I Can't Afford a Justis Case

[Ky Boy]

If you would have contacted me immediately after getting the nick in your cue I would have handled the situation much differently.

Out of the blue, without contacting me, without any proof whatsoever, you made a statement saying your cue was nicked in a Justis case. If you make a statement like this, you need something to back it up other than air coming out of your mouth. You have nothing to back it up and keep saying the same thing. If you cannot see this you are blind. You are the one that should be apologizing.

Jack,

Evidently you did not read my post. I do appreciate your posting here and am not trying to offend you or turn you away from this forum. I for one think it is great what you do for the billiard's industry. Although I really wish you would take a moment and really think about what this gentleman is telling you rather than write off as just merely bad PR. I for one do not think that is what he is trying to do. He tells you how great your cases are and it must have been merely a 'fluke' what happened to his cue. You seem upset that he is steering someone toward a John Barton case. Is that what is happening???:shrug:

You have a great customer base and frankly have the market cornered on fine cue cases. I do prefer the aesthetics of your cases over any others on the market and you are the standard for that product line as you have put great time into your work. And it is only right that you should be rewarded for that work.

However, your continuing attack with sarcasm has turned me off to owning one of your cases. I don't get into threads or arguments on this forum but I really want you to know that it bothers me how you are handling this situation. Mostly because I really hoped to own one of you cases in the future. Justis Cases IMO are the RR Phantom of the cue case market. Things can happen that will cause a product to malfunction at times. You definitely understand this but ultimately refuse to admit that it could have happened. Whether it did or didn't is no longer the point...your personal communication skills are being looked at very closely as this thread progresses. Not only that Jack, but your attempt to protect your reputation is by far doing more harm than good. :sorry:

Remember that this is a global forum and that everyone is watching!!


Gary

 

[John Barton]

If you would have contacted me immediately after getting the nick in your cue I would have handled the situation much differently.

Out of the blue, without contacting me, without any proof whatsoever, you made a statement saying your cue was nicked in a Justis case. If you make a statement like this, you need something to back it up other than air coming out of your mouth. You have nothing to back it up and keep saying the same thing. If you cannot see this you are blind. You are the one that should be apologizing.

Like you contacted me before you made a false accusation in an attempt to tarnish my reputation?

You could have sent me an email and told me that you had received some information you didn't like and asked me to clarify it but instead you chose to post it online and use it to falsely accuse me of something I did not do.

Despite the fact that we had known each other for so long and always been cordial and friendly and despite the fact that I sent you emails alerting you the fact that others were copying you and despite the fact that I even brought customers to your booth several times over the years you couldn't give me the same courtesy that you expect from a complete stranger to you.

I never received an apology for that and I know that I never will.

Meanwhile your customer J&J has made and sells that COPY of your case for many years. Your new partner Long Chan, was copying your case long before you sold them the right to your name.

Be completely honest here Jack, what would you have done if Ftgokie had called you the moment that he noticed the nick and felt that it had happened while in your case?

You obviously feel that it's impossible for anything to happen to a cue while in your case so what would you have told him?

You are calling him a liar in public now. So you are saying you would have handled it differently in private then tell us what you would have done.

 

[iba7467]

If you cannot see this you are blind. You are the one that should be apologizing.

This is about the worst customer service I have ever seen. A person who owns a business should never accuse a customer of lying, especially when they were not blatantly doing so nor tarnishing the company's reputation.

I find it inconceivable that a manufacturer (hand-made or otherwise) cannot accept that one product out of thousands might have had a problem that escaped there quality control. The customer even defended the maker that it was a freak occurance.

Justis makes phenomenal cases which I believe all will attest to, but this treatment of an owner (one that even said he would own more in the future) of one of his cases has definitely left a sour taste in my mouth. Gone are the days of "The customer is always right" or "Our customer is priority one".

 

[Jack Justis]

Like you contacted me before you made a false accusation in an attempt to tarnish my reputation?

What reputation?

It's not a false accusation if you have accurate information to back it up.

