Plan is to have it for sale next Thursday. Thanks for the support. It should be a good one. Both guys are hungry to win.
Challenge matches from Galveston
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What other username are you asking me if I post under? You can be assured that I do not post under another name. AZ Billiards allows us to post our opinions, and what I have been posting is my opinions. Just because they differ from yours doesn't mean that I am devious in my posting by using more than one username. And I think that you have a personal stake in this whole thing for sure!
My personal stake in this is that I would like to see the pool industry more available to the general public -- I love watching the matches that are shown on streaming and on TV. I am a 63-year-old grandmother and I don't play pool myself, but I have recently retired and plan to learn! I love to watch it, though, because it is such a fantastic art form and it's unbelievable the shots that some players can make -- like "magic" (I see why Efren is called "The Magician"). And I am a fan of many of the players! So I plan to be in that market of sponsors who support those who decide to stream and broadcast professional, tasteful pool matches.
EDIT - Never mind, post above answered my question.
What other username are you asking me if I post under? You can be assured that I do not post under another name. AZ Billiards allows us to post our opinions, and what I have been posting is my opinions. Just because they differ from yours doesn't mean that I am devious in my posting by using more than one username. And I think that you have a personal stake in this whole thing for sure!
My personal stake in this is that I would like to see the pool industry more available to the general public -- I love watching the matches that are shown on streaming and on TV. I am a 63-year-old grandmother and I don't play pool myself, but I have recently retired and plan to learn! I love to watch it, though, because it is such a fantastic art form and it's unbelievable the shots that some players can make -- like "magic" (I see why Efren is called "The Magician"). And I am a fan of many of the players! So I plan to be in that market of sponsors who support those who decide to stream and broadcast professional, tasteful pool matches.
Enough said.
Cussing is not the problem. My father used to cuss, bless his heart, in every other word just in general conversation. I'm even guilty of it myself once in a while. That *od *amn TAR :grin: Just kidding.
All I am saying is that it is not appropriate for general broadcasting of a sport to the public. And it is my opinion that the more pool goes public, the less it should allow swear words in the commentary. I know you differ in your opinion, and that is your right. So cuss away!
My thoughts exactly! Those who will be watching in their homes with their kids and maybe even with their preachers will make up a sector of the audience that the pool industry will want to have in their market!
As I was reading through the comments, about the commentary, I was proud that someone noticed the no cussing in my show. I also was feeling really guilty, because while reviewing the Texas Open show, I caught myself dropping the "F" bomb!! We had started the recording a little early and I had gotten frustrated over the spelling of someone's name. :shocked: I did delete it from the recording.
I have an "Announcer Guidelines" sheet that anyone sitting in the booth must review. We are ALL human though.
Being around cussing a lot can rub off on you, that's why WE don't allow it in our house. My thoughts are that since my stream will be watched by many in their homes, I don't want to send anything out that folks can't watch with their kids or preacher.
I am soooo glad we have a forgiving Lord! We can all learn a lot from him.
Ray
The same person defending Scott and Gabe is worried about professionalism and decency? Would you call the actions in their match, that they were PAID to play, professional and/or decent?
The fact is that they lacked in professionalism, and their lack of decency led them to STEAL the promoters money. That's right, they stole the money. They had a job to do, and that was to entertain an audience. The failed to do that job, but still got the money.
It may be a extreme to call this stealing, but in general it is the same as stealing. To call TAR unprofessional or indecent is far more heinous than saying that Gabe and Scott were stealing.
I understand that a large percentage of the population has a problem with what they consider foul language, I understand that it can be distasteful and inappropriate in many situations, and I understand that when given a choice these people will choose the version that they understand to be the "cleaner" of the choices. However, what I don't understand is what channels people like this watch on television. Are they really restricted to PBS, CNN, etc.? Because all of the channels that I see contain the same language that you are complaining about. Words that I would expect to be warned about or even banned on this forum are perfectly acceptable on almost all of the channels on your tv.
