Butterfly Points

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Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has any DVD that shows how to do butterfly points and reversing butterflies or a source to get such a thing.

Thank you.
 
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Butterfly points are simply 1/2 a full splice joint.

Take a block of maple and cut it into a sharp "V" (so it's pointed)

Take your handle material and cut a "V" (same angle) into it (so it has a V shaped pocket in one end). A jointer with fixture is a better way to produce this part with a shallow angle by the way...

Add veneers to taste, glue the stack to one side of the forearm (the pointy bit) and sand the end of the veneers flush with the other angled side. Clamp veneers to the bare side, sand flush with the end of the firsat set of veneers, and then slide them up (with glue) so the veneers miter nicely.

Glue the forearm (pointy bit with veneers) into v-pocket of handle.

Let dry, and turn round.

Presto!
 
Cue Guru said:
Butterfly points are simply 1/2 a full splice joint.

Take a block of maple and cut it into a sharp "V" (so it's pointed)

Take your handle material and cut a "V" (same angle) into it (so it has a V shaped pocket in one end). A jointer with fixture is a better way to produce this part with a shallow angle by the way...

Add veneers to taste, glue the stack to one side of the forearm (the pointy bit) and sand the end of the veneers flush with the other angled side. Clamp veneers to the bare side, sand flush with the end of the firsat set of veneers, and then slide them up (with glue) so the veneers miter nicely.

Glue the forearm (pointy bit with veneers) into v-pocket of handle.

Let dry, and turn round.

Presto!
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Man, that sounds pretty, Got some pictures PLease.
 
Michael Webb said:
Man, that sounds pretty, Got some pictures PLease.
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Nope; No pictures. I have never done it; just know HOW to do it.

I figured that out WAY before I did the full-splice. I have also learned a LOT about both techniques since my first facination with these assembly methods God only knows how long ago...

Obviously, that description is VERY watered down- a variance of about 0.007" when the cuts are made causes a mis-alignment of ~0.250" at the tips of the final points based on my research so far...

"Perfect or better is all we ask".:wink:
 
Cue Guru said:
Butterfly points are simply 1/2 a full splice joint.

Take a block of maple and cut it into a sharp "V" (so it's pointed)

Take your handle material and cut a "V" (same angle) into it (so it has a V shaped pocket in one end). A jointer with fixture is a better way to produce this part with a shallow angle by the way...

Add veneers to taste, glue the stack to one side of the forearm (the pointy bit) and sand the end of the veneers flush with the other angled side. Clamp veneers to the bare side, sand flush with the end of the firsat set of veneers, and then slide them up (with glue) so the veneers miter nicely.

Glue the forearm (pointy bit with veneers) into v-pocket of handle.

Let dry, and turn round.

Presto!
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Id really be interested in seeing a jointer that can be used to cut a V into the handle. Must be some super duper fancy machne!
 
Cue Guru said:
Nope; No pictures. I have never done it; just know HOW to do it.
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Yeah.. me to.. regarding brain surgery.. anyone gonna let me try?

JV (----not a butterfly jointer but I did sleep at a Holiday In Express last night :thumbup:
 
Cue Guru said:
a variance of about 0.007" when the cuts are made causes a mis-alignment of ~0.250" at the tips of the final points based on my research so far...
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Actually on a typical butterfly cue a discrepancy of .007" would cause a misalignment of the points to be closer to .750"+. Of course this is assuming the angle of the dangle is in conjunction with the overhead cam shackles. If its not theres no telling how far the points will be off.

You may want to do some research on using a glue up jig also. Theres a guy in Florida that knows all about this stuff. Forget his name. He even uses a "special" waxed paper when he glues up cues. Amazing huh.
 
This sounds like its really easy to do. And to think all those times I thought Dave Barenbrugge, Paul Fanelli, Chris Byrne, Pat Diveny, and others were actually pulling off something kinda tricky!

I'm gonna see if I can slap one of their designs together really quick.
I'll be sure to post pics of the results.

And for the record, I'm with ScottR. What is a jointer?
 
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TellsItLikeItIs said:
Youre such a gentleman Mike. I wish I had your restraint.

Who knows though. Maybe we'll all learn something here.:wink:
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Thank you, Here's the way I try to see things, (SOMETIMES)
They need to add to more of those little cartoon characters we have here, and it could also apply to some of the so-called pro- players.
We need a little dwarf trying to jerk of an elephant and halfway between strokes, he stops, totally out of breathe, and the caption says:
No matter how long you think your stroke is, sometimes it's just not enough. ;)

Guru don't take offence, I'm just funin but I do like the way to type. If you cus me out, I understand.
 
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Um... I thought that you guys would know that the jointer is for doing the male V not the female one...

I used a similar set up to do the lap joint for attaching the headstock to the neck. 11 degrees in that case; in this case about 3 degrees.

No, it's NOT easy. Someone asked how, and that is (in a nut shell) how.

I take a lot of heat from you 'established' cue makers, while I am just a hobbist. However, I am capable of the work, and the only person I feel the need to prove that to is myself.

I feel like you guys are all against me here rather than being a supportive family. I hope this is not the case...
 
Cue Guru said:
Um... I thought that you guys would know that the jointer is for doing the male V not the female one...

I used a similar set up to do the lap joint for attaching the headstock to the neck. 11 degrees in that case; in this case about 3 degrees.

No, it's NOT easy. Someone asked how, and that is (in a nut shell) how.

I take a lot of heat from you 'established' cue makers, while I am just a hobbist. However, I am capable of the work, and the only person I feel the need to prove that to is myself.

I feel like you guys are all against me here rather than being a supportive family. I hope this is not the case...
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You support this section of the forum and I for one applaud you.. Serious.
 
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