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The people who think that slamming the 7 in with inside english and getting between the 8 and 9 must play on some VERY forgiving tables. That shot is very missable on tight equipment. I think playing position for the 8-9 combo is also kinda nutty.

Roll forward a few inches and bank the 8...it's the highest percentage for me anyway.
 
mullyman said:
You're kidding, right? A decent player is going to get almost perfect on that 8 every time.
MULLY
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I agree with you. I feel comfortable with this type of shot. Getting the 8 fairly straight is not that difficult and will pretty much make the rest of the game simple. If one completely butchers this position shot you will always have the bank or safe option.

It looks like getting a little off angle on the bank you might have a problem with controling the cue ball since the eight is to close to the rail.
 
If you don't want to shoot the bank from the rail, it is maybe easier to go two rails around for the eight than to slam the cueball to get a couple inches sideways.
 
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I'm not that great a player, and I just shot it on a 9 foot gold crown with tight pockets and went the 2 rail route, didn't have to "slam" the 7 ball and got perfect on the 8 and got out, I'm not trying to brag BY ANY MEANS, I'm saying If a player my speed knows this shot and can get out from here, I think the shot is possibly being over-thought.
 
Neil said:
Just tried this shot a few times, and a few different ways. Using a lot of left, it's not very hard to get decent shape on the 8 to the far corner.

Another option, that is easier than it seems, is just to go rail first on the 7. The cb comes right over between the 9 and 8. You just have to watch your speed on it.

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Are you sure you going to go to the rail first and make the 7 every time ?
No. Shoot the 7 straighi in .yes.Can you get perfect shape 0n the 8 everytime
going to the rail on the 7? No . Can you if you shoot the seven straight in?
Yes.Only 1 thing will stop this run dogging an easy bank shot on the 8.
 
CharlesUFarley said:
The people who think that slamming the 7 in with inside english and getting between the 8 and 9 must play on some VERY forgiving tables. That shot is very missable on tight equipment. I think playing position for the 8-9 combo is also kinda nutty.

Roll forward a few inches and bank the 8...it's the highest percentage for me anyway.
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Slamming the 7 in???? Dude, it's a medium stroke shot at best. The english is going to give you the speed off the cushion you need to get over there.
MULLY
 
Neil said:
Sorry, but having a bank on the 8 is NOT perfect shape "everytime". Having to bank the 8, no matter how easy you think the bank is, is what you do when you have no other options that are reasonable. Such as NOT being able to get shape on the 8. The bank is NOT a 10 out of 10 shot for anyone in a game situation.

All I'm saying is, try going rail first, see how you like it. If this shot is not in your arsenal, it needs to be.
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When I was younger, still in the B class, I used to like banking balls. I banked fairly well and had confidence. One day I was playing with this guy that was the head of the association at the time, great player, and he cut a ball into the corner that I would have banked. I asked him "Why didn't you bank it?" and his reply to me was "B-class players bank that shot, A class players cut it." 15 years later I'm now in the SA class and looking back at that shot he was 100% correct. The bank, although not a tough shot at all, is not the right call.

This shot here, the bank is not the right call. I don't really agree with rail first with the cue ball either. That is very missable. The inside spin 2 cushions can be done 99.99999% of the time.
MULLY
unless I'm mistaking the angle we have on this shot
 
There's really only one true way out of this......

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I suggest using a touch of left spin and keeping your cue level.
MULLY
 
Neil said:
Good post, and you brought up some good points. I'm not saying that rail first is necessarily the best option. In this case, spinning over is not hard at all. No one else even mentioned the rail first option, so I did. Rail first is very often overlooked when playing position, and it shouldn't be. When the ob is near the rail, with only a little practice, many would be surprised on how quickly they can become very accurate with this shot. It is a shot that should be in the players arsenal. And, a shot that deserved being mentioned in this thread.
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I use rail first a lot of times to get shape down at the other end of the table. Mostly only when I have a straight in shot and need to get back to the other end of the table. (or the other side in this case)
 
Neil said:
Good post, and you brought up some good points. I'm not saying that rail first is necessarily the best option. In this case, spinning over is not hard at all. No one else even mentioned the rail first option, so I did. Rail first is very often overlooked when playing position, and it shouldn't be. When the ob is near the rail, with only a little practice, many would be surprised on how quickly they can become very accurate with this shot. It is a shot that should be in the players arsenal. And, a shot that deserved being mentioned in this thread.
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Going rail first is certainly a viable option but I would be reluctant to try it with the seven ball so far from the pocket especially on a fairly tight pocket table. In this sequence if I'm going to miss a ball it will not be the seven ball.

