Is this much different then Gene's Perfect Aim method?
Joe Tucker's Magic Eye
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This isn't totally accurate, because the camera doesn't see this the way your eyes would while playing. That blue stripe doubles-- and the midpoint is your target.
I know it looks a little strange, but if you think you're sighting accurately-- ha, give this little baby a test drive to see where you're really seeing.
The plastic is hard to see--- but you can see my reflection in it.
Thanks for the pic; that's helpful. It's pretty much the principle I imagined.
Interesting and straightforward idea (Joe's always are). I wonder how it works with dominant eye preferences...
pj
chgo
No, I didn't misread your post and No, the magic eye is not "brand new". I was lucky enough to be one of the first to test it about a year ago. Now that Joe is shipping them along with his third eye trainer, I am sure this will get a lot more noob postings.
This isn't totally accurate, because the camera doesn't see this the way your eyes would while playing. That blue stripe doubles-- and the midpoint is your target.
I know it looks a little strange, but if you think you're sighting accurately-- ha, give this little baby a test drive to see where you're really seeing.
The plastic is hard to see--- but you can see my reflection in it.
I suppose this tool would require that the 3rd Eye's forks be perfectly level, in order to have accurate and consistent feedback, right?
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I would speculate that it would work best if they were approximately equal, as taking aim at the midpoint visualized by two equal strength, and equidistant eyes, would be the apparently correct parallax solution.
A better application might be to set up an exact 30 degree cut, and see where in the "view finder", the ball edge is positioned. If it is anything other than dead center, additional work would be needed to determine if it could be corrected for by adjusting head position, or whether aim correction would be needed.
Interesting approach though.
This isn't totally accurate, because the camera doesn't see this the way your eyes would while playing. That blue stripe doubles-- and the midpoint is your target.
I know it looks a little strange, but if you think you're sighting accurately-- ha, give this little baby a test drive to see where you're really seeing.
The plastic is hard to see--- but you can see my reflection in it.
Is there a clear plastic sheet, supported by the 2 plastic tines, with the blue line printed on it?
Did a little searching, and found this:
Sorry guys, I have been slacking big time and meaning to get the video done for the magic eye for quite some time now and just can't seem to get'er done!
But I have been mailing them out to anyone that orders the 3rd Eye Stroke trainer and I send them the written instructions that I've attached here so everyone can see what it is and how it works.
Instructions are good but the diagram (stroke trainer) has the clip too far down the cue stick, should be on the ferrule.
I invented this after my eye therapist gave me similar eye exercises meant to get my eyes to work together better. To our luck it helps us align to the shot while also training our eyes, 10 minutes a day or before shooting really helps get the eyes off on the right track.
I'm moving this month and will have a new pool room to film in so vid should be done before
Nov or Dec.
Oh and thanks for the kind words and recommendations!!!))
Got it uploaded now, that was the prototype the newer version has one solid blue line that turns into 2 blue lines on both sides of the object ball when both eyes are operating together! It's pretty cooell.
attach:
Magic Eye word document.
via:
The Joe Tucker thread.
Dude, it's new to everyone but you. I got the 3rd eye yeeeears ago. It's not even on his website. I just heard of it from a recent thread. I'm not a noob.
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Did a little searching, and found this:
attach:
Magic Eye word document.
via:
The Joe Tucker thread.
Thanks for linking that other thread (from ten days ago) about this same product. Here's a post from Robert Raiford in that thread that echoes my question (or does my question echo Robert's?) about eye dominance:
pj
chgo
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PJ:
I'll try my best to answer your question after I've used this for a few days.
I'm right-eyed dominant. When you look at your OB target, there's more input from your dominant eye than your non-dominant eye--- which is why the cue being centered for this to work isn't exactly accurate. I believe that would only be true if both eyes were equally dominant (or someone doesn't have a dominant eye). Most people, I would think, position their dominant eye over their cue. If you do that, and you're looking down the cue... you have the biggest gap between the lines.
Given that (maybe I'm wrong, who knows, I'm not an eye doctor), there's only one position where your eyes can be where there's the biggest gap between the lines (this is the least parallax view as far as "how you see" is concerned).
You'll notice when you move your head to one side or the other slightly the gap shrinks quickly. Pair this with the 3rd eye forcing your tip to center gives you the best physical view of the shot.
I'll try my best to answer your question after I've used this for a few days.
I'm right-eyed dominant. When you look at your OB target, there's more input from your dominant eye than your non-dominant eye--- which is why the cue being centered for this to work isn't exactly accurate. I believe that would only be true if both eyes were equally dominant (or someone doesn't have a dominant eye). Most people, I would think, position their dominant eye over their cue. If you do that, and you're looking down the cue... you have the biggest gap between the lines.
Given that (maybe I'm wrong, who knows, I'm not an eye doctor), there's only one position where your eyes can be where there's the biggest gap between the lines (this is the least parallax view as far as "how you see" is concerned).
You'll notice when you move your head to one side or the other slightly the gap shrinks quickly. Pair this with the 3rd eye forcing your tip to center gives you the best physical view of the shot.
I wasn't referring to you as a noob. Sorry if you misread my post. I was speaking of any new posts regarding the magic eye from people that are just getting introduced to it.
Joe T
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1st Thanks for starting this thread Dave. 2nd, Me thinks someone has been pivoting into their shots and forks are getting in the way?? Keep the rounded arms in tact but if you want no forks (arms) cut the suckers off low on the other set of arms and you'll still be able to hold the card in there.
