Getting an extra break gambling one pocket

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kryptonite9

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You are playing one pocket for x amount per game. If you get the first break, do you think it is ok to quit a loser after losing a game on your break? In effect the player quitting is getting an extra break.

Example:

After 6 games you are even. Your opponent breaks and loses. You are now to break and the guy is 1 game stuck, with you having a big advantage to be a 2 game winner. He pulls up.

I have always given an equal number of breaks if I was breaking first, allowing the other player an equal breaking advantage. I have already quit without getting my break, but I think it is a little suspect to quit getting the extra break.

I think most people will say that the guy can quit stuck anytime he wants, but the above is like spotting a break to the guy you are gambling with.

Another piece of gambling etiquette to discuss that I have not seen here.
What does everyone think?
 
Well if you quit loser you can do what you want as far as I am concerned. If the game is even then both people had to have had an equal amount of breaks. If I wanna quit 1 game stuck and had an extra break you just have to take the cash and be happy we played, thats the best I can think of.
 
kryptonite9 said:
You are playing one pocket for x amount per game. If you get the first break, do you think it is ok to quit a loser after losing a game on your break? In effect the player quitting is getting an extra break.

Example:

After 6 games you are even. Your opponent breaks and loses. You are now to break and the guy is 1 game stuck, with you having a big advantage to be a 2 game winner. He pulls up.

I have always given an equal number of breaks if I was breaking first, allowing the other player an equal breaking advantage. I have already quit without getting my break, but I think it is a little suspect to quit getting the extra break.

I think most people will say that the guy can quit stuck anytime he wants, but the above is like spotting a break to the guy you are gambling with.

Another piece of gambling etiquette to discuss that I have not seen here.
What does everyone think?
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If you agree to a certain number of breaks before hand then that is what you play to. if the person is stuck one game and quits - I don't see a problem with that.

BVal
 
Is anyone else having a problem understanding this post?

I can't seem to link a player quitting when he is already stuck to having an "extra break".

Even if you post up x amount to indicate you aren't going to air barrel anyone, you can still quit anytime your a 'loser'

Is the original poster (kryptonite9) trying to say there should be at least ONE MORE GAME, before the loser quits? That just because you alternate the break in one pocket that means you can't quit a loser until you've lost at least two games?

Just trying to understand..
 
Tom In Cincy said:
Is anyone else having a problem understanding this post?

I can't seem to link a player quitting when he is already stuck to having an "extra break".

Even if you post up x amount to indicate you aren't going to air barrel anyone, you can still quit anytime your a 'loser'

Is the original poster (kryptonite9) trying to say there should be at least ONE MORE GAME, before the loser quits? That just because you alternate the break in one pocket that means you can't quit a loser until you've lost at least two games?

Just trying to understand..
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I had trouble but threw out an answer anyways lol

BVal
 
The guy who is losing can quit any time he/she wants, period. Furthermore, when gambling let's say $50 a game 1 pocket, if it's a close game and the guy just beat you on your own break, why would you want to play for another $50 on his break? It's like throwing good money after bad.
Now, if your playing for funsies, it's different. But gambling with real money, I say cut your losses and maximize your gains. JMHO;)
 
quiting

androd said:
tucson9ball said:
The guy who is losing can quit any time he/she wants, period.

Also, the guy who is winning can quit any time he/she wants, period.
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The person that fires one barrel and wins, and then quits, doesn't get any action from me again. On the other hand, nobody should be expected to play forever just because they are ahead.
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Tom In Cincy said:
Is anyone else having a problem understanding this post?

I can't seem to link a player quitting when he is already stuck to having an "extra break".

Even if you post up x amount to indicate you aren't going to air barrel anyone, you can still quit anytime your a 'loser'

Is the original poster (kryptonite9) trying to say there should be at least ONE MORE GAME, before the loser quits? That just because you alternate the break in one pocket that means you can't quit a loser until you've lost at least two games?

Just trying to understand..
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I think what he's getting at, is in onepocket, getting the break is considered a advantage for the breaker. Therefore, if he's a one game winner, the guy quitting is doing so when it's the other guy's break, which means he is counting on that advantage to go 2 up on the guy.

Effectively the loser quitting, is taking a "spot" away from the other guy.

Having said that, a loser can quit anytime, in my book. Now quitting winner, is a whole nutha' thread... which has already been discussed many times already.
 
you are ducking out and nobody really sees it as wrong

Although it is a little tough to read in places CaliRed has it absolutely right. You are ducking out at a convenient time for yourself, ducking out of a final game that the other player is the favorite to win. (given that you are already in the hole and he is breaking)

Oddly enough, nobody is upset about this even if the other player hasn't had as many breaks as you have. People with your cash in their pocket are much more tolerant than people whose cash is in your pocket! :D :D :D

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kryptonite9 said:
You are playing one pocket for x amount per game. If you get the first break, do you think it is ok to quit a loser after losing a game on your break? In effect the player quitting is getting an extra break.

Example:

After 6 games you are even. Your opponent breaks and loses. You are now to break and the guy is 1 game stuck, with you having a big advantage to be a 2 game winner. He pulls up.

