, however, that the $750 prize limit still appies to all golf contests. If the hole in one prize that you accept is under that value, then there are no circumstances under which you would lose your amateur status.

While such technicalities don't affect many golfers, US Hole In One does frequently encounter hole in one contest winners who, as excellent amateur players, must weigh the costs of accepting the prize. And while these distinctions may seem unimportant, if you forfeit your status as an amateur golfer, you are no longer permitted to participate in amateur-only events such as club championships, member-guest outings, and many other golf tournaments.

Just to expand upon your answer to tigerseye, I won a qualifying event and took up my place in a European PGA Seniors Tour event as an amateur two years ago. I had to waive my rights to prize money prior to teeing off in the Tour event. If I did not waive those rights in advance of the tournament starting I would have lost my amateur status.

Good decision.....would have won peanuts in that event and I'm nowhere near good enough anyway.

Incidentally, I caddied for Danny Lee on the European PGA Tour earlier this year but turned down the opportunity to travel to Australia for The Johnnie Walker which as you mentioned he duly won. I have a business of my own and too many clients to let down to take the 10 days off that would have been needed. I backed Danny at 80/1 with British bookies William Hill and pocketed a tidy return. He will not disgrace himself in The Masters either. This kid really is the next big thing and will quite possibly make Rory McIlroy look ordinary (and he's well over a year younger).

Comparisons with golf are really not appropriate in any case. Tens of millions of golfers will spend a lot of money to travel and play in amateur events for no prize money at all, only a trophy. The number of pool players prepared to do likewise would be very small. Pool is what it is.

Ps....I'm currently using an 8 degree Callaway Diablo that Danny gave me after the Abu Dhabi tour event. It's fitted with a $500 x-stiff tour shaft so not exactly ideal for an old codger like me. If I don't swing at it full tilt as hard as I can it turns into the world's longest putter....but I'm damned if I'm going to sell it! :smile:
 
This argument will never end, no matter who wins, someone who plays less than them will say they play too good to be an amateur! If the TD lets them in then shutup and play, or drop out and sit on the sideline and whine all day! There is no perfect criteria for this argument, because this sport consist of too many people who can play great for a short amount of time!(but have no shot playing real pro's)

Jeremy

It is not a matter of playing better or worse, it is a matter of who can compete and win at the next (pro) lvel but still being allowed to play at the amateur level. If this was the case just call this the OPEN event and I will not complain.

I will play I don't care who is allowed in because best of 3 sets to 5 single elimination is a crap shoot for anyone. Every year at this event someone sneaks in and everyone knows that the player is pro or just under pro speed. I don't even know all the players, but it is apparent that someone on the staff cannot do a little internet search to find out this info.

Even worse, friends of mine are not allowed to play but do not play as good as others in the field. Dragon Promotions list is pretty good from what I have seen.

If you think these players like Larry Price should be allowed to play in this amatuer event please send them to a viking or other regional amateur event and I bet you the TD will laugh if you try to get them in as an amateur.
 
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Just to expand upon your answer to tigerseye, I won a qualifying event and took up my place in a European PGA Seniors Tour event as an amateur two years ago. I had to waive my rights to prize money prior to teeing off in the Tour event. If I did not waive those rights in advance of the tournament starting I would have lost my amateur status.

Good decision.....would have won peanuts in that event and I'm nowhere near good enough anyway.

Incidentally, I caddied for Danny Lee on the European PGA Tour earlier this year but turned down the opportunity to travel to Australia for The Johnnie Walker which as you mentioned he duly won. I have a business of my own and too many clients to let down to take the 10 days off that would have been needed. I backed Danny at 80/1 with British bookies William Hill and pocketed a tidy return. He will not disgrace himself in The Masters either. This kid really is the next big thing and will quite possibly make Rory McIlroy look ordinary (and he's well over a year younger).

Comparisons with golf are really not appropriate in any case. Tens of millions of golfers will spend a lot of money to travel and play in amateur events for no prize money at all, only a trophy. The number of pool players prepared to do likewise would be very small. Pool is what it is.

Ps....I'm currently using an 8 degree Callaway Diablo that Danny gave me after the Abu Dhabi tour event. It's fitted with a $500 x-stiff tour shaft so not exactly ideal for an old codger like me. If I don't swing at it full tilt as hard as I can it turns into the world's longest putter....but I'm damned if I'm going to sell it! :smile:


which shaft....I may be able to send you an equally pricey shaft in a softer flex as a trade. Some X shafts work for me some don't (I'm right in between with my ss -116 - and medium tempo). :cool:
 
which shaft....I may be able to send you an equally pricey shaft in a softer flex as a trade. Some X shafts work for me some don't (I'm right in between with my ss -116 - and medium tempo). :cool:

Thanks but I've already got several offers locally from faster swingers than me to take the club and shaft or to take the shaft only or to swap similar to your suggestion so no point in me/you getting involved in shipment USA/UAE.

How daft am I?..........He also gave me the new FT9 back in January, long before it came out.....I promptly gave it to one of my best buddies who I owed a favour to. I swung with the FT9 at a manufacturers demo day at our club www.adgolfclub.com last week and loved it....now I'll have to buy one...duuuuh! :smile:
 
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It is not a matter of playing better or worse, it is a matter of who can compete and win at the next (pro) lvel but still being allowed to play at the amateur level. If this was the case just call this the OPEN event and I will not complain.

I will play I don't care who is allowed in because best of 3 sets to 5 single elimination is a crap shoot for anyone. Every year at this event someone sneaks in and everyone knows that the player is pro or just under pro speed. I don't even know all the players, but it is apparent that someone on the staff cannot do a little internet search to find out this info.

Even worse, friends of mine are not allowed to play but do not play as good as others in the field. Dragon Promotions list is pretty good from what I have seen.

If you think these players like Larry Price should be allowed to play in this amatuer event please send them to a viking or other regional amateur event and I bet you the TD will laugh if you try to get them in as an amateur.

It is not a big deal, I was just saying that the TD let them in, so play or don't play! And I still repeat that there is always gonna be an argument about where the line should be drawn!

Jeremy
 
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