Would you like for me to post the PM wherein stating you had no problem copying my case design and planned on importing them soon??? You didn't forget about this, did you John?

True to your word you followed thru by exactly copying my case and calling it "Jay Flowers Tribute" case. I see now that it is no longer called "Jay Flowers Tribute" but just "Jay Flowers". How do you explain this?.[/COLOR]

 

[Eric.]

I was kindof wondering why I was being attacked myself. I made a statement that I know was true and Jack started pretty much calling me a liar and telling me that from the few exchanges on this thread that it was aboslutely 100% not his cases fault. I really like his cases and will own another sometime. I think he should have been more tactful and maybe sent me a PM asking me what problems I have had with one of his cases. I would have been happy to do this between me and him and not on here.

I just made a statement, and I still stand by my statement

See? This is a bit delusional and unrealistic, Shawn. Nobody is "attacking" you. You made some statements and people are questioning it. That is far from an "attack".

You made a statement about the case damaging your cues, but you offer no proof and even admit that you didn't see how the cues were damaged, but "they were damaged after you pulled them from the JJ case". So, without any investigation as to why, just chalked it up to the case being the culprit. Do you see why people have questions and doubts? You also said that you "wipe down your cues before and after they come out of your case, every time". That is pretty meticulous and if you are that anal, wouldn't you have tried to see what might have caused the nick in your cue?

Here's something else that doesn't make sense to me; you claimed that "the butt of your cue was chipped about a couple of inches below the joint". Do you use joint protectors? Why? Cuz, the only possible way that I could imagine a butt getting a chip a couple of inches below the joint might be from the edge of the shaft collar smacking against it. The thing is, joint protectors wouldn't allow the joint collar's sharp edge to "cut" anything. For that matter, if the butt is fully in the case, it is protected from the shaft by padded material, so...the butt would have to be about 3" above the padding to be exposed, which is impossible if the case's lid is closed.

So Shawn, I don't speak for Jack Justis, I speak my opinion only. I suspect that your cue was damaged before it went into the case. I just can't imagine how it could have been damaged in the case, even after I tried it on my own Pro Lite Justis case. Unfortunately, just cuz you say over and over "well, it happened...", doesn't make your statement an absolute correct fact. I could say adamantly that I was abducted by aliens, but that doens't make my statement unassailable.

Lastly, I don't know too many people that examine every inch of their cue before it goes into the case, even if you "wipe it down every time", you probably don't inspect the whole friggin cue (unless you are REALLY OCD), so if that is the case, I still think there is a possibility taht the cue was damaged beforehand.


Eric >

 

[ftgokie]

If you would have contacted me immediately after getting the nick in your cue I would have handled the situation much differently.

Out of the blue, without contacting me, without any proof whatsoever, you made a statement saying your cue was nicked in a Justis case. If you make a statement like this, you need something to back it up other than air coming out of your mouth. You have nothing to back it up and keep saying the same thing. If you cannot see this you are blind. You are the one that should be apologizing.

First off. I truely believe that statement you made. At that point in time like I said in an earlier reply, I had too many irons in the fire. I was trying to help out my drug head cousin. He came to me because he didnt have any money to feed his family. I offered to take him and his wife to the store and buy them I believe 300-400 worth of groceries....He declined..so I didnt give him an money because I knew he was going to use it for drugs. He broke into our house when we were gone and robbed us. He took a couple of expensive cues, about 3500.00 cash that I had in my drawer, and most importantly, he took a bunch of jewelry that my 8yr old daughter Tawni had made and gave to my wife before Tawni passed away. I searched on a strech of road between my house and the house where he went after he robbed us which was 5 miles, 1 way. walked, searching the ditches for almost a week, 2x a day. So again...No, I did not contact you, I had far more important things to worry about than a nick in my cue.

secondly...I never said anything about a nick in my cue...I stated that "to me the Justis cases are nice looking, but dont protect your cues as well ...That was basically....a "In My Opinion" statement...I never said anything bad about you or your cases...and I still cant say anything bad about your cases....again...I think it was just a fluke as to how it happened..

