CM360 Shaft with no ferrule for sales!!

Cuemaster98

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Hi Guys,

I've been having some success with selling these custom shafts with no ferrule locally for $110.00 plus each so I've decided to post some for sales on AZ. All these shafts come stand with premium layered Molavia Tip (Soft, Medium, Hard).

If anyone is interest, please let me know as I have about 10 shafts that ready to go and can be available for the following joint type (Unilock, Radial, 5/16-18,5/16-14 and 3/8-10). Please note these shafts has no ferrule and no collar and our layer tip acts as the ferrule that protect and enhances the quality shaft wood natural hit. As there are no ferrule, these shaft naturally are low deflection but has the solid feel of a regular quality shaft. It's like having the best of both world...natural 360 degree Low Deflection (similar to predator, ob1,etc) and the natural solid hit of high quality shaft wood.

I will post the shafts available up shortly so you can view the quality of each shaft. Here's some that are sold, each shaft is tested to ensure that it has the solid hit.

As for references, Jose Parica was one of the first that bought one of my shaft and played with it in the US open and mostly recently I made him 2 extra shafts for his tournament at Turning Stone. He really like the feel of the natural wood without the ferrule and will be using this as his playing shaft. Hopefully he'll win a major with it....LOL. I know there are also a few members on here that have tried these shafts so any feedback and comments are welcome.

I also have break shafts as well with a Joe Picone phenolic tip. I had one made for myself and it break and jump surprisingly REALLY good...feel like the ice breaker that I've tried but it has a cleaner hit!

The only problem with making these shafts is that it hard to find quality shaft wood as only a small percentage can be used.

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Hey Felix,

Not exactly sure but I think $110 is a good starting price, these shafts pictured are sold from $110.00 to $180.00. Guess which shaft got 180.00? The wood on it was wild and I didn't think it would play any good but turn off to be a great player. The owner loves it.

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I wish you whatever success you are entitled to.
The nature of my post is an attempt at clarification/correctness.

The ferrule-less shaft is not a new concept. The idea has been around for a while yet no reputable cue manufacturer has chosen to go that route. That in itself is interesting because any time a manufacturer can save a penny or two in the manufacturing process, they'd be all over it. Ferrules cost money.
The need for a ferrule on a shaft was realized long ago. It's purpose is to protect the end of the shaft wood from impact. Without it, it's like driving your car without bumpers. IMO, they are a disaster waiting to happen.

I have to take exception to your statement : "natural 360 degree Low Deflection (similar to predator, ob1,etc)".
The 1pc shaft will play differently depending on how it is rotated in your hand.
Ex: Hit an English shot and notice deflection. Rotate the 1pc shaft 90 degrees and hit the same shot. The QB deflects differently. Proven fact.
It's the nature of the wood itself as it pertains to orientation of the growth rings and grain. It flexes differently depending on how the shaft rotated.
The radially laminated shafts, such as Predator, OB, etc. were developed with these construction techniques in an effort to counter this condition (also to resist warping).
Claims of 360 degree low deflection from a 1pc shaft IMHO are highly suspect.
 
No one asked you for your opinion

Custom Cue Makers are suddenly not reputable manufacturers? After all the ruckus raised about cue makers bashing cue makers in the ask the cue maker forum, you come here and bash this cue maker's for sale thread? Classless. You owe the OP an apology and should edit your post.
 
Hi KJ,

I understand your points and I will probably have to do more research to get the facts on my claim of 360 low deflection. I had heard this from a reputable gentleman and took it as fact that a one piece shaft with straight grain from top to bottom will have natural 360 low deflection so not all one piece shaft will have this property. With a natural shaft...it doesn't matter how you turn it the point of deflection is the same where as with the predator the deflection can be different as each piece of the laminated maple construction has different density thereby produce different deflection point. Now all this is speculation but I based my claim for low 360 deflection based on the fact that the density for a quality one piece shaft is consistent especially those with natural straight grain for the length of the shaft. I believe it was the goal of Predator to replicate this effect as good shaft wood with straight grain are hard to come by and they play really nice with natural low deflection quality.

