Being a newbie without any credentials, I wouldn't have a bit of a problem if someone asked me to send payment/product first.
Did I overreact??
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I guess this is where I would like some clarification on the subject. I can totally see someone having a problem with that but that doesn't mean you should bash the person. Just simply say you are not interested in doing business.
Perhaps the topic creator can shine some light on what bashing took place.
Joe to me it is very simple when your born and when you die you only have one thing that is important and that is your name and along with your word. When you have to hide your name, it is because you have shown that your word in one way or another is no good.
For me everyone has a blank slate until they show through their actions that their word is worthless, however, after they do this they are a non-person to me. Because, once your word is no good there is only one way to fix it, and that is to go somewhere that no one knows your name and re-invent yourself. While doing things this way, will not correct or make past transgressions disappear, if you change your ways you will be excepted and you can build a new reputation for yourself. If you are discovered by your past, the way you have conducted yourself will a great effect on how you are perceived in the present.
If you choose to stay where you have shown that your word is no good, no matter how hard you try you will never be excepted, and in any questionable situation all eye's will be upon you.
In the end I suppose Life can certainly be a Female Dog!!!!!!!!!!!
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It seems like a lot of the people who have the most experience buying and selling here think find it totally normal to send a cue first in certain situations, so I might have to reconsider my original thoughts.
That said, I've always handled internet deals as the buyer pays, then the seller ships, no matter which side I'm on, and I'm still awfully uncomfortable with the idea of shipping a cue to someone I don't know before it's paid for. I think if I were asked to do that and I really wanted to make the deal, I'd probably say "I totally understand why you don't want to take all the risk, but I think you can see why I wouldn't want to, either." Then I'd probably suggest we split the risk involved -- he could send half of the money, I'd ship the cue, and he could send the other half if he's satisfied when he gets it. If he thinks I've been inaccurate in my description, I'd refund his money plus the cost of shipping it back to me as soon as I had it in my hands again.
Would you old pros be more ok with something like that? Obviously if the guy's been here for years, has a great iTrader record, and people seem to think highly of him (like TWOFORPOOL, who I've communicated with about a deal and seems like a real stand-up guy), I'd trust him until I had a reason to believe otherwise, and I'd ship him the cue. The original poster in this thread has only been here for 4 months himself, though, and that's a different situation for me.
Additionally, just to point out why I'd be cautious about such things, the member manwon is referring to has been on the forum for almost four years, his iTrader is completely positive, and his rep is "beyond repute." As a new guy, I wouldn't know about his past if I hadn't happened to trip over the posts about the original incidents.
To the OP, as a seller, I would have passed on the deal under your conditions, but that doesn't necessarily mean I think you overreacted. I'm pretty conscious of the fact that I don't have an AZB history for people to go on, and anyone else selling something is too. That said, keep in mind that you've been here a fairly short time yourself, and your potential seller might not be ready to trust you in the way he would a prominent veteran on the boards.
And whether your conditions were a little too strict or not, it sounds like he certainly overreacted. Again, I wouldn't make the deal, but I wouldn't get angry or insulting about it either -- you're trying to protect yourself, not hurt my feelings. While it really sucks to have a deal fall apart when you think it's already wrapped up, it's not personal for either of us. We're just trying to do good business. If you wanted to buy something I had for sale in the future, I'd probably consider the incident and your reliability, since it sounds like you agreed to his offer and then tried to change the terms, and you backed out when he said no, but I understand where you're coming from and there'd be no hard feelings or complaints about it.
If he's actually going to get angry and "bash" you, you probably didn't want to make the deal anyway.
That said, I've always handled internet deals as the buyer pays, then the seller ships, no matter which side I'm on, and I'm still awfully uncomfortable with the idea of shipping a cue to someone I don't know before it's paid for. I think if I were asked to do that and I really wanted to make the deal, I'd probably say "I totally understand why you don't want to take all the risk, but I think you can see why I wouldn't want to, either." Then I'd probably suggest we split the risk involved -- he could send half of the money, I'd ship the cue, and he could send the other half if he's satisfied when he gets it. If he thinks I've been inaccurate in my description, I'd refund his money plus the cost of shipping it back to me as soon as I had it in my hands again.