You fired back that you were willing to bet that i had never owned or much less held one of your cases....so basically, you called me a Liar without knowing any of the facts.

Then I posted pics of the case I had, and you said you didnt see any evidence of it being the cases fault....Jack...I put the PIN DOWN on every one of my cues in the case...so whatever caused this was at the bottom of the case and you could not see the bottom of the case.

I dunno....this is beyond stupid to me..your the one that attacked me for giving an opinion...Jack, I am sorry your mad, I really am. That was not my intention. I know the cue was perfect before it went in the case, and i know it wasnt after i pulled it out.

I love your cases Jack, I will have another someday. Bickering back and forth like this is not doing anyone any good, and I suggest we quit right now because people are looking at you negatively now. I do not want that.

I still stand behind my statement, but I will also ad that I will probably own another Justis case...this "FREAK" incident is in no way something that will make me not want to ever buy another of your cases.

To the AZer that started this thread, I am sorry it has taken a major nosedive. I will not reply in this thread anymore because I think it is counter productive to everyone involved..

Shawn

 

[ftgokie]

See? This is a bit delusional and unrealistic, Shawn. Nobody is "attacking" you. You made some statements and people are questioning it. That is far from an "attack".

You made a statement about the case damaging your cues, but you offer no proof and even admit that you didn't see how the cues were damaged, but "they were damaged after you pulled them from the JJ case". So, without any investigation as to why, just chalked it up to the case being the culprit. Do you see why people have questions and doubts? You also said that you "wipe down your cues before and after they come out of your case, every time". That is pretty meticulous and if you are that anal, wouldn't you have tried to see what might have caused the nick in your cue?

Here's something else that doesn't make sense to me; you claimed that "the butt of your cue was chipped about a couple of inches below the joint". Do you use joint protectors? Why? Cuz, the only possible way that I could imagine a butt getting a chip a couple of inches below the joint might be from the edge of the shaft collar smacking against it. The thing is, joint protectors wouldn't allow the joint collar's sharp edge to "cut" anything. For that matter, if the butt is fully in the case, it is protected from the shaft by padded material, so...the butt would have to be about 3" above the padding to be exposed, which is impossible if the case's lid is closed.

So Shawn, I don't speak for Jack Justis, I speak my opinion only. I suspect that your cue was damaged before it went into the case. I just can't imagine how it could have been damaged in the case, even after I tried it on my own Pro Lite Justis case. Unfortunately, just cuz you say over and over "well, it happened...", doesn't make your statement an absolute correct fact. I could say adamantly that I was abducted by aliens, but that doens't make my statement unassailable.

Lastly, I don't know too many people that examine every inch of their cue before it goes into the case, even if you "wipe it down every time", you probably don't inspect the whole friggin cue (unless you are REALLY OCD), so if that is the case, I still think there is a possibility taht the cue was damaged beforehand.


Eric >

Last comment and I am done...Yes, I am very anal about my cues...No, this sugartree did not have joint protectors.

Under normal circumstances, yes, I would have found out why it caused the nick...but this was the day I came home to find my house robbed....see my above reply...I had bigger things to worry about.

And yep, I am very...very picky when it comes to my cues, I do wipe them down before they go into the case, so there is no sweat or foreign junk on them when they go into the case...So yea..I take extremely good care of my equipment...im not sorry about that.

and as far as the attacks...When I gave my opinion that Jacks cases dont offer as much protection, that was My opinion...and I stand behind it....Jack came out basically calling me a liar and said he was willing to bet I never owned or closely inspected one of his cases.....That was his mistake...he should have PM'd me asking me why I would make such a statement as to why my opinion was his cases didnt offer as much protection..

Would you feel more comfortable with a 3k cue inside a foam lined hard plastic tube....or would you rather have it inside a case that had cloth compartments? If you was going after protection....honestly, which would you pick? Me, id rather my cues be inside a padded hard plastic tube.....thats just me though.

