Since you asked

Lots of things about this event suck. For starters, if I ever do do an invitational or a seeded affair, the meeting(s) to decide who gets what would be recorded and available to anybody. Next, am I the only one who finds it smelly that Jasmin advanced with a two and three record last year? I would have a panel of real experts to do the invites and I would make sure that I got no preferencial treatment.
This thing stinks to high heaven in many ways and I'm saddened that more cue sports lovers aren't really angry.
If I had to, and honestly, what's the point here, I can prove that I was badly discriminated against.

I just had a great idea for the action boys. Grady vs Jasmin in 14.1 to 500 for some serious cash.
 
In 25 years, if the reigning Norwegian pool organization basically says "Pffft what have you done for pool in Norway?... your not invited to our party" would you not feel offended? I guarantee you that Grady has done as much for pool in the USA as you have done in Norway.

If Norway ever choose to make their Norwegian Championships only open for qualifiers (based on ranking) and a few wildcards, I can promise you that I will never, never demand that I should be invited to play based on what I have done, because almost nothing what I have done has been as a player, so it's really not relevant...

I can also guarantee you that if I had won as many Norwegian Champioships as for example Line Kjorsvik (20+), I still wouldn't feel that I should automatically receive a spot just based on what I did many moons ago.

Another thing is that I only worked (voluntarily for most part, btw) for Norwegian pool for about 2 years, then I quit. The last years I have done nothing for pool except playing and trying to be competative myself. I chose to do this because I grow tired of all the whining in pool in general, both regional, national and international...

But that's food for another topic, but I can sence some of the whining in this and other threads though...
 
Note to Manwon - you must not read the 'pool' threads much on here. If you did, you would have a different impression of Roy S. Take some time and review his posts before you throw anymore stones. And now that he has posted some of what he has done in the pool world, you owe him an apology.

yeah right :p

Roy,
I had no idea you were so accomplished in the pool world. Congrats, at such a young age.

My retort didn't give you near enough credit. I only outlined the fact that you gave good perspective from another continent and contributed 10-fold to the forum.

That being said, it shouldn't matter if you have done all of those things or none of those things. Your opinion is just as good as anyone elses regardless of who you are.

By they way, who you like in the Frost/SVB match? :thumbup:

It really depends on who Uwate decides to choose... :thumbup:

I know this is a Grady thread but Roy seems tobe taking a little heat here. The biggest problem with Roy that everyone seems to be overlooking is That he is still a big supporter of the Euro Team atthe Mosconi Cup and just can't keep his mouth closed on the subject. Roy you really need to begin supporting the USA, the last few years the USA Team have gone easy on the Euro Team because they wanted it not to become boring with the USA winning every year. I Think youare going to be dissapointed this year. I would loveto sit next to you this year in Vegas if you are planning on going, I just want to say I told you so :) Thats all.

Unless I win the lottery you will not see me there, but I promise you that I will be present in every possible Mosconi-thread here on AZ ;)

Maybe next year, when back in Europe, I will be there. Hopefully we can share some beers then, and root for the best team together:thumbup:

Roy,
Yes, I do believe that Daryl Peach and every other previous winner of the World 9 Ball Championship should be invited in all the future W9BC's. It works just great at the U.S. Open and nobody complains. In fact, one of the nice things about that format is the fans get to see the history makers against the current crop.

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By the way, Grady's "specialty" is One Pocket. However, let it be known that in 14.1 his high run, with witnesses is 326. Has Charlie Williams run half of that?

Ok, we just happen to disagree. I believe that World Championships should consist of the players who are best in the world right NOW. (So that means that I don't believe that for example Shanelle Loraine should receive an invite for the WC 14-1 either)

Btw: If highest run is a criteria to get to play the world championship, Germanys Klaus Zobrekis has a higher run than Grady, he has never received an invitation for the WC 14-1 either.

Also I don't see why it would matter if Charlie Williams has run more than half of Grady. The point is that Charlie is finishing high in pro tournaments these days, so he deserves a spot.

Is that all?? Quit stallin' and do something! :thumbup:

Not bad for a young'un. Except you never played me yet. I think you ducked me in the PI when I wanted to play some One Hole or Banks. You resorted to making multiple side bets with me and winning nearly every one. Dammit! I just can't seem to pick a winner with you.