If you look at some of the high end cues currently on ebay with really nice pics....you notice how nice those shafts look but if you look carefully on all these cue..the grain on there are straight from top to bottom. I believe that if the layered tip replace the function of the ferrule it will have help reduce the weight of the shaft giving it low deflection property (tiny hole is also drill in the center) give the shaft the hit of natural wood compared to the hit of the ferrule material. Basically, it like having the best of both world....low deflection and natural feel from a one piece quality shaft.

This idea definitely has been around since the start of the game when someone came up with the idea of putting a leather tip on the wood. I don't know too many that are employing this concept but I am definitely for it. Cash cue got me into this crave and I just love the feel and hit of these shaft. They are plain and simple and definitely save me a lot of work not having to add a ferrule and collar even but the problem is as I mentioned is that quality shaft woods are hard to find. I believe Tony at Black Boar also employ this concept and I think you will start to see more and more cue builders going this route.

Here's an example:http://cgi.ebay.com/mcworter-1552-F...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45efeee225


KJ Cues said:
I wish you whatever success you are entitled to.
The nature of my post is an attempt at clarification/correctness.

The ferrule-less shaft is not a new concept. The idea has been around for a while yet no reputable cue manufacturer has chosen to go that route. That in itself is interesting because any time a manufacturer can save a penny or two in the manufacturing process, they'd be all over it. Ferrules cost money.
The need for a ferrule on a shaft was realized long ago. It's purpose is to protect the end of the shaft wood from impact. Without it, it's like driving your car without bumpers. IMO, they are a disaster waiting to happen.

I have to take exception to your statement : "natural 360 degree Low Deflection (similar to predator, ob1,etc)".
The 1pc shaft will play differently depending on how it is rotated in your hand.
Ex: Hit an English shot and notice deflection. Rotate the 1pc shaft 90 degrees and hit the same shot. The QB deflects differently. Proven fact.
It's the nature of the wood itself as it pertains to orientation of the growth rings and grain. It flexes differently depending on how the shaft rotated.
The radially laminated shafts, such as Predator, OB, etc. were developed with these construction techniques in an effort to counter this condition (also to resist warping).
Claims of 360 degree low deflection from a 1pc shaft IMHO are highly suspect.
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Had a few more people trying out the a conversion cue with one of my shaft locally yesterday at Master Billiard. Tournament director, Finiken, was amazed at how good they play. Most playerd didn't realize that they were shooting with a ferruleless shaft until I point out to them.
 
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Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Guys,

I've been having some success with selling these custom shafts with no ferrule locally for $110.00 plus each so I've decided to post some for sales on AZ. All these shafts come stand with premium layered Molavia Tip (Soft, Medium, Hard).

If anyone is interest, please let me know as I have about 10 shafts that ready to go and can be available for the following joint type (Unilock, Radial, 5/16-18,5/16-14 and 3/8-10). Please note these shafts has no ferrule and no collar and our layer tip acts as the ferrule that protect and enhances the quality shaft wood natural hit. As there are no ferrule, these shaft naturally are low deflection but has the solid feel of a regular quality shaft. It's like having the best of both world...natural 360 degree Low Deflection (similar to predator, ob1,etc) and the natural solid hit of high quality shaft wood.

I will post the shafts available up shortly so you can view the quality of each shaft. Here's some that are sold, each shaft is tested to ensure that it has the solid hit.

As for references, Jose Parica was one of the first that bought one of my shaft and played with it in the US open and mostly recently I made him 2 extra shafts for his tournament at Turning Stone. He really like the feel of the natural wood without the ferrule and will be using this as his playing shaft. Hopefully he'll win a major with it....LOL. I know there are also a few members on here that have tried these shafts so any feedback and comments are welcome.

I also have break shafts as well with a Joe Picone phenolic tip. I had one made for myself and it break and jump surprisingly REALLY good...feel like the ice breaker that I've tried but it has a cleaner hit!

The only problem with making these shafts is that it hard to find quality shaft wood as only a small percentage can be used.

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Hello,

My name is Kevin and I am sort of new in the forum. About these shafts, do you build them for 3/8-8 joint pins?

Thanks,

Kevin.
 
zomfg where has this thing been all my life!!!

I am picking up a shaft locally from Duc at Masters in queens. lemme say when I first tried this shaft, I was so confused... How does this thing not have any deflections and yet how does it feel so good.