So yea, I am anal about my cues...I know for 100% certainty it happened inside the case..

OK...Im done.....bicker all you guys want....this is silly to me...and what makes me more sad, is it is making Jack look bad and I dont want that.

 

[Jack Justis]

This is about the worst customer service I have ever seen. A person who owns a business should never accuse a customer of lying, especially when they were not blatantly doing so nor tarnishing the company's reputation..

Sometimes you have to call it like it is although I never called him a liar. That is your wording.

I find it inconceivable that a manufacturer (hand-made or otherwise) cannot accept that one product out of thousands might have had a problem that escaped there quality control. The customer even defended the maker that it was a freak occurance

I would have easily accepted it had I been contacted first. He failed to do so and made the statement without one ioata of proof that his cue was damaged in a Justis case. I immediately asked for an explanition of how this happened. He said it just happened which is not an answer.

Gone are the days of "The customer is always right" or "Our customer is priority one".[/QUOTE]

I agree about 99% but its that other 1% that drives you crazy.

 

[John Barton]

What reputation?

It's not a false accusation if you have accurate information to back it up.

Would you like for me to post the PM wherein stating you had no problem copying my case design and planned on importing them soon??? You didn't forget about this, did you John?

True to your word you followed thru by exactly copying my case and calling it "Jay Flowers Tribute" case. I see now that it is no longer called "Jay Flowers Tribute" but just "Jay Flowers". How do you explain this?.[/COLOR]

No, if you truly want to start it all again then post your PM. The FACT is that you had ZERO idea if it was true or not when you posted it.

Shall I post some PMs and emails where people talk about how their cues were damaged in a Justis case? These are stories I have received over the years, I don't know if they are true or not but I can certainly post them like you did with the ONE pm you received.

The case line I am making is called the J.Flowers Tribute Series and if it is not called that somewhere on my website then it is a misprint that I didn't catch. They are not called "Jay Flowers" anywhere on my site.

And I told you in email during our conversations that I intended to to do this line long before you made your accusations.

The fact is that you made a public accusation based on information that you could not possibly know if it were true that it even came from me. You didn't give me the PRIVATE chance to resolve it as you are now demanding that Ftgokie give you.

And what would you do Jack? I believe that you would continue to deny that a cue could possibly be damaged while in your case and so you would deny responsibility.

But you know what?

No more negativity.

As late as 2006 you and I were friends. When we had the Fury skybox you asked jokingly if "old case makers were allowed" and I warmly invited you and Barb to come up and you did come up for a little while.

I am not even really sure where we got crossways - maybe you just got tired of me saying my interiors are "better" than yours. But in the end you are my elder, you deserve my respect. I have always looked up to you and you do build some drop dead gorgeous cases.

I am tired of feeling hurt over what you did to me. I think that you know deep down that it was uncalled for. I am dropping it from my life though right now.

You do your thing and I will do mine. People who buy your cases know what they have and people who buy mine know what they have.

I'd have handled Ftgokie's experience differently because I know that it's always possible that a cue can somehow get damaged while in one of my cases despite the fact that I do my best to minimize that occurrence.

Best to you and Barbra,

John Barton

 

[Eric.]

Then I posted pics of the case I had, and you said you didnt see any evidence of it being the cases fault....Jack...I put the PIN DOWN on every one of my cues in the case...so whatever caused this was at the bottom of the case and you could not see the bottom of the case.


Shawn

Shawn,

Please see my next post (and use this quote of yours as the reference).


Eric

 

[John Barton]

Jack, I do want to remind you that you posted this in 2006 in this thread and you might want to edit it if this information is no longer true. It is also wise to remember that people who buy your cases second hand probably don't get the instruction sheet along with it. Perhaps posting it to your website somewhere would help to inform them of how to use one of your cases properly: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=41629

ATTENTION: Justis Case Owners - 09-21-2006, 10:55 AM
It has recently come to my attention that some of you may not be aware of our recommendation on how to place your cues and shafts in our cases.
Each case comes with a care sheet that explains this but I though it might be a good idea to review this on this forum since many of my valued customers are AZ members. The following is verbatim from our care sheet.