Interesting fact Roy, when I was your age (28) I owned my first poolroom in Bakersfield. The Cue Ball also had 22 tables and many players said it was the best poolroom on the West Coast (in the 70's). I played everybody that walked in the door back then, and even beat a few of them. :rolleyes:

My first pool tournament was in 1972 at the Stardust. I made the money (top 24) in One Pocket. My best match was defeating Jimmy Fusco, the reigning Eastern States champion. I got Lisciotti too in that one. I can't play a lick anymore and no one invites me to anything except dinner. :confused:

I promise to play you as much one-pocket and bank-pool you want, when your new-born-baby becomes mother herself ;)

Lots of things about this event suck. For starters, if I ever do do an invitational or a seeded affair, the meeting(s) to decide who gets what would be recorded and available to anybody. Next, am I the only one who finds it smelly that Jasmin advanced with a two and three record last year? I would have a panel of real experts to do the invites and I would make sure that I got no preferencial treatment.
This thing stinks to high heaven in many ways and I'm saddened that more cue sports lovers aren't really angry.
If I had to, and honestly, what's the point here, I can prove that I was badly discriminated against.

I don't find it smelly at all that Jasmin advanced with a two and three record.

If you do know your math (which I think you do since you have organized tournaments, gambled high and are now running a poolhall yourself) it is just to calculate the scores and see that her's was just enough to squeeze by to the last round, just as it was for Ronato Alcano when he was seeded as nr 64 after the round robin in the 2006 World Championship. (As a side-note Roberto Gomez was seeded #1 and lost this match. Gomez has only lost against two players in the World 9-ball Championships, and that's the two last champions).
 
Good post Shawn, especially about how every tournament should be an open entry. I like that idea a lot and I'd bet that most every else does as well. As JB mentioned, it's not 'fair" to invite far less accomplished players and then pick and chose who gets an invite or not.

But like you said, the promoters and orginizers do have that right. It just leaves a bad taste to see politics preventing the best show possible for the fans.


I like many others would love to see an open event. I think all of this this is politics due to the event being called the "World Championship" instead of ________ 14.1 event. "World Championship" and "invitational" in the same sentence is an oxymoron. Or at least regional open qualifiers with winners invited. The way it is right now, if I choose to have hold an 8 man tournament and call it a "world championship" at a local bar, what gives the winner credibility? The audience and pool community. That is why I think Grady should back up and let the community fight for him. Someone earlier stated that if other players banded together in support of him and boycott the event things would change. I think this is very true. Unfortunately, I don't think this would happen since most pros have a hard enough time trying to make a living at this sport without missing out on whatever money may come in such an event, even if it is invitational only.
 
So because I am an amateur player I have no right to voice my opinions?

I don't understand why it is so important for you to know what I have done for pro-billiards or AZ Billiards, but I'll give it a shot.

I have been vice-president of the Norwegian Pool Federation.

I have been national-coach for the Norwegian Youth Team. Been their manager on the European Youth Championship in Ukraine. I have been manager of the Norwegian Men and Women when playing in Brandenburg, Germany and in Chezk Republic.

I have owned Norway's biggest poolhall, the ElbowRoom, with 22 Brunswick Gold Crown IV. A room that Mika Immonen, Oliver Ortmann, Niels Feijen and Tony Drago, to name a few, called one of the most beautiful poolrooms they have ever been in.

I have put on the Norwgian 9-ball Challenge, first time won by Mika Immonen 9-4 over Oliver Ortmann ($ 10,000 in first pice). This tournament was aired live on Norwegian TV btw, and available on ppv on internet through the website of the Norwegian tv-channel. 28 matches were also sent live on betandwin.com, so people could bet on the outcome of the matches. The second Norwegian 9-ball Challenge was won by another player from Finland, Markus Juva.

I have put on the Scandinavian 8-ball Battle, won by Niels Feijen ($ 8000) over Artem Koshovyy. Artem beat Ralf Souquet in a very exciting semifinal, which people could luckily watch live on betandwin.com. Here we also had a special 9-ball event, won by Roberto Gomez from Philippines.

I managed to get the Norwegian 9-ball Championship on TV (not live). I helped the TV-company with editing and the commentary for this, since they had never done it before. I also managed to get an inivitational 9-ball event on tv in Norway, staring Hohmann, Chamat, Nick van den Berg etc. Won by Norwegian Roger Lysholm.

I've been tournament director for tournaments with almost 200 players.

I put on the first Norwegian Team Cup, broadcasted on TV, won by Jasmin Ouschan and Line Kjorsvik.

I have travelled to compete at many Eurotours, tournaments in Philippines and also the DCC. I normally write summaries/reports from my trips here on AZ, and I believe that many readers appreciate them.

