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Randy,

This was not a scandal. And the mainstream media and the public had zero interest in pool well before this incident. They have zero interest in pool because it's boring to watch and it's not outside in nice scenery.

Nobody is more disappointed in the result of that night than I. I've replayed it countless times in my head in the two days since the tournament, wondering if I should have done it differently. There was a terrible confluence of events leading up to my decision, not the least of which that I was already dead tired, I had to go to work the next morning, and I had to drive myself home. I'd have been more dangerous than that lady on the Taconic if I played another 3 hour match at that point.

I'm upset with myself for not thinking of some alternatives: I could've asked my wife to take the train at 12:30 am to Comet, be picked up by Mr. Haley, so she could watch some of the final and then drive me home. I could've stayed in a hotel room that night, gotten three hours of sleep, and then driven to work in the morning (this was not a great option but I still didn't think of it). Finally, I could've asked Dan if he would agree to play the finals in the days leading up to the World Championships, since we'd both be at Comet anyway. If a delayed finals was good enough for the World Series of Poker Main Event, why not for us? I just didn't think of it, and in truth Dan may not have accepted it.

I wasn't thinking clearly about how many people might've been watching the live stream. I knew it was getting some pretty good numbers during the day, but I figured that the online audience was probably looking a lot like the live audience at that point - about 15 guys, 6 of whom were asleep at any given moment lol (I don't blame them ;) ).

With the current economic situation, and some big financial responsibilities I have coming up, even if I could've found a way home at 4am this was simply not the right time for me to stroll into work at noon on Monday. As many of you know, I could explain it was a national championship til I was blue in the face; to a non-pool player, all that sounds like is "I was out late playing pool."

One last thing in my defense - nobody in the room that night, not the tournament director, the room owner, Pat Fleming, Dan Louie, or any of the spectators expressed any level of dissatisfaction with my decision. I'm absolutely not blaming them - I'm just stating that, that night, there was no lingering feeling that I was doing something very wrong to the fans or the game. Everyone was just like, "It's late, I understand." In the room that night, there was no indication that a thread like this would be started the next morning.

However, the above information is not relevant to the fans or to the game itself. I owed everyone and myself more. I sincerely apologize to those affected and upset. I really had no idea of the magnitude of the situation until the next morning when I read this thread. And I'm just sick about it, to know that I played such a direct role in something that hurt the integrity of the game.

So back to the word "scandal". It's hurtful when what I did is compared to, say, what Strickland did against Corey Deuel all those years ago, quitting in the finals in front of paying spectators, at a regularly scheduled time (i.e., not 12:30am). That is disgraceful, that is a scandal, and that is not what I did. We also did not chop up the prizes; Dan Louie was the winner of the tournament, got all the first place goodies and money, and he completely deserved all of it. What a tremendous player he is, and I'm really happy I got to finally meet him and learn from him.

It's also hurtful when I've been such a responsible and (I hope) contributing member of the pool community for over a decade now, and now because of this regrettable situation it seems my name has been blackened to some.

- Steve

Steve, you have nothing to apologize for. Don't let the negative comments from one guy ruin the great tournament you and Dan had.

Not playing in the finals was your decision and most of us are not upset about it. Just a few people keep harping on it like it's some big huge new thing, when in fact it's not. Many finals have not been played because it was so late. This is hardly a scandal and it's hardly the worst thing that could have happened.

Had you played the match and God forbib something terrible happened on the way home or you lost your job b/c you were late, then everyone would be saying CSI shouldn't have let you and Dan play. Don't second guess you decision. We back you up on what was the right thing to do.

There are good learning experiences coming from the tourney and some good advice for CSI for future events. In the meantime, let's you and I both try (and others) to ignore the few negative posts and the inflated negative opinions.

You made the right decision. Congrat's again to you and Dan!
 
Steve,

You did absolutely nothing wrong.