For sure rail first sometimes will get you out of a lot of trouble but I don't think it's for this shot. We appreciate that you brought up this option.
 
Ya can't cut this one , Mullyman.

mullyman said:
he cut a ball into the corner that I would have banked. I asked him "Why didn't you bank it?" and his reply to me was "B-class players bank that shot, A class players cut it."

I may not be A class but I look at that skinny , ball -rattling , half a corner pocket up there and then if I make the 7 I hope to gosh my cue goes the two rails and lines up almost straight in to the corner pocket for the 8 or I have a tough cut there and if I make the eight then I have to go back and forth on the table to get good shape on the 9 ball. Whew! Tough out.

Or I can cinch the seven , come of the rail a little and have a high
percentage bank for the 8 into a FULL pocket and leave no effort position on the nine.

GEE, WHICH OPTION SHOULD I CHOOSE?

I guessI'll never be an A class player. :sad:
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mullyman said:
When I was younger, still in the B class, I used to like banking balls. I banked fairly well and had confidence. One day I was playing with this guy that was the head of the association at the time, great player, and he cut a ball into the corner that I would have banked. I asked him "Why didn't you bank it?" and his reply to me was "B-class players bank that shot, A class players cut it." 15 years later I'm now in the SA class and looking back at that shot he was 100% correct. The bank, although not a tough shot at all, is not the right call.

This shot here, the bank is not the right call. I don't really agree with rail first with the cue ball either. That is very missable. The inside spin 2 cushions can be done 99.99999% of the time.
MULLY
unless I'm mistaking the angle we have on this shot
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I agree cut the ball when ever you can to many variables in banking.
The cb and 7 are almost straight in. what does i would rather cut a ball then bank it have to do with this shot really?

You are asking alot on this shot because of the straightness of it and if you
where playing on tight pockets things get rougher.Im not saying it cant be done but if im getting 1 chance to get out the bank is on .
Just my opinion.

(ask to much from a shot tends to make the ball swell up)
 
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Inside follow seems to be the most obvious option if the angle allows for it....but the more I look at it, there doesn't seem to be enough angle. If its too straight, you'd run above the 8, rather then below it as diagrammed.

As for the rail-first option, the 7-ball is 3 full diamonds up the rail. Attempting rail first...lol...fun, but not practical. :)
 
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mullyman said:
he cut a ball into the corner that I would have banked. I asked him "Why didn't you bank it?" and his reply to me was "B-class players bank that shot, A class players cut it."

I may not be A class but I look at that skinny , ball -rattling , half a corner pocket up there and then if I make the 7 I hope to gosh my cue goes the two rails and lines up almost straight in to the corner pocket for the 8 or I have a tough cut there and if I make the eight then I have to go back and forth on the table to get good shape on the 9 ball. Whew! Tough out.

Or I can cinch the seven , come of the rail a little and have a high
percentage bank for the 8 into a FULL pocket and leave no effort position on the nine.

GEE, WHICH OPTION SHOULD I CHOOSE?

I guessI'll never be an A class player. :sad:
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Well, I surely wasn't intending to insult you or your playing. Just throwing out advice that I heard when I was in B class. Looking at the layout that was given I don't see any problem whatsoever getting over on that 8-ball. It does look pretty straight in but I think if you toss it up on a table like that you'll see there is more angle there than what this shows. If it was dead straight and I couldn't cheat the pocket, yeah, I may go for the bank.
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Another option that has been overlooked. Depending on how you are shooting that day, speed control etc..., and how sharp your opponent is, you could get away with a safety.....if you have the nuggets to give it a try.

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Nudge the 7 to the rail with the CB right in front of it and let him take a wing at it. I only advise this option for those that feel they can't get on the 8 or make the bank.
MULLY
 
And another viable option if you know your rails and have good speed control.......but if you can pull this off you shouldn't have a problem getting out. Gary Spaeth, God rest his soul, told me one time "A good safety is just as difficult as a good shot".

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not to mention you do leave the long rail bank back on the 7....but tough to get on the 8.
MULLY
 
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