AZ Buildoff Cues

Final summary of cues

First of all to be a part of this process was an honor.
Thank you Shawn for putting this together.
A GREAT big Thank You to all the cue makers for doing this also.

One thing was apparent while reviewing the cues.
EVERYONE has a different idea of what is a good playing cue to them.

My final thoughts on all the cues was that the shaft wood seemed to have different quality and grade between all of them.
One shaft in particular was almost unplayable as mentioned above with the warpage. ( This could be from the cues being shipped around in all the different climates). Who knows ??

The butts of the cues had different sizes as well.
If I were to pick a cue I could not.
I liked the butt size and balance of cue#5 and would prefer a shaft taper between cue#5 and cue#6.


Thank You again for the chance at reviewing the cues.

happy New Year to all on AZ.
 
Thanks Danny.

I know exactly where this is headed....Everyone has a different feel and different likes. Even if the cue you say is the worst cue in the bunch, that does not mean its bad. The worst cue to you, may very well be the best cue for me...Whereas someone may not like any of the cues.

This will give us a chance to see what types of cues we may want to purchase in the future....and if someone asks us for some feedback on a cuemakers cue we can at least give our opinions on the cue we tested....

Thanks for your reviews Danny, they are appreciated by me and the cuemakers involved



Shawn
 
I had the privilege of testing the cues and thought all the cues hit great.

I was surprised how similar 6 cues can play when built with the same guidelines and how much different they can look.

Each cue had it's high and low points.
 
I had the privilege of testing the cues and thought all the cues hit great.

I was surprised how similar 6 cues can play when built with the same guidelines and how much different they can look.

Each cue had it's high and low points.

I am with you there Scott..There really wasnt a cue in the group that I wouldnt buy...I had a cue that I liked the best, and a cue the least....but even the cue I liked the least I still would not hesitate to buy from that cuemaker.

My concern is the 1 cue that has a warped shaft. I think the shaft wood would have been a high quality for these cues. Simply because of how much they are going to be traveling, and how many diff hands they will go through. These cues will have the cuemakers names on associated with them at the end of the buildoff and I would hate for something like a shaft to make someone decide they didnt want to go with that particular cuemaker. I would like to see on video how bad the shaft actually is. I am not doubting Danny at all, but if its maybe a small wobble then maybe we can go with it....but if it looks like a boom a rang then I think we may need to have that cue sent to me and another shaft from that cuemaker made.

I dont know....what do you guys think?

Oh, and Scott...I have seen some of your cues on here and man...your doing an awesome job..Id love to have one of yours some day!
 
I have had 4 people send me messages about the 2 point sneaky pete..

AZ member Vasilios is the one who makes that cue...for me, that cue is a really good playing cue....one thing I didnt like about it was the G-10 pin. Although, I wouldnt hesitate to buy it if that is the only pin he would use( im sure its not though) Something else I didnt like about it was it was a tad big in the butt for my hand, I just seem to like a smller butt. But that being said, I still did like the cue.

Here is his AZ ID for anyone interested in his cues....they play really nice

http://forums.azbilliards.com/member.php?u=55296
 
The cue Danny described with a warped shaft does indeed have a warped shaft. It was warped when it arrived & i'm very much surprised that nobody has noticed it until now, which brings questions to my mind about who's testing these cues & what they actually know about cues. I'm in no way trying to damper the testers or ridecule anybody testing the cues, so please do not take this the wrong way. I'm trying to point out that one of the things to be judged is quality of the cue, and until Danny, I have not seen any reviews that are even remotely in line with actuality as I seen the cues here as they came in. I went over them all & noted the construction and fit & finish of every cue.

I won't give any review, ever. That's not my place. However, I am beginning to question the true cue knowledge of the majority of testers. The citeria was for the cues to be built with LOW FIGURE birdseye maple and either purpleheart or maple handle, could be wrapped or not. Three of the cues fit this even most basic criteria. The others are fancier due to high figure and one is not even remotely close to meeting criteria. However, these "pretty" cues are the very cues being chosen as best by the testers up until now. That's my fault for allowing them, knowing they didn't fit. But to my defense, if I had rejected the cues that didn't fit, there would be three cues to test instead of 7. I didn't forsee the bias a cues aesthetics would sway the judging of actual quality.

My point is that I think people should be very cautious from here out to judge the cues not by how they look but instead go at it with a completely unbiased approach. Judge the criteria given such as fit and finish, overall construction, etc. I have yet, with the exception of Danny, seen an accurate assessment of the cues in terms of construction and fit & finish. I'm speaking only in terms of construction and fit & finish. Playability was not my job to judge & I will not input anything there. My point here was to ensure the builders followed the rules as well enough to actually enter a cue, even though only three did. And i'm attemtping to ensure the judges please also follow the rules. If you do not understand certain criteria being judged enough to make a judgment, then feel free to email me & i'll explain it.