IMO, you do a lot to positively promote the game of 14.1 - you are by far and away the most popular straight pool player on this forum - I'm not sure if you know just how much we are all behind you, win or lose. You are the forum representative, and you represent us with a passion for the game, awesome skill at the table, and incomparable class no matter the outcome of your matches.

I am not sure why this situation is being described as a scandal, or what is wrong with the game of pool, and why your good name has to be associated with that.

For those of us that know you well enough to call you a friend, we understand how hurtful those words are to you. As far as I am concerned, you and Dan made it to the finals and had earned the right to make the call along with Holly's approval.

You played a great tournament, and it kills me to see what you have had to put up with in the aftermath of what was obviously a very tough decision.

I'm one person that did not feel cheated that night. I was able to sit at my desk and watch some great 14.1 played by a few of my favorite players. Hopefully that will continue to be a regular thing, thanks to CSI.
 
Steve, your apology is not accepted....

Simply put, you have NOTHING to apologize for.....based on the posts of yours I have read, you are a gentleman and a class act....it is unrealistic for a Championship Match to start at 1am of a Sunday.....rediculous....

A 5 hour race to 150 is flat out unacceptable......you could put up two APA 2's and they could get to 150 faster than that.....in a tournament, the TD has to take control and make sure the event moves at a reasonable place.....what if three other matches took 5 hours???.....would it be a reasonable expectation for you to play the final at 8am the next day.....

Come awwn people, to point fingers at Steve is incredibly embarrasing for pool and AZ....

Jason Helms
AKA - Steves new supporter that finals at 1am on a Sunday are not appropriate nor good for pool....
 
Steve if you could just clear up one thing

Randy,

This was not a scandal. And the mainstream media and the public had zero interest in pool well before this incident. They have zero interest in pool because it's boring to watch and it's not outside in nice scenery.

Nobody is more disappointed in the result of that night than I. I've replayed it countless times in my head in the two days since the tournament, wondering if I should have done it differently. There was a terrible confluence of events leading up to my decision, not the least of which that I was already dead tired, I had to go to work the next morning, and I had to drive myself home. I'd have been more dangerous than that lady on the Taconic if I played another 3 hour match at that point.

I'm upset with myself for not thinking of some alternatives: I could've asked my wife to take the train at 12:30 am to Comet, be picked up by Mr. Haley, so she could watch some of the final and then drive me home. I could've stayed in a hotel room that night, gotten three hours of sleep, and then driven to work in the morning (this was not a great option but I still didn't think of it). Finally, I could've asked Dan if he would agree to play the finals in the days leading up to the World Championships, since we'd both be at Comet anyway. If a delayed finals was good enough for the World Series of Poker Main Event, why not for us? I just didn't think of it, and in truth Dan may not have accepted it.

I wasn't thinking clearly about how many people might've been watching the live stream. I knew it was getting some pretty good numbers during the day, but I figured that the online audience was probably looking a lot like the live audience at that point - about 15 guys, 6 of whom were asleep at any given moment lol (I don't blame them ;) ).

With the current economic situation, and some big financial responsibilities I have coming up, even if I could've found a way home at 4am this was simply not the right time for me to stroll into work at noon on Monday. As many of you know, I could explain it was a national championship til I was blue in the face; to a non-pool player, all that sounds like is "I was out late playing pool."

One last thing in my defense - nobody in the room that night, not the tournament director, the room owner, Pat Fleming, Dan Louie, or any of the spectators expressed any level of dissatisfaction with my decision. I'm absolutely not blaming them - I'm just stating that, that night, there was no lingering feeling that I was doing something very wrong to the fans or the game. Everyone was just like, "It's late, I understand." In the room that night, there was no indication that a thread like this would be started the next morning.

However, the above information is not relevant to the fans or to the game itself. I owed everyone and myself more. I sincerely apologize to those affected and upset. I really had no idea of the magnitude of the situation until the next morning when I read this thread. And I'm just sick about it, to know that I played such a direct role in something that hurt the integrity of the game.

