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Well, here's the story:

Somewhere around 10 years ago, before the turn of the century (probably more that this point) I was making Custom Guitars and playing a lot of pool. As such, I was working with a lot of wood and very interested in cues in general.

Over the years, I have met a few makers and players and one of them was Burton Spain.

I purchased his book "Making Blanks" (which I can't find now- quite annoying) and with that in hand, proceeded to do so, with the limited equipment I had. well, I had a LOT of equipment; however none of it was really for making cues. You get the idea.:wink:

Anyway, I glued up a full-splice blank with a straight-grain maple forearm and purpleheart butt. I added a single veneer of Walnut just because I had it lying around.

This thing was a mess. It literally looked like a train wreck! But it was strong, and it was mine. My first cue attempt, and first full splice attempt. Basically, I jumped into the deep end!

The blank was turned by a well-known cue maker, but I will not mention him as he probably doesn't want to be in any way associated with this cue. But, he did me a great favor by turning this monstrrosity into a manageable blank. I will likley show him the finished product and let him decide if he want's anything to do with it! Rest asured, he has thrown out far nicer examples of his own work that was not up to his standards...

I then worked with another 'hobby' cue maker (who actually has done some nice work) and added a joint pin and collar as wel as extend the butt a bit with a tennoned purple heart scrap. (I play a 59" cue and there was no way this would have worked at that length!)

Then it sat in my basement, forgotten for close to (if not more than) 10 years, along with a bunch of neck blanks and wood working equipment from the now defunct guitar business...

In the clean up to get ready to move, I stumbled across it again. To my suprise and amazement, it was quite straight! It has not seen anything resembling care for a decade, and it was straight. I felt I had to complete this one cue, even if I never make another cue again in my life.

So, over the last several weeks, I have been woprking on it. I should have taken more photos, but I am just eager to get it finally finished.

I threw it on the long lathe here at work, and tapered the butt. It did/does have some run-out at the base of the splice, but it is not horrible for having no idea what the hell I'm doing. I couldn't turn it all out, so there will always be a slight 'hop' there in the middle. The points are not even, but they are reasonably sharp. About 1/4 inch between the highest and lowest I'd say.

After the tapering was more or less done, I made a white delrin butt cap. We have white and black delrin scrap, so those were frebies. I just had to make them.

I decided a black ring at the butt cap would be nice, so I cut one of those too. I cut a .900 tenon (larger than normal) for the ring and butt sleeve and epoxied them on with West System of course. (Good stuff I used to use for guitars too)

Then I cut those as well as a wrap groove. The bottom of the points are messy, so I had to hide them under the wrap. I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that, but this is too embarassing to show!

I encapsolated the cue in West System to add the 'hard candy shell' and fill the wood pores. I then sanded it smooth and last night I sprayed some clear on it.

That brings me to now, and my question:

What wrap to put on it? I will get some linen from Prathers and I have narrowed it down to four choices (please see their site for samples):
Antique
Black/Brown
White/Brown
White/Light Green

My old Black and Howard have the classic white/light green (the Black has the REALLY old 'fine' stuff I love) but I thought it might be nice to try and bring out the brown veneer a bit, or just brighten it up overall.

What do you guys think?
 

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No Rush

Well, here's the story:

Somewhere around 10 years ago, before the turn of the century (probably more that this point) I was making Custom Guitars and playing a lot of pool. As such, I was working with a lot of wood and very interested in cues in general.

Over the years, I have met a few makers and players and one of them was Burton Spain.

I purchased his book "Making Blanks" (which I can't find now- quite annoying) and with that in hand, proceeded to do so, with the limited equipment I had. well, I had a LOT of equipment; however none of it was really for making cues. You get the idea.:wink:

Anyway, I glued up a full-splice blank with a straight-grain maple forearm and purpleheart butt. I added a single veneer of Walnut just because I had it lying around.

This thing was a mess. It literally looked like a train wreck! But it was strong, and it was mine. My first cue attempt, and first full splice attempt. Basically, I jumped into the deep end!

The blank was turned by a well-known cue maker, but I will not mention him as he probably doesn't want to be in any way associated with this cue. But, he did me a great favor by turning this monstrrosity into a manageable blank. I will likley show him the finished product and let him decide if he want's anything to do with it! Rest asured, he has thrown out far nicer examples of his own work that was not up to his standards...

I then worked with another 'hobby' cue maker (who actually has done some nice work) and added a joint pin and collar as wel as extend the butt a bit with a tennoned purple heart scrap. (I play a 59" cue and there was no way this would have worked at that length!)

