You have to cut the OB (slightly) to the left, so I think right is outside (running) english on the CB.
I think you could say the OB has inside (braking) english on it with respect to the rail.
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You have to cut the OB (slightly) to the left, so I think right is outside (running) english on the CB.
I think you could say the OB has inside (braking) english on it with respect to the rail.
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Why go 3 rails if its VERY possible and much easier to make it 1 rail. Yea it may be possible to 3-rail it, but I would only do it if I had a problem ball in the way. For this shot...I would cross the OB's path with enough stun-draw/outside english to cross bank it and just walk the OB over to the side pocket, effectively. Give the english time to grab and give that cue ball enough time to get out of the way.
jsp...I disagree that this is a tough shot. I teach this "proposition" bank to players all the time. It is a very old shot (and has been gambled on for decades, at least), and was first shown to me by Hal Mix, about 30 years ago. Willie Jopling diagrammed this shot in one of his BD articles, in the late 80's or early 90's. It is pocketed very easily, using inside draw, and a soft stroke. The draw is what beats the double kiss. BTW, the OB is exactly one balls width out from the rail (it looks to me like sjm's wei diagram has the OB too close to the rail) on the diamond next to the side pocket, and the CB is on the spot. Most people who miss this shot, are shooting too hard. You cannot make the shot, trying to cross the OB.
Joel...I thought I showed you this shot, when I was there last month, with John.
Scott Lee
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Joel...I thought I showed you this shot, when I was there last month, with John.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Why is everyone having such difficulty determining what inside and outside English is?
soft draw with a lot of inside
Had to do it right away:smile: I don´t have my ordinary playing cue here right now at work so I used a housecue but I´m pretty sure that I have done this shot and even ended up to short. Yes the cue puts a enormous amount of english on the cb:smile: but in the same time it took a while to get used to it
and for thoose who want´s to know - Queperfect.
I just recently put up a table at work and I really appreciate it when you post stuff like this - so fun to try it out - thanks!
I will hopefully learn how to post pictures and stuff here so I also can share some stuff.
take care
Chrippa
Had to do it right away:smile: I don´t have my ordinary playing cue here right now at work so I used a housecue but I´m pretty sure that I have done this shot and even ended up to short. Yes the cue puts a enormous amount of english on the cb:smile: but in the same time it took a while to get used to it
and for thoose who want´s to know - Queperfect.I just recently put up a table at work and I really appreciate it when you post stuff like this - so fun to try it out - thanks!
I will hopefully learn how to post pictures and stuff here so I also can share some stuff.
take care
Chrippa
Thanks for all the help. I just would like to make sure I have it before I try and get frustrated because I am doing it incorrectly.
Low right if it is set up using sjm's picture. Stun speed. Shoot directly at the object ball. The cue ball does not go to the right after contact. It should essentailly stop. The object ball will go a little to the left and then bank in. Do I have this correct?
Low right if it is set up using sjm's picture. Stun speed. Shoot directly at the object ball. The cue ball does not go to the right after contact. It should essentailly stop. The object ball will go a little to the left and then bank in. Do I have this correct?
Yea, no $hit! wtf are they talking about...no L) spin here.
You can also bang the hell out of it and bounce the OB a tiny bit to miss the kiss, but that is surely option 2!
Correction. You need hi-draw here.
Because it's hard to describe the difference. Try it.
BTW, most people in this thread have it backwards - right spin on the CB is outside english with respect to the OB.
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And I agreed with you?!
I say R) is inside here. Toward the angle.:grin:
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This is it for sure!
With all due respect, you seem to be saying the world is flat. Please explain.
As others have pointed out, the shot is easy with low right (inside!). I just made it three times in a row, no practice. Thanks for the info.
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The CB cuts the OB to the left. That's the angle.
What angle are you talking about?
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Define inside.
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Dammit, Bob!
Toward the angle.
In the WEI, to the top of the pic is outside the angle, the bottom of the pic would be inside the angle:
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Now I see where the misunderstanding is. I am thinking of the angle created by the banking object ball. BTW, the ob here is hit straight on and the cue ball throws it to the left.
Not all the time just some times but that's another issue to deal with...SPF=randyg
I think that's the mistake most people here are making - whether the CB has inside or outside spin depends on the CB's impact with the OB.
Or the OB is cut a little to the left in addition to giving it some outside english. Either way, "the angle" is to the left.
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