So back to the word "scandal". It's hurtful when what I did is compared to, say, what Strickland did against Corey Deuel all those years ago, quitting in the finals in front of paying spectators, at a regularly scheduled time (i.e., not 12:30am). That is disgraceful, that is a scandal, and that is not what I did. We also did not chop up the prizes; Dan Louie was the winner of the tournament, got all the first place goodies and money, and he completely deserved all of it. What a tremendous player he is, and I'm really happy I got to finally meet him and learn from him.

It's also hurtful when I've been such a responsible and (I hope) contributing member of the pool community for over a decade now, and now because of this regrettable situation it seems my name has been blackened to some.

- Steve


Steve, if Dan had the plane to catch why did you have to forfeit the finals. Why didn't he forfeit? Just curious. Thanks.
 
Integrity at its finest..........

Steve, if Dan had the plane to catch why did you have to forfeit the finals. Why didn't he forfeit? Just curious. Thanks.

Let me take a stab at this one. Because Steve is nothing but class, he probably felt that because Dan was undefeated going into the final match, that made him more of a priority. (for lack of a better word). Steve probably could have insisted on playing and forced Dan to miss his flight or forfeit. But as stated earlier, Steve has too much class and respect for the game and it's players to do something like that. Even though I think he would have been well within his right to do so. Of course this is just my opinion.
 
this is my point, exactly. Thank God the media wasn't in attendance. Report the results? Are you kidding me? There wasn't any results to report, just scandal. In fact, the final not being played would have been the only thing they would have reported on. I couldn't imagine opening a sports page a reading that any other sports final was cancelled because it was too late. No wonder mainstream media and the public has zero interest.

Rg

With all due respect, after reading all posts in this thread, it seems that you were nothing more than a spectator or even just a fan of the game. Correct? I mean, you weren't playing in the finals. You weren't contributing to the prize fund. You weren't putting money in the pockets of Holly, Steve, Dan or anyone else for that matter.

So forgive me for asking but, what does it matter to you? It shouldn't have affected you in the least. Holly and Steve have already offered more than reasonable explanations for why things had ended on the note that they did. And best I can tell, NONE of this affected you at all.

If your reasons for commenting on this is because you feel it 'makes pool look bad', then I have to ask... to who? Who is this grand audience that is looking in from the outside and laughing? If you're point is to show that you would have never allowed this to happen if you were still funding and promoting this event, then why don't you CONTINUE to fund and promote it? Why walk away from it? And if your reason was little more than to point out that people didn't get to watch the amount of pool they had signed up for... well, a tournament that ran EXTREMELY late means they got to watch a LOT of pool.

I don't mean to be rude but you seem to have started a thread with the intentions of slamming a tournament director and its participants when NONE of this has any affect on your life, your wallet, etc.. So why not just accept the fact that not every tournament runs smoothly and people got to watch a lot of good pool that weekend?
 
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Steve, if Dan had the plane to catch why did you have to forfeit the finals. Why didn't he forfeit? Just curious. Thanks.

GMAC and Doggin,

During the broadcast, I guess they were mentioning that Dan's flight was at 4am - in reality, it was at 6am. He was more than willing to play the finals, even at that late hour. The decision to forfeit, therefore, was entirely mine.

Unless his flight really was at 4am, and it was the greatest bluff ever perpetrated in a poolroom... :thumbup: hahaha j/k.

- Steve
 
As one of many that helped orginize this event here are my comments.

Steve Lipsky has absolutely nothing to apoligize for. The reality of life came into play and priorities had to be set. And Steve is the type of person/player that will always do the right thing, those of us lucky enough to know him and watch him play know this full well. He is a man of integrity and respect. As he said in his first post the next day, "I would have played it if I could". We that know him take/took that statement as gospel. We are all very happy that Steve and all the other great players in attendence who participated came together to make this tournament happen.