It is unfair to the builders to read false reviews & as such read into it as healthy feedback. Another thing, the warped shaft does in no way deter how that cue plays or how well it's built. It's wood & it could happen to any of the cues being tested. That should not be a determining factor in how the cue is judged. Given the chance, i'm sure the builder would undoubtedly replace that shaft for anybody who bought it. So please do not equate the warped shaft with low quality. Keep in mind wood is organic & no matter how much the builder does to keep it straight, it can move at any moment. Chances are good it warped by coming here to the desert from a much more humid area. I think it's fair to assume it was straight when it left the builder's shop.

Once more, judges, please be more in tune with the actual criteria given to be judged than how the cue looks aesthetically. It'll be more fair & far better feedback for all builders involved. The intention of this test is to give players a feel for what varying cuemakers can do, with unbiased reviews because nobody knows who is who. It's also intended to give unbiased, healthy & accurate feedback to the builders involved. So please do your best to keep things on a professional level with the only personal grading being that of how the cue plays for you & feels in your hands. Thank you.
 
Cue #2

ftgokie
Nice clean simple cue..
It felt good in my hand, balance was real good
Shaft wobbles a little when rolled on edge of the table
Has a good hit
Nice smoothe Irish Linen wrap
I rate this cue a 7

The review above is my review of the cue...so it was noticed before.

The shaft warpage was noticed in Olathe the weekend I recieved the cue. Myself, Pete Petree, and another cuemaker noticed it. I am just suprized nobody else noticed it till now. I know it wasnt just gawd aweful bad, but it did have a wobble...I know the cuemaker in question wants to make it right and has told me they will stand behind their product and want this fixed......we will get this shaft replaced.
 
AZ Buildoff Cue Review

Cue 1:

Craftsmanship: 10
Feel & Playability: 8.75
Overall: 9.375
RANKING: 3rd Place

Excellent leather wrap and craftsmanship. Hard noisy hit but played very well.

Cue 2:
Craftsmanship: 7
Feel & Playability: 7
Overall: 7
RANKING: 5TH Place

Shaft warped, nice finish/wrap, hard hit but ok.

Cue 3:
Craftsmanship: 6
Feel & Playability: 6
Overall: 6
RANKING: 6th Place

Poor finish that is flaking and too soft. Small ding UNDER finish, hit was just ok.

Cue 4:
Craftsmanship: 8
Feel & Playability: 8
Overall: 8
RANKING: 4TH Place

You can feel changes in materials (plastic to wood). Hit was just ok.

Cue 5:
Craftsmanship: 10
Feel & Playability: 9
Overall: 9.50
RANKING: 2ND Place

Excellent finish and craftsmanship. Very well balanced and great hit. I really liked this cue and it was a tough decision between this cue and cue 6. I liked the shaft taper on this cue better than 6.

Cue 6:
Craftsmanship: 10
Feel & Playability: 9.5
Overall: 9.75
RANKING: 1ST Place

Excellent finish and craftsmanship. Very well balanced and great hit. I really liked this cue also. Although the shaft taper was stiffer it seemed to be a little more efficient and a hair more solid than cue 5. Again it was a tough decision between this cue and cue 5 as to which cue was best.

SUMMARY: Cues 5 and 6 are very similar with the shaft taper and butt size being the biggest difference. I would buy both of these cues. They are both excellent players and the balance and craftsmanship is outstanding. I wouldn’t be surprised if they knew each other or have worked together. Cue 1 is a very well made cue but I didn’t like the hard hit (personal preference) and balance as well but still a very good playing cue. The other 3 cues are just regular cues that need improvement.
 
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TWOFORPOOL will send me the cues. I will send the cue with the bad shaft to the maker and a new shaft will be made. The cue will be sent back to me, and then I will send the cues to FastLenny to finish up the journey.

I just wanted to let everyone know. The cuemaker said they stand behind their product 100% and they want to make this cue right.

I have spoke with this cuemaker and I will let you know, they are absolutely Top Notch. And if you were to ever purchase a cue from them, you can rest assured that they will take care of you. This cuemaker also, is 1 of the cuemakers that delivered On Time! In fact, I think they were a little ahead of the deadline. When they say they will do something, you can take that to the bank!
 
TWOFORPOOL will send me the cues. I will send the cue with the bad shaft to the maker and a new shaft will be made. The cue will be sent back to me, and then I will send the cues to FastLenny to finish up the journey.

I just wanted to let everyone know. The cuemaker said they stand behind their product 100% and they want to make this cue right.

I have spoke with this cuemaker and I will let you know, they are absolutely Top Notch. And if you were to ever purchase a cue from them, you can rest assured that they will take care of you. This cuemaker also, is 1 of the cuemakers that delivered On Time! In fact, I think they were a little ahead of the deadline. When they say they will do something, you can take that to the bank!