Then it sat in my basement, forgotten for close to (if not more than) 10 years, along with a bunch of neck blanks and wood working equipment from the now defunct guitar business...

In the clean up to get ready to move, I stumbled across it again. To my suprise and amazement, it was quite straight! It has not seen anything resembling care for a decade, and it was straight. I felt I had to complete this one cue, even if I never make another cue again in my life.

So, over the last several weeks, I have been woprking on it. I should have taken more photos, but I am just eager to get it finally finished.

I threw it on the long lathe here at work, and tapered the butt. It did/does have some run-out at the base of the splice, but it is not horrible for having no idea what the hell I'm doing. I couldn't turn it all out, so there will always be a slight 'hop' there in the middle. The points are not even, but they are reasonably sharp. About 1/4 inch between the highest and lowest I'd say.

After the tapering was more or less done, I made a white delrin butt cap. We have white and black delrin scrap, so those were frebies. I just had to make them.

I decided a black ring at the butt cap would be nice, so I cut one of those too. I cut a .900 tenon (larger than normal) for the ring and butt sleeve and epoxied them on with West System of course. (Good stuff I used to use for guitars too)

Then I cut those as well as a wrap groove. The bottom of the points are messy, so I had to hide them under the wrap. I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that, but this is too embarassing to show!

I encapsolated the cue in West System to add the 'hard candy shell' and fill the wood pores. I then sanded it smooth and last night I sprayed some clear on it.

That brings me to now, and my question:

What wrap to put on it? I will get some linen from Prathers and I have narrowed it down to four choices (please see their site for samples):
Antique
Black/Brown
White/Brown
White/Light Green

My old Black and Howard have the classic white/light green (the Black has the REALLY old 'fine' stuff I love) but I thought it might be nice to try and bring out the brown veneer a bit, or just brighten it up overall.

What do you guys think?

I wouldn't make a snap decision on this, what's another couple of years?:D
 
FWIW, I came to this thread looking for a laugh. I thought your cue looked a whole lot nicer than your story led up to.
 
To be serious, I do dnot think brown looks good in a purpleheart cue. I would go with all black or the traditional cream w/green specs.

Just my 2 cents. That must have been a fun project and congrats.

Dave
 
FWIW, I came to this thread looking for a laugh. I thought your cue looked a whole lot nicer than your story led up to.

Well, thanks, but if you saw it in person, you might change your tune!

It still needs to be sanded and buffed, but this is more-or-less the final product.

Fortunately, it hits well, because if it didn't, you'd never have known I made it!
 
To be serious, I do dnot think brown looks good in a purpleheart cue. I would go with all black or the traditional cream w/green specs.

Just my 2 cents. That must have been a fun project and congrats.

Dave

I hear 'ya and this is why I am asking fo opinions. I have always liked the lighter wraps, particularly the old fine linen wrap you can't get any longer, but I was thinking something different might be good for a change. White/brown, as opposed to black/brown might be better than the old white/light green. But, that 'antique' which looks almost pure white, with very light tan or yellow fleck might be interesting. The Butt cap is white delrin and when/if I ever make shafts those will be ivory ferrules, so that might be a nice option...

But, I will take the black/brown off the list!

New list:
white/light green
white/brown
Antique

Getting warmer!

PS it was/is a fun project, and I may make some more cues in the future. I will likley not make my own butt blanks at first (although I have picked up quite a few tips since I made this blank that will improve quality) but you never know...

At least it plays well!
 
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I hear 'ya and this is why I am asking fo opinions. I have always liked the lighter wraps, particularly the old fine linen wrap you can't get any longer, but I was thinking something different might be good for a change. White/brown, as opposed to black/brown might be better than the old white/light green. But, that 'antique' which looks almost pure white, with very light tan or yellow fleck might be interesting. The Butt cap is white delrin and when/if I ever make shafts those will be ivory ferrules, so that might be a nice option...

But, I will take the black/brown off the list!

New list:
white/light green
white/brown
Antique

Getting warmer!

PS it was/is a fun project, and I may make some more cues in the future. I will likley not make my own butt blanks at first (although I have picked up quite a few tips since I made this blank that will improve quality) but you never know...

At least it plays well!

Contact Jerry/Joe at Pechauer Cues about getting some Cortland Linen for it. I bought a few wraps worth a few years ago from them.
 
Contact Jerry/Joe at Pechauer Cues about getting some Cortland Linen for it. I bought a few wraps worth a few years ago from them.