The word "scandal" to even be put forth in any comments is utterly rediculous. Holly took the heat in her earlier comments for not nipping it early. As she knows its the TD's responsibilty to "not" let these types of things happen and she took the heat. She is a stand up lady and I respect her for that.

I will be very disappointed if I see or hear Steve apoligize for this unfortunate sitiuation any longer. There is nothing to apoloigize for. Yes some were disappointed that the finals didn't happen, but after everyone knows why, which they should by now, the disappointment is history and the feeling turned to sympathy for Steve not being able to play it out.

The finger pointing should be over, everyone knows what happened and its time to create a fix for it ever happening again and move on.

It was a tremendous effort by Holly and the NCS squad to bring hundreds of 14.1 enthusiasts together throughout the country and bring us this great event, it can only get better from here.

Thank you Steve Lipsky for ALL you do and what you have done for this great game and this event has certainly brought you even more friends and respect from fellow players all across the world. Be proud of your runner-up finish and get 'em next year.

Randy G you seem awefully bitter toward players in general. Some of your comments are simply way out of line IMO. While we all know what you did to help this game and we have a tremendous amount of respect for that, I think your bitterness is being directed in the wrong places.

Kevin Vidal
 
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Steve, you have nothing to apologize for. Don't let the negative comments from one guy ruin the great tournament you and Dan had.

Not playing in the finals was your decision and most of us are not upset about it. Just a few people keep harping on it like it's some big huge new thing, when in fact it's not. Many finals have not been played because it was so late. This is hardly a scandal and it's hardly the worst thing that could have happened.

Had you played the match and God forbib something terrible happened on the way home or you lost your job b/c you were late, then everyone would be saying CSI shouldn't have let you and Dan play. Don't second guess you decision. We back you up on what was the right thing to do.

There are good learning experiences coming from the tourney and some good advice for CSI for future events. In the meantime, let's you and I both try (and others) to ignore the few negative posts and the inflated negative opinions.

You made the right decision. Congrat's again to you and Dan!

Steve,

I second what Melissa is saying above. There is absolutely no need for you to apologize.

Congratulations on your success in this tourney. Try not to let a few nay-sayers ruin what should be a very happy moment (reaching the finals of the national 14.1).

Again, congratulations.

Ray
 
Steve if apologizing makes you feel better and makes sense to you than I can understand that. However know that people who know you and those who didnt now have a greater respect and admiration for you. Not in you as a person but you as a professional cueist as well. You are the kind of role model that pool needs. And I am not basing this solely on this event but many others in the past and how you conducted yourself. This thread should be rewritten to say "Whats right with pool-Steve Lipsky, Dan Louie, Pat Fleming, Holly, etc".

Things happen. We can go down the list. Baseball, football, hockey, etc. All have had their scheduling problems and all have been cancelled for one reason or another. People want to criticize god and their weatherman for a rain or storm cancellation. There will always be nonproductive people who think they are special and deserve special treatments. Not you however. I know I have gone to many Broadway productions when the Star I went to see couldnt make it that nite and an understudy went on instead. People cry and moan but what about that star who lost a dear member of his family or wanted to go on but his doctors wouldnt let him as he just suffered a mild heart attack. Dont laugh these are true stories.

But heres a solution to a problem. Hows about a match with Dan pre the World Championships. I mean for the trophy. Presumably Dan will be at Comet in late August. Im sure Holly and Pat can arrange something like that. If they can arrange a little extra prize money that would be great. Maybe the fans can help. Arrange some kind of Paypal account and we can kick in for the Finals. Ill start off with the first $100.00. Just a little suggestion. Im sure the fans would enjoy seeing a match between you and Dan Louie a great sportsman himself.
 