Kk I'm going to try to describe the hit.
Duc let me test it on a SS 5/14x16 joint

Feel wise ... its solid wood --> straight vibration, no dampening effect that a lot of LD shaft technology employs.

Wood quality ... superb your looking at a straight grain, dense peice of wood buddy. for 13 mm taper no ferrell and no rings to still weight 3.9 oz (solid)

finally the HIT...
I've tried a many LD shafts
and ill rate them like this
#1 314 (pre-cat original), #2 WD 700, #3 Alpha Hybrid pro, #4 Tiger x, #5 OB-1, #6 314^2

Where does this shaft stand... hmmm I would hafta say right there with the 314 original. Comparison is made in consideration with feel, deflection and quality of action. But the 314 originals are so rare and expensive, plus used...

If your from NY area, try em out at master's... he's there on tourney nights esp fridays... he looks like the guy in the pic so theres no mistaking him. He'll be glad to let you try out his shaft/cues.
And if your not from the NY area... and you play pool, have you ever consider relocating? haha jking
 
CM ferrule-less shafts LD quality

Hey guys,
Sorry to re-add to my review but...

I am a conventional wood shaft user (okay maybe not anymore after this friday)
But besides that point, I feel more comfortable shooting low on a cueball to make long distance shots... then with top + english to pot a long distance shots.

You've all tried this shot... cue ball is at the far end of the table and your shooting off the rail (so top is your only option) with an object ball thats 2 feet from the pocket not too step of a cut (maybe 20-30 degrees off being straight to the pocket)
You shooting with 1 1/2 tips of top and either 1+ tip of right or left (b/c the set calls for it).
- With a conventional shaft you'll find that outside will be your friend and inside will be your enemy.. b/c of the simple fact your prolly more comfortable that way
however if your like most this shot is not a hanger maybe 7/10 times

When I used Duc's shaft, I was killing those shots with both inside and out. Just point and shoot... very predator-ish except with good feel.

KK enough of kissing Duc's butt.... he beat me last week at Master's to kick me out... I hate em. but can't deny his shafts work
---sam
 
No one asked you for your opinion
Custom Cue Makers are suddenly not reputable manufacturers? After all the ruckus raised about cue makers bashing cue makers in the ask the cue maker forum, you come here and bash this cue maker's for sale thread? Classless. You owe the OP an apology and should edit your post.
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it's really just a typical KJ post Tommy,but you're right he shouldn't have done it and it is classless.don't worry about it Duc.the shafts look good.keep on making them if everyone likes them.i'm sure parica knows a good shaft when he sees one.
 
Hi Sam,

Thanks for the feedback on the shaft. The win was sweet...that for making me wait till 2:30 Am in the morning to play my match with you in the last tourney that I lost to you. LOL.

I made a few more and hopefully will have sample of all 5 standard joint type that I can send around to anyone that wanting to try something new. Just let me know who want to try one and I'll have these sample float around...all I ask is that once you tried it to provide your feedback here on AZ and paid postage to the next person in line waiting to test the shaft.

As far as the natural deflection and all the science behind why a shaft hit better than normal, I think it just come down to quality of the shaft wood and tip. The standard tip I use in all these shaft are the hard and medium Molavia and think the quality of the tip help with replace the function of the ferulle.

As I said before, quality shaft wood are hard to find and I'm looking forward to acquire some more shaft wood at this year upcoming valley forge. I have about 300 plus shafts available in various stages right now and will probably goes through these by end of year. So far, I have made about 50 plus of these shafts with no ferrule and tested each and everyone to make sure it play solid.

Just recently, I made a shaft for an old adam cue that has a roll in the cue. The Adam cue butt weight in at 17.1 oz (has a really nice balance) and with the shaft that I made for it (4.2oz with brass 5/16-18 insert)....it play like the God of Pool himself made the cue. Every element fit and play sweet with that ping sound. I will post pics tonight...the shaft probably has a lot to do with it but I think every component in the cue count and sometime you just get the right element together and it play so nice. Of Course, I may be biased as I for some reason love the heavy cue. My keeper and player is also 21.5 oz and the shaft on that one is 4.4oz. The Adam is the only comparable cue to date. Pics will be posted tonight of the cue with the shaft.




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Hey guys,

KK enough of kissing Duc's butt.... he beat me last week at Master's to kick me out... I hate em. but can't deny his shafts work
---sam
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