TAR does a fantastic job of streaming some great matches. They do not have 100% control over the commentators, and most of the time that leads to some great commentary. Occasionally there may be someone in the booth that has a foul mouth (apparently according to you), but realize that these times are the exception, NOT THE RULE.
I hope you can understand that as much as I hope that the promoters in Galveston realize that Scott and Gabe are the exception. I hate to see two players shoot themselves in the foot and end up injuring all of the other players, but that is how it usually works. One bad apple...
Yes, I see that you believe that if I don't play pool myself, TAR would not be interested in me being your customer.
Is that the thinking of the horse industry? -- if you don't own or train or ride a horse yourself, then they are not interested in you as market potential? I think not!
Is that the thinking of the football industry? If you don't play football or are a coach, they are not interested in you as market potential? I think not!
Just look where the horseracing industry would be if they used that criteria for gaining market share. I have been a horseracing enthusiast all my life, have watched racing on TV and have gone to the track to watch it and paid to get in, but I have never trained or raced a horse in my life! But I think the horseracing industry likes having me as a customer.
You might want to take a course in marketing -- you might be missing out on a whole avenue of market share!
Since Gabe and Scott's "behavior" is uncharacteristic of them -- in other words, in the past they have always acted with professionalism and decency, I and others are giving them the benefit of the doubt, although others might not.
I completely disagree.... It was entertaining for me... I Laughed Out Loud several times during the match...
So what you are saying is that as long as I do a great job making cases for 99 people, when you order a case from me it is okay to send you a rubber band and plastic bag? Because it is then "uncharacteristic" of me.
Hope you see my point. They were there to entertain, and they put forth no effort. It would be different if they were having a bad day and tried to really play. It would also be different if they saw all of the complaints, and played the match again, but put some effort into it.
lol....I knew the extremity of that line would get quoted. I also laughed several times, but that is because I had no bet down and I was watching with someone that did. It was his reaction to several of the shots that had me laughing.
I have no clue why you attacked the people that put on the
World Pool Classic, you said how unprofessional they were for
putting on a free show. It might have started off rough, but there
were issues with them losing their video people.
Why you brought in Tony Cohan's name,
OMG how crappy was that, and then you threw mud at TAR.
I think that TAR has stepped up the pool watching scene
I think they have brought us matches that few people would get to see
they go through all the effort to arrange these matches and
you went out of your way to attack them when as I said earlier
they had nothing to do with last nights matches, shame on
you. (Nobody puts TAR in a corner)
I really had to go back and read your posts, I think it's
enough. I think you made some really low personal attacks
and they were without merit.
I am giving you red because you sought out and attacked
people that had nothing to do with last nights match,
nor did they warrant such mud flinging as you did.
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you are 100% correct. The preacher and bible study cross section is what pool entities needs to cater to in order to make any real money in the industry. (my daughter is looking at me like I'm crazy because I'm actually lol' ing)
Didn't you also just ask someone if they knew anything about marketing?
(still, lol' ing)
still lol' ing. Lollerskates.
I'm picturing an entire congregation going over one pocket and straight pool maneuvers before service.
"reading from the book of Hohmanns 14.1"
I'm picturing an entire congregation going over one pocket and straight pool maneuvers before service.
"reading from the book of Hohmanns 14.1"
I seriously doubt if anyone told Scott or Gabe anything about how to play in their match. In the interview after the match, Scott explained how tired both of them were and that Gabe told him that he planned on a very 'offensive' game. (He certainly succeeded, as many found their match 'offensive'). While, as a fan, I was disappointed with this match, I will give them a pass and write it off to a mistake on their part. Hopefully they will get some feedback about the viewers' dissappointment and not do this again, if they get another chance.
I think the 'problems' are getting much more attention than the good things though. The Daulton/Reyes match was top rate. The game Daulton played in the first game of that match was awesome. He got out of every trap Efren put him in. Yu Ram Cha was very impressive on that difficult table in her match with Allison. And Shane shocked everyone winning the first ten games in his match with Orcullo. I just wish they were streaming more of the tournament matches, hopefully we will get more matches streamed next year(if they is a next year).