But heres a solution to a problem. Hows about a match with Dan pre the World Championships. I mean for the trophy. Presumably Dan will be at Comet in late August. Im sure Holly and Pat can arrange something like that. If they can arrange a little extra prize money that would be great. Maybe the fans can help. Arrange some kind of Paypal account and we can kick in for the Finals. Ill start off with the first $100.00. Just a little suggestion. Im sure the fans would enjoy seeing a match between you and Dan Louie a great sportsman himself.


This would be asking a lot from Dan-In fact it would be asking way too much. That aside, Steve made his decision-He's a stand up guy and he isnt going to backpedal now.
 
This would be asking a lot from Dan-In fact it would be asking way too much. That aside, Steve made his decision-He's a stand up guy and he isnt going to backpedal now.

Yeah I see what youre saying. Ok hows about a match up anyway. Since Dan is going to be at Comet for the World Event. Dan likes challenges.
 
You have nothing to be ashamed of, there was nothing underhanded being done.

Geez, Steve, when did you become such a wuss?

What's next? You're road partner taking a liking to 9 ball?!


Eric >;)
 
With all due respect, after reading all posts in this thread, it seems that you were nothing more than a spectator or even just a fan of them game. Correct? I mean, you weren't playing in the finals. You weren't contributing to the prize fund. You werne't putting money in the pockets of Holly, Steve, Dan or anyone else for that matter.

So forgive me for asking but, what does it matter to you? It shouldn't have affected you in the least. Holly and Steve have already offered more than reasonable explanations for why things had ended on the note that they did. And best I can tell, NONE of this affected you at all.

If your reasons for commenting on this is because you feel it 'makes pool look bad', then I have to ask... to who? Who is this grand audience that is looking in from the outside and laughing? If you're point is to show that you would have never allowed this to happen if you were still funding an promoting this event, then why don't you CONTINUE to fund and promote it? Why walk away from it? And if your reason was little more than to point out that people didn't get to watch the amount of pool they had signed up for... well, a tournament that ran EXTREMELY late means they got to watch a LOT of pool.

I don't mean to be rude but you seem to have started a thread with the intentions of slamming a tournament director and its participants when NONE of this has any affect on your life, your wallet, etc.. So why not just accept the fact that not every tournament runs smoothly and people got to watch a lot of good pool that weekend?

I will let NYC cue dude respond but you will be surprised at what he has done and will maybe understand where he is coming from.

BVal
 
Steve,

I second what Melissa is saying above. There is absolutely no need for you to apologize.

Congratulations on your success in this tourney. Try not to let a few nay-sayers ruin what should be a very happy moment (reaching the finals of the national 14.1).

Again, congratulations.

Ray

Did she change her name and not tell me? Dammit!!!!! LOL

BVal
 
Steve Lipsky on the Defense? Shame on you.

For what? Steve Lipsky is one of the classiest, intelligent guys I have ever met in life. After reading through the thread, I'm embarrassed for the people attacking Steve's character. It's time for some to stop romanticizing the 'players' that helped keep the game down for so many years and recognize the people that are trying to elevate the game to where it belongs.

What's wrong with pool will NOT be found at the NCIS 14.1 championship.

Here's what's wrong with pool:

FACT: Efren Reyes is better at pool than Tiger woods is at golf.

FACT: Tiger Woods gets paid more to show up at tournaments than SVB got paid when he won the U.S. Open.

Fix it. Be part of the solution.

Or I will make a youtube video screaming and crying "LEAVE STEVE LIPSKY ALONE". And believe me, you don't want to see that. :smile:
 
Really, everyone thanks for the support. The fact is, I'm not sure anyone was attacking my character - at least not in these threads. Maybe in the online chat; that, I really have no idea.

I apologized because I was led to believe that there were a lot of people who were disappointed. I also think Randy's point, that this shouldn't have happened, is a valid one and we can all agree on that.

The main gist of this is that we have to figure out a way to curb slow play. Pool has gone too long without a serious solution to this problem.

I'm really hoping we can let this one rest - I have nothing but positive memories of the tournament and think that overall, the same would be said for the players and the spectators.

- Steve
 
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