Challenge matches from Galveston

It wasn't one TAR match, it was on several. But hopefully you're right, they didn't intend to cuss several hundred times at one streaming, and maybe they have cleaned up their act.

And I think IPT bit off more than they could chew, but I am of the understanding that they finished paying everyone they owed -- at least I know one competitor personally who got paid a substantial amount and IPT doesn't owe them anything.

akaTrigger said:
So, messing up on payouts is one thing but cussing on one TAR match is causing you this much angst? Well, I am sure they didn't intend for the cussing to happen.
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Lord, I apoplogize

As I was reading through the comments, about the commentary, I was proud that someone noticed the no cussing in my show. I also was feeling really guilty, because while reviewing the Texas Open show, I caught myself dropping the "F" bomb!! We had started the recording a little early and I had gotten frustrated over the spelling of someone's name. :shocked: I did delete it from the recording.

I have an "Announcer Guidelines" sheet that anyone sitting in the booth must review. We are ALL human though. :o

Being around cussing a lot can rub off on you, that's why WE don't allow it in our house. My thoughts are that since my stream will be watched by many in their homes, I don't want to send anything out that folks can't watch with their kids or preacher.

I am soooo glad we have a forgiving Lord! We can all learn a lot from him.

Ray
 
This thread was about complaining about Gabe and Scott's "unprofessionalism" and really, this is the first time that I have seen that they both are considered by many to have played poorly. Many are saying, "I won't watch them any more because of this."

My point is to show that not only the promoters of the Galveston World Classic made mistakes; and TAR made mistakes, but many still support them regardless. No one knows why Gabe and Scott performed as they did -- like one poster said, it could have been because they were exhausted and the pool table was lousy, etc. But to write them off because of it, but accept others' mistakes and still support them, is hypocritical, in my opinion.

Even Big Brown came in last in the Belmont a few years ago, when he had won the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness. Many felt like writing him off, but he came back and won other races, including the Haskell. Sometimes people (and horses) just really have "off" days!

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Klink said:
I dont see how this has anything to do with the poor choice made by Gabe and Scott last night. Maybe a nice PM to JCIN would be a better way to make your point and get results.
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in the players defence maybe the scheduling of matches and various events should have been thought about more. they must have and looked to be very tired. this would fall on the promoters and tournament directers if they don't realize what kind of time frames they need it could only effect the players and their preformance. scott did mention a very greuling schedule!

a great event truly and hopefully more to come with better thought to what they need to do next time.

i hope they also think more about the streaming and what the viewers need and expect because that is my biggest complaint.
 
TulsaRose said:
This thread was about complaining about Gabe and Scott's "unprofessionalism" and really, this is the first time that I have seen that they both are considered by many to have played poorly. Many are saying, "I won't watch them any more because of this."

My point is to show that not only the promoters of the Galveston World Classic made mistakes; and TAR made mistakes, but many still support them regardless. No one knows why Gabe and Scott performed as they did -- like one poster said, it could have been because they were exhausted and the pool table was lousy, etc. But to write them off because of it, but accept others' mistakes and still support them, is hypocritical, in my opinion.

Even Big Brown came in last in the Belmont a few years ago, when he had won the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness. Many felt like writing him off, but he came back and won other races, including the Haskell. Sometimes people (and horses) just really have "off" days!

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for whatever reason, you decided to bring TAR into a thread that had nothing to do with them in an effort to take the heat off of Gabe and Scott. Them saying a few cusswords on one of their previous streams has absolutely NOTHING in common with the lack of effort put forth by the players in last nights challenge match. Furthermore, the lack of a professional quality stream and tourney system by the Galveston promoters also has nothing to do with this thread.

Gabe and Scott didn't have "off" days. They chose to flippantly shoot shots they never shoot because it was a free roll. That is their right and choice as they fulfilled there contractual obligations of the challenge match for all concrete definitions of such. However, not giving 100% was basically a slap in the face to the fans, viewers, promoters, and sponsors of the event. That is what the thread is about and that is why people are upset and having this discussion in the first place, not because of what the Galveston group or TAR did or didn't do.
 
punter said:
The thing that is lacking for me is that the Galveston stream is not continuous and they are not posting info as to when the next match is coming on so that you know when to tune in(at least I don't see any such info).
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There is no such info, and I'm cynical enough to think that's deliberate. You see, when people go to the streaming site all day to look for something live, UStream registers a "hit." Then the promoters go to their sponsors and say, "We had 20,000 hits today. That's a record. You're getting a lot for your money."

What the sponsors really got, of course, was maybe 2,000 people who were disappointed an average of 10 times during the day by trying to tune in to something live and finding canned re-runs. That's 2,000 people with a negative impression, instead of the love the sponsor was hoping for.