TO PREVENT PIN AND COLLAR DAMAGE, PLACE THE RUBBER BUMPER PORTION OF YOUR CUE AND THE TIP SECTION OF THE SHAFT DOWN TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE CASE.

If the pin and collar are installed down and the case is accidentally dropped, it could result in a bent pin or chipped collar from the force. I think this is a carry over from owners of cases with tapered tubes where you didn't have the choice but to install pin down.

Jack

 

[Eric.]

Last comment and I am done...Yes, I am very anal about my cues...No, this sugartree did not have joint protectors. Under normal circumstances, yes, I would have found out why it caused the nick...but this was the day I came home to find my house robbed....see my above reply...I had bigger things to worry about.

And yep, I am very...very picky when it comes to my cues, I do wipe them down before they go into the case, so there is no sweat or foreign junk on them when they go into the case...So yea..I take extremely good care of my equipment...im not sorry about that.

and as far as the attacks...When I gave my opinion that Jacks cases dont offer as much protection, that was My opinion...and I stand behind it....Jack came out basically calling me a liar and said he was willing to bet I never owned or closely inspected one of his cases.....That was his mistake...he should have PM'd me asking me why I would make such a statement as to why my opinion was his cases didnt offer as much protection..

Would you feel more comfortable with a 3k cue inside a foam lined hard plastic tube....or would you rather have it inside a case that had cloth compartments? If you was going after protection....honestly, which would you pick? Me, id rather my cues be inside a padded hard plastic tube.....thats just me though.

So yea, I am anal about my cues...I know for 100% certainty it happened inside the case..

OK...Im done.....bicker all you guys want....this is silly to me...and what makes me more sad, is it is making Jack look bad and I dont want that.

Shawn,

After reading your last two posts, I REALLY HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT YOUR CREDIBILITY:

First, in response to Jack Justis' post, you adamantly say ".Jack...I put the PIN DOWN on every one of my cues in the case...so whatever caused this was at the bottom of the case and you could not see the bottom of the case.".

Next post to me, you say "Last comment and I am done...Yes, I am very anal about my cues...No, this sugartree did not have joint protectors.
Under normal circumstances, yes, I would have found out why it caused the nick...but this was the day..."

So...you say you are very anal about your cues. You adamantly say that you "put the pin down on every one of your cues, in the case", but...in your next post, you tell me that you don't use joint protectors on your cues (at least, not on the Sugartree).

Shawn, I think that either you are 100% full of sh1t, or, I think you are not the brightest bulb in da box. The Pro Lite cases do allow the butts to bounce up and down inside, there is some movement, it isn't a form fitted slot. Based on what you said, if you put a butt PIN DOWN, with no joint protectors, into a case that is not a tight, form fitted slot, then...YOU DESERVE WHATEVER BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO YOUR CUE.

Think about it. The pin could bend, the pin could damage the case, the pin could damage anything it touches, so on. For someone so "anal", why in Gawds name what you no use joint protectors AND put a butt with no joint protector PIN DOWN, so it can bounce up and down in the pin.


Eric >

 

[catscradle]

can you all recommend a good leather 2x4 case to carry my cues in?

I didn't read this whole thread so forgive me if I'm repeating...
How about a Justis West, a Jack Justis approved ripoff. I've seen one they are damn nice. Only problems they're not that much less expensive than Justis and they made in China if you object to buying Chinese products.

 

[ftgokie]

Shawn,

After reading your last two posts, I REALLY HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT YOUR CREDIBILITY:

First, in response to Jack Justis' post, you adamantly say ".Jack...I put the PIN DOWN on every one of my cues in the case...so whatever caused this was at the bottom of the case and you could not see the bottom of the case.".