I mailed all of the cues today to the address given. I insured them for 2,500.00 and the tracking number is: 2306 1570 0000 6108 9828 (this is the signature confirmation also).

Please let me know when you get them.
 
I mailed all of the cues today to the address given. I insured them for 2,500.00 and the tracking number is: 2306 1570 0000 6108 9828 (this is the signature confirmation also).

Please let me know when you get them.

Thanks Bob...I will post on here when I recieve the cues. I will send the cue to the cuemaker and they will make a new shaft for it and we will get this back on the road.....


FastLenny....let me know if you still want to recieve the cues or not. I will also send you a PM to verify.

Thanks
Shawn
 
There has been alot of pm's sent on who built which cue. You guys, I can tell you this, there are a couple of BIG names that have built a few cues. YOu absolutely will not be dissapointed......Alot of guesses on #1, #5 and #6......you guys are REALLY close..."somewhat"

Feel free to take a guess.....on who made which cue....

I will tell you this....the FIRST person to identify who made 4 of the 6 cues, I will personally buy you a choice of OTR T shirt, or a TAR Tshirt.

You must post the answers on the AZ Billiards Cue Buildoff Contest thread. At the END of the buildoff, I will let everyone know who made which cue and I will contact Lenny or Justin and buy you a shirt!

Let the games begin!
 
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Bem players

hey Budweiser Cue ya say. I know a Pool Room Owner that ran like 65 balls on ( The Miz) with one of those fine (China Specials). I waiting in line patiently for the cues- but that doesn't mean I have to like waiting. I will be doing something different with the cues. I will weigh them, take measure ments, find balance pts. Plus let a great number of people (hit a few balls).thanks in advance for any and all comments.
 
I just got all the cues. I will be sending the 1 cue out next week to have a new shaft made.
 
If you guys are NOT RED, you need to contact me so you can turn Red to let me know your still interested in participating.

I need copies of your Driv. Lic so you can recieve the cues. This will protect everyone involved and the cuemakers that donated the cues..

If you are BLUE...that means I have your DL Copy

Fast Lenny - Phoenix AZ

HollyWood - Minnesota Have DL copy

Brandoncook26 - Kentucky

shakes - Mississippi

Klink - NW Florida

John Biddle - Clearwater FL

Brozif - Virginia

Bamacues - Maryland

hellfish - Syracuse, NY

a9ballbr8k - Rochester NY

Then back to ftgokie in Oklahoma for the cues and case to be raffled off


Thanks
Shawn
 
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If you guys are NOT RED, you need to contact me so you can turn Red to let me know your still interested in participating.

I need copies of your Driv. Lic so you can recieve the cues. This will protect everyone involved and the cuemakers that donated the cues..

If you are BLUE...that means I have your DL Copy

Fast Lenny - Phoenix AZ

HollyWood - Minnesota Have DL copy

Brandoncook26 - Kentucky

shakes - Mississippi

Klink - NW Florida

John Biddle - Clearwater FL

gunzby - Hickory NC

Brozif - Virginia

Bamacues - Maryland

hellfish - Syracuse, NY

a9ballbr8k - Rochester NY

Then back to ftgokie in Oklahoma for the cues and case to be raffled off


Thanks
Shawn

Shawn, I am still interested in participating so PLEASE do turn me red. I will send you a copy of my DL as soon as I get access to a fax machine. Would it be possible I could take a picture of my license and send it to you that way? Let me know...either way is feasible, just if you want a fax it would take me longer. I could send it when I go back to school in a couple of weeks. Please let me know by pm. Thanks!!!!!
 
Shawn, I am still interested in participating so PLEASE do turn me red. I will send you a copy of my DL as soon as I get access to a fax machine. Would it be possible I could take a picture of my license and send it to you that way? Let me know...either way is feasible, just if you want a fax it would take me longer. I could send it when I go back to school in a couple of weeks. Please let me know by pm. Thanks!!!!!


pm sent.....................
 
Just a thought...think it would be cool to do the same thing with:

Short splice cues

Full splice cues

No limit cues

Would probably get some really talented folks some exposure. Would also be cool to require progress pictures.
 
Shawn, I'm still very interested in receiving the cues. I sent you a copy of my DL already, but I guess the picture was just not that visible, that's why I wrote all of the information along with it.

What I'm going to try now, is to take a picture of my DL with my cell phone. Hopefully that turns out better and I'll send that to you!!
 
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Shawn, I'm still very interested in receiving the cues. I sent you a copy of my DL already, but I guess the picture was just not that visible, that's why I wrote all of the information along with it.

What I'm going to try now, is to take a picture of my DL with my cell phone. Hopefully that turns out better and I'll send that to you!!

You are BLUE.....I have all the info I need.....when I get the cue back from a shaft being made from 1 of the cuemakers...I will send them on......with me being in St. Louis training I havnt had a chance to get the cue to the maker.....it will go out tomorrow or monday..

Shawn
 
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