On the first day of streaming, there was lots of live coverage, and its quality got better and better. I was amazed, late in the evening, to see huge numbers of viewers watching the 1-pocket matches. (These were real, live actual viewers -- not just "hits.") Considering the greater public awareness of 8 and 9-ball, compared to 1-pocket, I was expecting truly amazing audience numbers once the more popular formats started.

Instead, the streaming stopped except for the 'challenges.' All those great tournament matchups, and their advertising potential, went out to the public as numbers on a tournament chart. If I were a sponsor of the internet stream, I would make it clear that I expected more.
 
This is your opinion. Other people think differently and give them the benefit of the doubt.

corvette1340 said:
for whatever reason, you decided to bring TAR into a thread that had nothing to do with them in an effort to take the heat off of Gabe and Scott. Them saying a few cusswords on one of their previous streams has absolutely NOTHING in common with the lack of effort put forth by the players in last nights challenge match. Furthermore, the lack of a professional quality stream and tourney system by the Galveston promoters also has nothing to do with this thread.

Gabe and Scott didn't have "off" days. They chose to flippantly shoot shots they never shoot because it was a free roll. That is their right and choice as they fulfilled there contractual obligations of the challenge match for all concrete definitions of such. However, not giving 100% was basically a slap in the face to the fans, viewers, promoters, and sponsors of the event. That is what the thread is about and that is why people are upset and having this discussion in the first place, not because of what the Galveston group or TAR did or didn't do.
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corvette1340 said:
for whatever reason, you decided to bring TAR into a thread that had nothing to do with them in an effort to take the heat off of Gabe and Scott. Them saying a few cusswords on one of their previous streams has absolutely NOTHING in common with the lack of effort put forth by the players in last nights challenge match. Furthermore, the lack of a professional quality stream and tourney system by the Galveston promoters also has nothing to do with this thread.

Gabe and Scott didn't have "off" days. They chose to flippantly shoot shots they never shoot because it was a free roll. That is their right and choice as they fulfilled there contractual obligations of the challenge match for all concrete definitions of such. However, not giving 100% was basically a slap in the face to the fans, viewers, promoters, and sponsors of the event. That is what the thread is about and that is why people are upset and having this discussion in the first place, not because of what the Galveston group or TAR did or didn't do.
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Justin,Chad & most of their guest announcers or sit ins do a great job..imo. It's when we need a break and none of the regulars are available that things usually hit the fan.

Back on topic......It's hard after a long day of competition to perform, even if you're getting paid. I think winner take all and a 1099 would help. :D (I know...debatable)

Ray
 
OOps! According to Corvette you might be off topic here! You might want to read Corvette's post "However, not giving 100% was basically a slap in the face to the fans, viewers, promoters, and sponsors of the event. That is what the thread is about and that is why people are upset and having this discussion in the first place, not because of what the Galveston group or TAR did or didn't do."

abgbum said:
There is no such info, and I'm cynical enough to think that's deliberate. You see, when people go to the streaming site all day to look for something live, UStream registers a "hit." Then the promoters go to their sponsors and say, "We had 20,000 hits today. That's a record. You're getting a lot for your money."

What the sponsors really got, of course, was maybe 2,000 people who were disappointed an average of 10 times during the day by trying to tune in to something live and finding canned re-runs. That's 2,000 people with a negative impression, instead of the love the sponsor was hoping for.

On the first day of streaming, there was lots of live coverage, and its quality got better and better. I was amazed, late in the evening, to see huge numbers of viewers watching the 1-pocket matches. (These were real, live actual viewers -- not just "hits.") Considering the greater public awareness of 8 and 9-ball, compared to 1-pocket, I was expecting truly amazing audience numbers once the more popular formats started.

Instead, the streaming stopped except for the 'challenges.' All those great tournament matchups, and their advertising potential, went out to the public as numbers on a tournament chart. If I were a sponsor of the internet stream, I would make it clear that I expected more.
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it's a shame!! when looking at the 10-ball bracket i cud cry what we're missin'.... gonna leave now, dont wanna wait and waste time anymore :mad:
 
bicki said:
it's a shame!! when looking at the 10-ball bracket i cud cry what we're missin'.... gonna leave now, dont wanna wait and waste time anymore :mad:
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true, so true !


bicki i think i left a message for you on your profile page!
 
Just to play devil's advocate here. Do you think there was any possiblity that the production company or powers that be told them to play loose and aggressive. I heard somewhere that this may get put on TV (VS) Maybe they wanted aggressive and wild one-pocket not two guys bunting balls around for 5 hours. Crazy banks, kicks and three railers sell alot better then the wedge.
I did not watch the match, just wondering.:o
 
Let's keep it in perspective friends and not get all pissy.


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kryptonite9 said:
Just to play devil's advocate here. Do you think there was any possiblity that the production company or powers that be told them to play loose and aggressive. I heard somewhere that this may get put on TV (VS) Maybe they wanted aggressive and wild one-pocket not two guys bunting balls around for 5 hours. Crazy banks, kicks and three railers sell alot better then the wedge.
I did not watch the match, just wondering.:o
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you know what, that scenario would be the ONLY saving grace here. If for some stupid reason the promoters actually told them to shoot like that (still very highly unlikely) then I would rescind my comments about them not giving it their all. Then everyone's angst about the quality of the pool being so poor would be directed at the promoters and not the players.