I think the 'problems' are getting much more attention than the good things though. The Daulton/Reyes match was top rate. The game Daulton played in the first game of that match was awesome. He got out of every trap Efren put him in. Yu Ram Cha was very impressive on that difficult table in her match with Allison. And Shane shocked everyone winning the first ten games in his match with Orcullo. I just wish they were streaming more of the tournament matches, hopefully we will get more matches streamed next year(if they is a next year).
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hmmm
i wonder if any of you seen what happened in nyc at raxx last weekend?
they had 103 players in the empire state 9-ball championship. dennis
hatch won a hill hill thriller over manny chau.
it was streamed on go4pool.net and maybe i say maybe it still can be viewed. hatch came back from 10-6 to win with an incredible shot. mainly because he got a little out of line. i always say great shots come from
bad position !!:grin-square:
just wanna thro in some goooood
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i wonder if any of you seen what happened in nyc at raxx last weekend?
they had 103 players in the empire state 9-ball championship. dennis
hatch won a hill hill thriller over manny chau.
it was streamed on go4pool.net and maybe i say maybe it still can be viewed. hatch came back from 10-6 to win with an incredible shot. mainly because he got a little out of line. i always say great shots come from
bad position !!:grin-square:
just wanna thro in some goooood
.This is what I meant, too, about giving Gabe and Scott the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes people do make mistakes or behave in ways uncharacteristic.
I must admit that I was one of those who got pretty negative at times, and really didn't mean to go that far! :sorry: However, I realize that all of us at times do get passionate about our beliefs and don't know when to stop!
Thanks for bringing me back into a more balanced mental state! There have really been some awesome matches, and I look forward to seeing some of the streaming on the 10-Ball games.
I will try to be more positive here on out!
I must admit that I was one of those who got pretty negative at times, and really didn't mean to go that far! :sorry: However, I realize that all of us at times do get passionate about our beliefs and don't know when to stop!
Thanks for bringing me back into a more balanced mental state! There have really been some awesome matches, and I look forward to seeing some of the streaming on the 10-Ball games.
I will try to be more positive here on out!
LOL, Actually i've got an MBA that focused primarily on marketing and strategy, so thanks for making that very telling assumption. If you were to take a marketing course you'd learn that you can't please everyone and must choose a target market to focus your energy on. And my comment that you quoted was not just about you playing pool but being 63 and never having played pool. After looking at all of your posts on this forum I've come to realize that you would probably be one of the members of the market who would get optimal pleasure out of watching streams muted. After seeing that the only other pool related thread that you've posted in was about Efren and Gabe playing and now this thread defending Gabe, I think we all have a good idea of who you are or atleast where you stand.Yes, I see that you believe that if I don't play pool myself, TAR would not be interested in me being your customer.
Is that the thinking of the horse industry? -- if you don't own or train or ride a horse yourself, then they are not interested in you as market potential? I think not!
Is that the thinking of the football industry? If you don't play football or are a coach, they are not interested in you as market potential? I think not!
Just look where the horseracing industry would be if they used that criteria for gaining market share. I have been a horseracing enthusiast all my life, have watched racing on TV and have gone to the track to watch it and paid to get in, but I have never trained or raced a horse in my life! But I think the horseracing industry likes having me as a customer.
You might want to take a course in marketing -- you might be missing out on a whole avenue of market share!
There is another professional streamer that agrees with me - that is BigTruck. Just goes to show that even the professionals in pool streaming disagree with each other on potential market base. I don't need to watch muted streams, because the ones that BigTruck/IPT/ESPN, etc., produce don't need to be muted because of the swear words. This is just my opinion. Like I said, cuss away!
Also, yes, I am a fan of Efren and Gabe. I am also a fan of Corey, Shane, John Schmidt, Rodney Morris, as well as others. What does that have to do with pool streaming in a professional and tasteful manner?
Also, yes, I am a fan of Efren and Gabe. I am also a fan of Corey, Shane, John Schmidt, Rodney Morris, as well as others. What does that have to do with pool streaming in a professional and tasteful manner?
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