I've had the magic eye invention since I applied for the patent on the 3rd Eye years ago and use to hand make some prototypes for people to try out and have also been mailing them with 3rd eye orders for free for a few months to test market and such so some people have known about it for quite some time while others are just finding out about it.
Here's how I came up with it ; It's called the floating hot dog.
Stare at an object on the wall or somewhere 10-20 feet away now hold your hands in front of your face (4-8inches) with your 2 index fingers touching each other at the tips and the rest of your hand in a fist. When your finger are blocking the object start to slowly pull your fingers apart and you will still have the object covered by the floating hotdog. But the left side of the hotdog is actually the tip of your right finger (seen by your right eye) and the right side is the tip of you left finger seen by your left eye.
Go ahead try it out, you can make the floating hot dog shaped or like a little circle, just get your finger tips centered between your eyes and start to slowly move them back and forth. Easy for some while others with one super strong eye will have a tough time seeing it or will pull it over towards that strong eye from the git go, gotta be centered.
So I was sitting on the coach doing this and covering a coke can on the kitchen counter when I asked my genius draftsman buddy from Japan to make me a clear card with 2 circles on it that would fit in the 3rd eye clip. The funniest part was how he freaked out when he first saw 2 circles turn into 3! He backed off like it was voodoo. Magic eye was born.
(My friend Eddie, Thanks buddy! He helped me get started in the dvd biz by filiming and editing like crazy on the racking secrets and aiming workout book & dvds)
The bottom line on the product is this, to each their own. Meaning I believe it can help just about everyone in one way or another simply by hitting balls while working on their alignment & training their eyes to work better together. 1 eyed shooters easy, 1 blue stripe cover cb and ob, 2 eyed shooters 10 minutes a day or before you play, it really helps to get and keep your eyes on track.
Even if you want to use 2 eyes but keep your dominant eye over the cue stick you can find a picture that won't have the 2 blue lines perfectly balanced but will work for you and that's the picture you try to reproduce. Often when I start practicing and have the perfect picture (or think I do) I miss to one side or the other and I believe that's because at that time one eye is taking over too much or my head position is a little off.
I change my approach to shots when shooting them often by placing the stick under one eye or the other when I fall into shots and pivot over when I feel I've got it. But while practicing with magic eye I simply center the cue and hit about 10-20 shots getting both eyes on track and my stroke grooved. That's another nice bonus, watching the blue or 2 blue lines coming back and forth as you stroke the shot, it shows you if your cue is coming in or out. It's nice to video tape this from a head on position as the blue stripe covers your cue and from the correct angle will appear on your face. (Pic attached)
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I now find it easier to find the center of the CB with my "doubled-cue" while focusing on the OB. Another little move I got from that thing.
Everybody sees two images all the time, we just don't notice it when pointing something at a target because our brains ignore the image from the non-dominant eye, simulating "closing" that eye. When we do this we (unknowingly) position our finger in front of our dominant eye so that our dominant eye, our finger and the doorknob are all on one line and our non-dominant eye is off to the side. This allows us to line things up in the clearest, most accurate way (with one eye "closed"), yet still have the subconscious benefit of depth perception.
We can accomplish the same thing by consciously noticing the second image of our finger from the non-dominant eye and centering the doorknob between the two fingers with one finger pointing a little to the left of the doorknob and the other finger pointing a little to the right of it (as Joe teaches with his Magic Eye device). When the doorknob is exactly centered between the two images, our real finger is pointed directly at the doorknob, just as it was when we sighted it "with one eye closed". The difference is that now our real finger is centered between our eyes rather than lined up in front of our dominant eye.
The other difference is that we now have to center the target between two images rather than simply line it up with the single image from our dominant eye. It's like centering a rifle barrel between your eyes rather than sighting along the barrel with one eye as usual. Rather than just pointing the rifle at the target you'd have to point two rifle barrels off to the sides and center the target between them.
I think centering the target between two fingers (or rifle barrels, or cue sticks) is inherently harder to do accurately than lining one eye up with the finger/rifle/cue and simply pointing it at the target.
I don't know what this means about the usefulness of Joe's Magic Eye device. Maybe it's a godsend for those players who can't successfully ignore the non-dominant eye image (people with weak or no dominant eye? people who center their sticks between their eyes?). Maybe it's useful somehow for all players - I don't know. I'm just pointing this out (nyuk nyuk) for thought and discussion. I hope Joe sees this as constructive and not a criticism.
pj
chgo
P.S. All the above is also true for aiming a cue stick at a target from above, like in playing pool. To see this, just do the finger/doorknob thing with your finger below your line of sight.
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I imagine players with strong dominant eyes would align one of the blue stripes with the target and just ignore the other one. In that case the blue stripe acts just like the front sight on a rifle.
pj
chgo
Magic Eye with Stroke Trainer?
Can anyone who ordered the Stroke Trainer lately tell me if the Magic Eye still comes with it? I checked Joe's website, and couldn't find anything about the Magic Eye at all.
Thanks
Can anyone who ordered the Stroke Trainer lately tell me if the Magic Eye still comes with it? I checked Joe's website, and couldn't find anything about the Magic Eye at all.
Thanks
Joe just released his video for the magic eye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWf4Undkcls&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWf4Undkcls&feature=player_embedded
Mine did but I'm not sure if it does now. I think when I got mine it was in the initial stages and wasn't being marketed at the time.