Would you old pros be more ok with something like that? Obviously if the guy's been here for years, has a great iTrader record, and people seem to think highly of him (like TWOFORPOOL, who I've communicated with about a deal and seems like a real stand-up guy), I'd trust him until I had a reason to believe otherwise, and I'd ship him the cue. The original poster in this thread has only been here for 4 months himself, though, and that's a different situation for me.
Additionally, just to point out why I'd be cautious about such things, the member manwon is referring to has been on the forum for almost four years, his iTrader is completely positive, and his rep is "beyond repute." As a new guy, I wouldn't know about his past if I hadn't happened to trip over the posts about the original incidents.
To the OP, as a seller, I would have passed on the deal under your conditions, but that doesn't necessarily mean I think you overreacted. I'm pretty conscious of the fact that I don't have an AZB history for people to go on, and anyone else selling something is too. That said, keep in mind that you've been here a fairly short time yourself, and your potential seller might not be ready to trust you in the way he would a prominent veteran on the boards.
And whether your conditions were a little too strict or not, it sounds like he certainly overreacted. Again, I wouldn't make the deal, but I wouldn't get angry or insulting about it either -- you're trying to protect yourself, not hurt my feelings. While it really sucks to have a deal fall apart when you think it's already wrapped up, it's not personal for either of us. We're just trying to do good business. If you wanted to buy something I had for sale in the future, I'd probably consider the incident and your reliability, since it sounds like you agreed to his offer and then tried to change the terms, and you backed out when he said no, but I understand where you're coming from and there'd be no hard feelings or complaints about it.
If he's actually going to get angry and "bash" you, you probably didn't want to make the deal anyway.
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I think you acted properly and as I would have.
The seller was out of line bashing you.
Move on let them try to develop a good rep on here by doing deals like that........ won't happen!!!
Russ.....
The seller was out of line bashing you.
Move on let them try to develop a good rep on here by doing deals like that........ won't happen!!!
Russ.....
I think I was typing practically the same thing as this went up. Good post.
Well if you ever need another cue in that price range, Please contact me.
We have already done our previous mega deal, :wink:
so I guess we can trust each other.
I realize im not an old veteren on here, but I have been pretty active since I have joined. I think I had 20 posts and an iTrader in my first week! lol! I love AZ, and in no way would I ever take a chance at ruining my rep on here, even if that means I have to lose some cash, thats how business is. With that said, I didnt back out of a deal at all, I offered him a price, he accepted, I told him my terms, he freaked out, told me where to go, and hasnt responded to my pm's. So how does that make me the one who backed out? Ive got the crispy c-note sitting there in my wallet for they guy! I was open to further discussion, he freaked out on me and disappeared. I thought I may have been too strict in my conditions, I did not say I bailed out on him. Jeez man, read the post.
Joe
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Well if you ever need another cue in that price range, Please contact me.
We have already done our previous mega deal, :wink:
hehe, that was more than a mega deal, you sir are a lifesaver! I have yet to find anyone else that has what I bought from you, regardless of how little they cost! I will certainly keep you in mind. Actually I have seen those full splice veneered cues you have, and those look good for as cheap as they are. Thanks rackem.
Joe
I would gladly share what was said, however the p in pm stands for private
, and it is not right to air that out. It was nothin real bad, just a bad attitude and a lame remark. I feel that I could have handled it better, but this guy has no rep, no itrader, and 9 posts, so I just cant throw my money down. On the other hand, I just bought a cue from another member and promptly sent the cash, because he has good iTrader, 700 posts, max green rep, etc. Im just using the system as it is intended.Joe
Please I perfer the word "inexpensive" :grin:
They are real veneers but they are not full splice.:smilewinkgrin:
you did the right thing. this guy's an unknown and you're fairly known on here to be trustworthy. he shouldered less risk in a way
It's really easy. If you are the newbie then you are the one that has to extend trust to the established members so that they can see that you deliver what you describe. Once you have done many deals where you had to go on a limb then you will have earned trust and people will then feel alright sending you the money first.
I don't understand why you say it's not worth it when dealing with a high end cue? If you build in the fees for escrow then you can offer it and it's win/win for both sides. I personally feel that all high end cues should go through escrow and both parties should pay half the fees equally.