Next post to me, you say "Last comment and I am done...Yes, I am very anal about my cues...No, this sugartree did not have joint protectors.
Under normal circumstances, yes, I would have found out why it caused the nick...but this was the day..."

So...you say you are very anal about your cues. You adamantly say that you "put the pin down on every one of your cues, in the case", but...in your next post, you tell me that you don't use joint protectors on your cues (at least, not on the Sugartree).

Shawn, I think that either you are 100% full of sh1t, or, I think you are not the brightest bulb in da box. The Pro Lite cases do allow the butts to bounce up and down inside, there is some movement, it isn't a form fitted slot. Based on what you said, if you put a butt PIN DOWN, with no joint protectors, into a case that is not a tight, form fitted slot, then...YOU DESERVE WHATEVER BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO YOUR CUE.

Think about it. The pin could bend, the pin could damage the case, the pin could damage anything it touches, so on. For someone so "anal", why in Gawds name what you no use joint protectors AND put a butt with no joint protector PIN DOWN, so it can bounce up and down in the pin.


Eric >

This is funny.....First off....I had the Sugartree maybe 6 weeks. I didnt have time to order, much less recieve joint protectors for the cue.

Now, there are 2 instances that we know of where damage has occured in a Jack justis case...mine and Fatboys...And yet, this sort of thing cannot happen in Jacks eyes...and yours.

As far as me putting the pin down....thats how I have always done it....most of my cues that are of any value have joint protectors...This Sugartree would have if I had chose to keep it.

Now with the statement that JB Cases posted about Jacks warning as to what could happen to a cue if the pin were to be put down first inside a case.....this is making more sence.....Since he had this warning BEFORE I had my cue...and I had no clue as to this warning....how am I at fault...since he obviously knew of the problem it could cause...seems to me your full of chit and just picking sides and not seeing the whole picture

as far as the brightest bulb...no, I am not...never said I was..but I do know the problem occured in the case..


This is the statement from jack
ATTENTION: Justis Case Owners - 09-21-2006, 10:55 AM
It has recently come to my attention that some of you may not be aware of our recommendation on how to place your cues and shafts in our cases.
Each case comes with a care sheet that explains this but I though it might be a good idea to review this on this forum since many of my valued customers are AZ members. The following is verbatim from our care sheet.

TO PREVENT PIN AND COLLAR DAMAGE, PLACE THE RUBBER BUMPER PORTION OF YOUR CUE AND THE TIP SECTION OF THE SHAFT DOWN TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE CASE.

If the pin and collar are installed down and the case is accidentally dropped, it could result in a bent pin or chipped collar from the force. I think this is a carry over from owners of cases with tapered tubes where you didn't have the choice but to install pin down.

Jack


Ok guys...now Im done....seems with this warning about Justis cases..Jack cant say for 100% certainty this did not happen...

 

[iba7467]

Sometimes you have to call it like it is although I never called him a liar. That is your wording.

I find it inconceivable that a manufacturer (hand-made or otherwise) cannot accept that one product out of thousands might have had a problem that escaped the quality control. The customer even defended the maker that it was a freak occurance

I would have easily accepted it had I been contacted first. He failed to do so and made the statement without one ioata of proof that his cue was damaged in a Justis case. I immediately asked for an explanition of how this happened. He said it just happened which is not an answer.

Gone are the days of "The customer is always right" or "Our customer is priority one".

I agree about 99% but its that other 1% that drives you crazy.

Thank you for your polite response. I met you at the DCC when you presented the cases Justin and Chad of TAR purchased. I think your cases are exquisite and you are a phenomenal artist in your craft.

Niceties aside, I posted what I did to point out that the internet (publicly) is not a good medium for disussions such as this. Customer complaints are generally taken with consideration to the maker, while the maker's response is much more damning to the maker than the customer.

Again thanks for the polite response and hopefully I will contact you at some time for a custom case.

 

[John Barton]

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Think about it. The pin could bend, the pin could damage the case, the pin could damage anything it touches, so on. For someone so "anal", why in Gawds name what you no use joint protectors AND put a butt with no joint protector PIN DOWN, so it can bounce up and down in the pin.