I have paid hotelrooms for many pro-players at events over the year, and I always do my best to support the players rights when it comes to incidents like not being payed by the promoter. Since you checked my blog you can read back to January, and notice that I was the FIRST to publish that Chia Ching Wu was still unpaid from the World Ten Ball Championship.

I have managed to finish 3rd and 5th in Norwegian Championships, after I made my goal of becoming a Norwegian Champion. I have had the pleasure of playing Efren Reyes, Ralf Souquet, Thorsten Hohmann, Nick van den Berg, Niels Feijen, Roberto Gomez, Jasmin Ouschan etc., and I have the pleasure of calling them friends.

Remember that I have only been involved in pool for 7 years, and that I am 28 years old. I think it's not that bad.

I could go on and on, but I don't see the point. In fact, I regret why I even wrote this at all, because it shouldn't matter.

People should be allowed to have opinions no matter what they have done in pool.



I totally agree that everyone should be allowed to have an opinion, and you are certainly entitled to your's respectfully. Since we are on the topic of respect what has your opinion served in this thread, what has voicing it done, except to show sometimes it is better to say nothing than to open your mouth and provide evidence that you missed the point.

I applaud you for your accomplishments, now hopefully some day you will gain the wisdom that should go along with them to know that it serves no purpose to voice an opinion that only further stirs a boiling pot and is hurtful to others.

Think about it for a second, what have your comments done to help anyone personally involved in this thread, also do you think for a single moment that anything positive has come from them or ever will? If your answer to yourself is no then why make them in the first place.

I think you are intelligent individual who has great potential, think about what I am saying here before you respond if you choose to at all.

I really did enjoy your website!!!!!!:smile:
 
For the next 14.1 World Championships, Grady should just call/contact all his friends that he has made over the years in pool and band together to boycott the event. When the organizers see the players standing in unity in order for players such as Grady are given an invite they will have no choice.

Note to Manwon - you must not read the 'pool' threads much on here. If you did, you would have a different impression of Roy S. Take some time and review his posts before you throw anymore stones. And now that he has posted some of what he has done in the pool world, you owe him an apology.


I owe him nothing at all, my impression of Roy is very simple. He is certainly a stand up forum member, and he certainly has accomplished much for being so young. I am certain in time he will also have the Wisdom that comes with age to know when and when not to voice an opinion that serves no other purpose than to be hurtful and with out any other content.

Oh and by the way, I have thrown no stones as yet, only made some comments and voiced my opinion like everyone else, but thanks for the advise!!!!:smile:
 
Somebody seems to be on a warpath.I don`t like wars and I was a Hippy and a Flower child.I was in prisons too.
I did not say that Grady said that RICH R is a Bum.
I did not say that your dog has a chance to win the world`s ugliest dog competetion.
I did not say that I will not visit your beautiful pool room when I am in town.
Please do not imagine the things.Peace&Love

I was also a Hippy Flower Child, but I traded my Flowers for a pool cue and never looked back!!!!!!!!!:D

Peace and Love to you also, but the old days are gone now you have to use protection!!!!:D
 
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I totally agree that everyone should be allowed to have an opinion, and you are certainly entitled to your's respectfully. Since we are on the topic of respect what has your opinion served in this thread, what has voicing it done, except to show sometimes it is better to say nothing than to open your mouth and provide evidence that you missed the point.

I applaud you for your accomplishments, now hopefully some day you will gain the wisdom that should go along with them to know that it serves no purpose to voice an opinion that only further stirs a boiling pot and is hurtful to others.

Think about it for a second, what have your comments done to help anyone personally involved in this thread, also do you think for a single moment that anything positive has come from them or ever will? If your answer to yourself is no then why make them in the first place.

I think you are intelligent individual who has great potential, think about what I am saying here before you respond if you choose to at all.

I really did enjoy your website!!!!!!:smile:

Thanks for the nice words about the website.

Since this is a forum where people do discuss you have to expect people to disagree on several subjects.

I suppose you would only want the supporters of Grady to post in all these threads he starts then?

Do you feel that I should not post in these threads because if I post it only means that Grady will post more replies which will end up with him embarrasing himself? If that's what you are afraid of, it's already too late, imo.

Btw: you say hurtful? I haven't said any bad things to Grady at all, I have only said that I don't think he deserves a spot based on what he has performed the last, let's say, 10 years. If that hurts, well...
 
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Thanks for the nice words about the website.