I have always given an equal number of breaks if I was breaking first, allowing the other player an equal breaking advantage. I have already quit without getting my break, but I think it is a little suspect to quit getting the extra break.

I think most people will say that the guy can quit stuck anytime he wants, but the above is like spotting a break to the guy you are gambling with.

Another piece of gambling etiquette to discuss that I have not seen here.
What does everyone think?
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When a player is down in a gambling match, he/she reserves the right to stop gambling at any time between games unless the match is a freeze out, in which case, he/she can quit but forfeits the dough.

If a predetermined number of games was agreed apon, that number of games should be played. If a player stops before the predetermined number of games is played, it is considered bad gambling etiquette and that player should be horsewhipped.
 
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Only on AZB can you see this - you played a guy 7 full games of 1 pocket, took money off of him, and then basically post to call the guy a nit. Unreal.
 
the custom is you can quit whenever you are behind for whatever reason.
you can also quit when winning except most people get mad if you do as they would rather lose all they got.
but sometimes you are ahead and see the game isnt so good or you want to quit for personal reasons. so i like to give them a few games notice. this way they are not as mad and will still be steaming and play bad kn owing you are quitting winners and you get to win a few more.
 
CreeDo said:
Only on AZB can you see this - you played a guy 7 full games of 1 pocket, took money off of him, and then basically post to call the guy a nit. Unreal.
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Actually this is not even the scenerio that I played in. I don't have a problem with anyone quitting in this situation and I never called anyone a nit.

Playing the extra game is something that I DO, not expect anyone else to do. The situation was hypothetical. I just wanted to know what people think.

I have always looked at this this way:

First time you play, flip for break, Player A wins the break. He breaks 5 times, you break 4. You win 1 game and he quits.

Next time you paly, fip for break, Player A wins the break. He breaks 5 times, you break 4. He wins 1 game and you quit.

You are even but you spotted him two breaks (10 - 8). Repeat the above
a few times and you are giving a pretty big spot in hiding.
 
DRW said:
The person that fires one barrel and wins, and then quits, doesn't get any action from me again. On the other hand, nobody should be expected to play forever just because they are ahead.
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I don't understand why either one would want to quit, I was just saying, unless there is a contract, anyone can quit at anytime. they're no unwritten obligations.
 
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I get the idea, but you're looking at the wrong way. You can blame the timing of his quitting (which wasn't unfair to you in any way, as he gave you plenty of action and has a right to quit when he wants).

Or you could blame the coin flip and call it bad luck. The coin is responsible for giving him 1 'extra' break.

Another way of looking at it is from his perspective: People say the break is worth 3 balls. If he lets you have one more break (rather than quitting after losing on his own break) then he is spotting you 3 balls during the next game. What sane player would do that?

I like how you boosted it from 1 set to 2. Why not just say 50 sets and say he got an unfair 50 game edge on you =)
 
Quitting

unless otherwise stipulated, a player losing can quit at anytime, BUT
when I gamble in a matchup, I always stipulate there has to be a 3 game
or 2 set notice before my opponent can quit, and that applies to me as well.

That takes care of the quick pullup, and also gives the losing player a chance
to at least get some of the money back before quitting. It also prevents the 1 and done winner pullups.
 
kryptonite9 said:
Actually this is not even the scenerio that I played in. I don't have a problem with anyone quitting in this situation and I never called anyone a nit.

Playing the extra game is something that I DO, not expect anyone else to do. The situation was hypothetical. I just wanted to know what people think.

I have always looked at this this way:

First time you play, flip for break, Player A wins the break. He breaks 5 times, you break 4. You win 1 game and he quits.

Next time you paly, fip for break, Player A wins the break. He breaks 5 times, you break 4. He wins 1 game and you quit.

You are even but you spotted him two breaks (10 - 8). Repeat the above
a few times and you are giving a pretty big spot in hiding.
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I'm trying to read a lil between the lines here, is this other guy somebody who hangs out in the same pool hall as you do regularly? If so, there is a simple solution, next time you play, tell him that you get the first break. More than likely if you get him stuck 1 game, he will want to break because he has the advantage. This way you get the chance to stick him for 2 games. ;)
 
tucson9ball said:
I'm trying to read a lil between the lines here, is this other guy somebody who hangs out in the same pool hall as you do regularly? If so, there is a simple solution, next time you play, tell him that you get the first break. More than likely if you get him stuck 1 game, he will want to break because he has the advantage. This way you get the chance to stick him for 2 games. ;)
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This is what I would do. Like I said this was not a situation that I was in. I just made it up. If it is not a regular who I played all the time. I would doubt that someone would remember who broke last the last time they played.

The situation I was asking about is something that I always make sure I do. I usually do not get involved in the quitting a winner/loser argument because I agree that if there is no pre-agreement you can quit at any time no matter the game/set/bet.

That being said, since 1 pocket greatly favors the breaker. I always extend the game to make sure that my opponent and I have the same number of breaks. Unless I want to forfeit my break.

The consenus seems to be this is unnecessary. Maybe I am just too nice of a guy. ;)
 
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