Eric >

I guess that is one reason I put a lot of padding in the bottom of my cases. When I did demos at shows I used to literally throw the cue into our cases at shows pin down with no joint protectors on them to show people that there was no chance of the cue being harmed if it were put in the case pin down.

I suspect that most people would expect that they should be able to put cue into a straight cavity in either direction and not have to worry about it. As a normal person I would definitely not be thinking that there was only one direction that the cue goes if it fits both ways.

In JB Cases you can put the cues in either direction with no joint protectors and there is virtually no chance that your cues will be damaged.

 

[Big Perm]

See what you started Dan....you could have just made the title, "I am a cheap bastard, help me find a case"

 

[Eric.]

This is funny.....First off....I had the Sugartree maybe 6 weeks. I didnt have time to order, much less recieve joint protectors for the cue.



As far as me putting the pin down....thats how I have always done it....most of my cues that are of any value have joint protectors...This Sugartree would have if I had chose to keep it.

.

You really don't dabble in common sense or reality, huh?

Think about it...if you don't have joint protectors, and you KNOW that the butt sits in the case loose enough to bounce up and down, WHAT PERSON IN THEIR RIGHT MIND PUTS IT IN PIN DOWN, WITH NO JOINT PROTECTORS?


Eric >that says it all

 

[ftgokie]

You really don't dabble in common sense or reality, huh?

Think about it...if you don't have joint protectors, and you KNOW that the butt sits in the case loose enough to bounce up and down, WHAT PERSON IN THEIR RIGHT MIND PUTS IT IN PIN DOWN, WITH NO JOINT PROTECTORS?


Eric >that says it all

Honestly, your 100% correct. All the other cases I had the cue was in there snug and didnt wobble around at all like this Justis did. I am just lucky I didnt bend the pin....Yes, That was my ignorance. But if I would have known about the warning with Justis cases that the pin needs to be up if there is no joint protector because his cases could possibly cause damage, I would have put it in there correctly.

But....whats the difference with the pin hitting the bottom as opposed to the top? I dont slam my cases down on the ground...I dont even drop my cases down...I place them down...so to me, thats not even an issue. I dont know for sure...but I think the cue with all the play in the case had something to do with it...I dont know though, it could be a number of things.

Every case I have owned the cue wobbling around, or sliding back and forth has never been an issue until this one, the cues in all the other cases never moved. So I guess I am fortunate enough to just get a small nick in the cue finish and not to have had more damage done.

And to be honest. I just turned my new Bluegrass pin up because of this. It did not come with a joint protector and I wouldnt want it to get damaged...so all in all, I have learned something.

Ok..now THIS is the last responce from me......I promise

Sorry the thread got derailed

 

[Eric.]

Honestly, your 100% correct. All the other cases I had the cue was in there snug and didnt wobble around at all like this Justis did. I am just lucky I didnt bend the pin....Yes, That was my ignorance. But if I would have known about the warning with Justis cases that the pin needs to be up if there is no joint protector because his cases could possibly cause damage, I would have put it in there correctly.

But....whats the difference with the pin hitting the bottom as opposed to the top? I dont slam my cases down on the ground...I dont even drop my cases down...I place them down...so to me, thats not even an issue. I dont know for sure...but I think the cue with all the play in the case had something to do with it...I dont know though, it could be a number of things.

The difference is that if you are as meticulous and anal as you portray, you would NEVER put a pin in to bounce off the bottom of the case, dig a hole in the case, bend, etc. If anything, that is careless and reckless, not meticulous and anal. As soon as you realized the butt isn't held in there tightly and can move freely, should have been the last time you put it in pin first.

And, if you are that careless to put a butt, pin down with no joint protectors, into a case where the butt moves freely, then I have to believe you could have carelessly chipped your cue butt without realizing it.

I still have my doubts about the whole story.


Eric >over and out