Since this is a forum where people do discuss you have to expect people to disagree on several subjects.

I suppose you would only want the supporters of Grady to post in all these threads he starts then?

Do you feel that I should not post in these threads because if I post it only means that Grady will post more replies which will end up with him embarrasing himself? If that's what you are afraid of, it's already too late, imo.

Btw: you say hurtful? I haven't said any bad things to Grady at all, I have only said that I don't think he deserves a spot based on what he has performed the last, let's say, 10 years. If that hurts, well...


You just do not get it, but I suppose what go's around come's around, everyone gets old and that is one thing we can agree on and your day is coming!!!!!!!!!!:smile:

I still have faith that some day you will become wise enough to understand when to speak and when to remain silent!!!!!!:yeah::yeah:
 
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I owe him nothing at all, my impression of Roy is very simple. He is certainly a stand up forum member, and he certainly has accomplished much for being so young. I am certain in time he will also have the Wisdom that comes with age to know when and when not to voice an opinion that serves no other purpose than to be hurtful and with out any other content.

Oh and by the way, I have thrown no stones as yet, only made some comments and voiced my opinion like everyone else, but thanks for the advise!!!!:smile:

At first you question Vette like you are Perry Mason, already knowing the answer, on the credentials of Roy. I bet you were shocked when you read his short list, ending your career as an attorney.

Then you try to still continue by saying that his opinions have gotten him no where in this debate. But to me and others, it has. I think that he has shown that there is justification why players like Grady are not in the 14.1 championships. If the rules are changed and the greats of our game are given a blanket invite, then he should be on the top of the list. And just like golf, not all the greats get a special exemption. John Daly has as big of a following as almost any golfer, has won major championships but unless he qualifies or is ranked high enough, he won't be there.

Again, IF you read Roy's posts, you would see that he backs his opinions with facts. Facts on what the invited players accomplished, facts on what the non invited have accomplished.

And your opinion are stones as you hurl them haphazardly without any thought behind them. I have never had an issue with you but when you attack (or attempt to attack) and knock down one of the most knowledgable posters on this board, I find it hard to keep quiet.

Finally, I feel that you were attempting to compare yourself to Roy when you not only asked him about his credentials but also posted pics of your event with Grady. Either you live in a town with one stop sign or you did a poor job as a promoter. I count 15 spectators. I'll make another suggestion and don't continue trying to compare yourself to Roy.

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He already has a 2 ball spot. :)

True, but I'm serious. Grady doesn't think she belonged in the tournament despite her finishing 9th in '07 and 3rd in '08, beating the defending world champion Ortmann in the process.

I think the action report should put something together. I'm sure Grady would put up maybe $10,000 of his own money and I don't think Jasmin would have trouble finding a backer. Let's make this happen.
 
True, but I'm serious. Grady doesn't think she belonged in the tournament despite her finishing 9th in '07 and 3rd in '08, beating the defending world champion Ortmann in the process.

I think the action report should put something together. I'm sure Grady would put up maybe $10,000 of his own money and I don't think Jasmin would have trouble finding a backer. Let's make this happen.

I am always the first to say that the women cannot compete on the whole with the men. I argued with John Barton until I was blue in the face that Brian White, whom many have not heard of and doesn't even play in pro events, would beat his favorite woman and world heralded champ, Kelly Fisher.

That being said, if Grady plays Jasmin in straight pool I will bet $10,000 on Jasmin.
 
True, but I'm serious. Grady doesn't think she belonged in the tournament despite her finishing 9th in '07 and 3rd in '08, beating the defending world champion Ortmann in the process.

I think the action report should put something together. I'm sure Grady would put up maybe $10,000 of his own money and I don't think Jasmin would have trouble finding a backer. Let's make this happen.

Jasmin against Grady heads up even money ? Race to 500 ? For 10K ?
I want some of Jasmin's action !!! :thumbup:
 
True, but I'm serious. Grady doesn't think she belonged in the tournament despite her finishing 9th in '07 and 3rd in '08, beating the defending world champion Ortmann in the process.

I think the action report should put something together. I'm sure Grady would put up maybe $10,000 of his own money and I don't think Jasmin would have trouble finding a backer. Let's make this happen.

Unfortunately it will never happen, because Jasmin will never gamble. If she did, I would gladly back her with what I've got.

Trust me, I've tried to bet with her on several occasions, in pool, on pool and on other things, but she keeps refusing. Same with Ralf Souquet and Thorsten Hohmann. They just don't like to bet.
 
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