I give this scenario about a 1% chance, if that much, but thanks for bringing up the possiblilty. I hadn't even thought of it because it would be so ludicrous for the people behind the scenes to believe that would actually work.
 
Taylor Road productions is way stuck on this tournament. Rumor is its well into six figures. How about we show them some positive feedback on things other than this? We do want them to not give up on this right?
 
So you are basically almost 100% sure that the only reason Gabe and Scott performed the way they did was because they did it intentionally to hurt the fans and the promoters. You have such penetrating insight! There is no chance, in your opinion, that any other factors impinged upon their performance -- like exhaustion, poor table and lighting, schedule, other factors not known by the public, etc., which would account for it. This means that you believe that Gabe and Scott -- who have in the past most always put in a top-notch performance, had, this one time, screwed everyone! Wow! What trust! I don't know Scott very well, but I do know Gabe. And I know that he would not perform this way unless there was a very good reason (whether we know about that reason or not) that he performed the way he did. So I, as well as others, do give them the benefit of the doubt; and I am really amazed at your belief in your inerrant insight and ability to perceive the real cause!



corvette1340 said:
you know what, that scenario would be the ONLY saving grace here. If for some stupid reason the promoters actually told them to shoot like that (still very highly unlikely) then I would rescind my comments about them not giving it their all. Then everyone's angst about the quality of the pool being so poor would be directed at the promoters and not the players.

I give this scenario about a 1% chance, if that much, but thanks for bringing up the possiblilty. I hadn't even thought of it because it would be so ludicrous for the people behind the scenes to believe that would actually work.
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TulsaRose said:
Then i guess you didn't watch one of the 1-pocket matches several months ago during prime time. Plus, some kids do stay up to midnight watching pool, especially on a weekend. Can you tell me, did you as a teenager always go to bed at 10:00?

Also, the TAR coverage of Gabe and Chohan's 1 pocket match up that was on PPV was ridiculous. Any one, even if they were not necessarily a teenager or a pool player, could tell who TAR favored and who they didn't favor in that match-up. I can see why that DVD was never released.
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I think you need to understand something. We do not censor our commentators. We do not tell them who to favor or who to root for or that they must show absolutely no emotion whatsoever. They are in the box to be themselves and give their observations on the match.

So please do not say "TAR favored" so and so because that is just not true. We are friends or friendly with almost all of the players who have played in our matches. We want everyone to perform well and walk away win or lose satisfied with the experience of working with us. How long do you think we could do matches if we were biased towards one player or another?

While our commentators do represent TAR to an extent their opinions are their own and we wouldn't want it any other way.

I would like to know what exactly was ridiculous about the coverage? The commentators for much of that match were Scott Frost and Ronnie Wiseman. Scott bet on Gabe and Ronnie bet on Tony and they made no secret of the fact. So please tell me how with opposite sides in the booth how one could be favored over the other?

We are not going to tailor our PPV matches for children. We are not children and most people who are going to pay $25 to watch an action match are not children. We do try to keep it tasteful and I think we do a good job of that but if the odd four letter word finds its way in then so be it. I will bet whatever you like that I can find a 4 minute rap song that your kids have probably heard with more four letter words in it than an 8 hour section of that match.

As far as the DVD it will be released.

We try to make as many people happy as possible but we also understand that try as we might that is probably never going to happen. So we just do what we feel is best and what is the most fun. Because as soon as it stops being fun it stops period.
 
I'm not saying they didn't chop, but the first 3 racks were over in 10 mins--- that was impressive. After that, they were playing like the winner had to ___ the loser. Regardless, I learned a lot.

I gotta give it to JoeyA--- he's pretty knowledgeable with that 1hole. He called a lot of the shots correctly.
 
TulsaRose said:
It wasn't one TAR match, it was on several. But hopefully you're right, they didn't intend to cuss several hundred times at one streaming, and maybe they have cleaned up their act.
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Ok. I am calling bullsh!t on that one. See that is one cuss word. If I said that 299 more times it would be several hundred and I would just love to hear what stream had 300 cuss words in it. I mean I really like to cuss and when I am on the mic I make a concerted effort to stay as clean as possible and I know Chad does as well. So I would like to know exactly who said 300 cuss words in one of our streams because if you can prove to me that that happened I promise you that person will not be on the mic in the future.

Also as far as that one pocket tournament after the PPV coverage I don't even remember it. Not saying it didnt happen but if it did it must not have been that memorable.

For whatever reason you have a problem with TAR and that is fine. Our stuff is not for everyone and we know that. But please keep your statements about our work at least somewhat realistic.
 
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