He has the OLD stuff!?! That's fantastic! But honestly, it would be wasted on this cue... That's for an old Gus or something like that I think... Or at least a Titlist conversion! Good info however... Thanks!:thumbup:
 
Hope my first one looks that nice. I like the white with green specks myself.

Larry

Well, I had a good amount of help, and I also assumed it wouldn't be useful at all.

Note the plain maple forearm. I was making guitars at the time and had TONS of curly, fiddleback and bird's eye maple available, but thought it would be safer to stick with some nice clear 1/4 sawn neck wood. So, that's what I did. Plus, it stayed straight after 10 years of neglect...

The Purpleheart was left over from making an electric lap dulcimer. The first commercially made one in the world to my knowledge by the way- so that wood was 'free'. The Walnut veneer I used when gluing up neck blanks- getting 1/4 sawn wide and straight grained enough to make a bass neck is all but impossible; so we did one better and laminated three select pieces with the Walnut veneer in between to make a pair of 'pinstripes' down the back of the neck. After gluing, those would rest for a few months and then get more machine time- but that's another story.

The best advice I can give you is to NOT RUSH any part of cue construction. Waiting 10 years may be excessive wait time, but once you glue up a set of prongs, don't immediately go after it the following day. Let it selttle for a while and then make a cut. Then wait. etc. The tendency is to get it done to see the results, but you can't rush it (and expect anything good to come of it).

Other than that, the rest of cue making is easy...:wink:

PS I like the white with green too, but was hoping for something a bit different this time...
 
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Finish is done...

Her's some up-dated pictures for you guys.

Finish was sanded to 1000 and allowed to cure that way for four days to fully cure after i cut the 'skin' off the top...

Then this morning I buffed it out-

3M perfect-it II (fine)
3M Inperial Hand Glaze

Both applied by hand.
 

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Keep posting. I need insperation. Just got my lathe expanded to where I think I can make a cue. Now it looks like I have to go back to work for awhile. Witch is good since I don't have any money for cue parts right now. decide on a wrape yet?

Larry
 
Thanks!

I placed a couple orders yesterday...

Linen white/green; white/brown; and Antique from Prather. It's $7 per cue, so I got a few to choose from, so I can make the choice 'live'...

Also shaft inserts (need shafts!) 5/16-14 rod (for making mandrels) and Triangle tips.

From Barringer, I ordered near complete shafts (I can't realistically taper shafts yet, I'd get my raw wood from him anyway, and his pricing is good)
Black shaft collars, Ivory ferrules, concave live center (I NEED THIS!!) and a drive set.

I also trolled the net for opinions on doing wraps, and I think I have a handle on it. No linen press- I might make one myself, or see if I can find a used one.

Couldn't find canning wax at the grocery store either- should be easy enough to find; in the mean time I have some nice clear wax from some candles at home that Will work for now (same thing).

Stay tuned!:)
 
Another up-date...

Last night I took it out to the local pool room. I don't have a shaft for it yet, so I used my bar cue shaft (13.25mm Joss East shaft, standard length, stock tip and ferrule) and I think I did good. No wrap yet either, but it still felt OK.

Playing was very nice; easy control of the ball.

The sound: The sound is right. You know what I mean. No buzzes of course, but when you stroke the ball well you get that sound. I'm sure 90+% of the members here know exactly what I'm talking about. And this is a stock Joss shaft and tip- I don't even know what it is! It sounds a lot like my old Black (that that is Ivory ferrules and Trianglke tip).

BUT, the best sound, the most impressive sound, is on the break. I broke a few 9-ball racks with it and... and...

Bouunk-CRACK.

You know exactly what I'm trying to say with non-words here. Quite a few heads turned around to see what was rattling the earth behind them. OH MY GOD this thing breaks nice.

Too bad it doesn't look pretty. Maybe the nest one will...:)
 
Wrap can be a difficult choice since it really comes down to personal preference and what suits the cue well... I personally like a lot of contrast, have you considered white/black spec? The deepness of the brown with a white/brown wrap would seem a bit subdued, with a white/green wrap would seem a bit out of place with the richness of the current brown. Cortland seems to look best, IMHO, but you've already ruled out that choice due to cost and waste. White/black seem to suit the current color scheme and gives a bright contrast. I think a solid black would work well also or a two-tone solid white on the forward and back sections with solid black in the middle would be nice.
 
Hmmm... Two-tone sounds interesting!

I have on the way some white/lt. green; white/brown; and antique, which I guess is white/natural.

I think the white/natural with black/white might look realy nice!

Next cue perhaps...:)
 
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