poolhall smoking

I think beer stinks and its a proven fact that it causes brain damage and liver disease maybe it should also be ban..I smoke and I wish they would outlaw smoking and alcohol tomorrow that way everyone could witness the government colapse without the taxes. If you think the economy is broke now, take away the taxes from alcohol and tobacco and see what happens. I do not like the fact that Ohio is non smoking in the pool hall so I dont go. The government doesnt care if your buisness goes down its a numbers game for them. They believe what they lose in taxes in these places they can make up plus more in the fines. If the government finds that they were making more money from the taxes they will lift the ban....

This argument does not work, because you can choose to drink, and not affect someone else. However, if you choose to drink and kill someone while driving drunk, you ar egoing to jail. You can not smoke indoors without affecting others, so that changes the issue. What you choose to do to yourself is one thing, when it affects others health also, it is another.

Look at the statistics. In california, when the smoking ban went into affect, buisness decreased 20%, but then retuned, and in many places got stronger. There are less smokers than non-smokers, so it makes sense from a buisness stand point to be non-smoking.

People have a choice to go places they want to or not. However, I really don't understand the "I wont go there because it is non-smoking" on principal idea. You can always go outside and smoke, but someone with asthma, allergies, or simply health concerns cannot go into a smoking establishment and not be affected. It just makes sense to do the smoking outside with all of the strong research showing how much 2nd hand smoke affects people.
 
Jason Robichaud

People addicted can't exercise their option to not smoke so the government is helping with bans.

Now thats funny....If you think the government is instating bans to help the non-smokers you are very naive. If there was not room for more government profit it wouldnt happen..They dont distinguish the difference between smokers and non smokers....just high and low tax margins...If they make less money with the ban, it will get lifted...period
 
Now thats funny....If you think the government is instating bans to help the non-smokers you are very naive. If there was not room for more government profit it wouldnt happen..They dont distinguish the difference between smokers and non smokers....just high and low tax margins...If they make less money with the ban, it will get lifted...period

The ban will get lifted and only lifted when cancer stops killing and smoking is good for you...

People in Canada said the same thing as you years ago, you know what, never got lifted! Been years now! If you want to sell cigs here, they can't be on display. Any store displaying smokes are fined and can get the license to sell removed... Smoking in work place including vehicles, fine. Smoking with kids in car, fine. Smoking too close to building entrance, fine. Seems the government is thinking health, not taxes. They want people to quit.
 
This is an issue that will never be decided on a forum message board. It's certainly not fair to minimize how difficult it is for smokers to quit, the nicotine is sinister. On the other hand, it isn't fair to non-smokers to have to tolerate the smell, something that smokers don't even notice any more. That smell stays with you, all over your clothes, your hair and your skin.

If the non-smoker has any respiratory issues, they don't have the luxury of deciding how they feel about whether or not it's fair for pool-rooms to ban smoking.

To me, it seems more fair for the smoker to smoke in a place where it doesn't offend someone else. The non-smoker has no choice in the matter, whereas the smoker picks the time and place. (Though the smoker doesn't have as many choices lately, I'll grant you.)

Again, I don't minimize how tough it is for smokers to quit, if they even want to. But they have to realize it isn't just "their choice".
 
Jason Robichaud


The ban will get lifted and only lifted when cancer stops killing and smoking is good for you...

People in Canada said the same thing as you years ago, you know what, never got lifted! Been years now! If you want to sell cigs here, they can't be on display. Any store displaying smokes are fined and can get the license to sell removed... Smoking in work place including vehicles, fine. Smoking with kids in car, fine. Smoking too close to building entrance, fine. Seems the government is thinking health, not taxes. They want people to quit.

Notice how they all end in "FINE". I didnt say it was about taxes, I said its about money..
 
If smoke is so bad for you why go into a pool room exposing yourself to the above symptoms?

it's clear that druggie cig-suckers just don't get it. here it is in black and white: I DON'T CARE WHAT DRUGS YOU TAKE INTO YOUR OWN BODY. THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS. WHEN YOU FORCE ME TO TAKE YOUR DRUGS, THAT'S MY BUSINESS. ONE CIG-SUCKER IN A POOL HALL CAN RUIN THE AIR OF ONE HUNDRED NON SMOKERS.
 
The ban has been an issue for smokers here in the Uk too...

Here is my story...

I am 52 years old,
Have been playing pool since I was 16 and am a lifelong non-smoker.
Until the ban came in I had to endure a faceful of second hand smoke if I wanted to play pool.

Yes I had a choice, I could choose not to play the game we all love.
But I chose to continue playing despite the risks of second hand smoke,
After all it will never happen to me right???

Wrong!

Last October I was diagnosed with a rare and difficult form of Cancer.. at the base of my tongue.
Caused I am told almost certainly by my constant exposure to second hand smoke.

I have just completed an intense 7 week course of daily Radio AND Chemotherapy.
I am burned to hell on the inside and outside of my throat and neck.
I have been fed thru a tube in my stomach for the past 6 weeks..

Check out my blog here http://willybang.wordpress.com/

I have a 23.6% chance of being alive in five years time.

Thats the result of the choice smokers gave ME before the ban came in.
Is it really so much to ask that you smoke outside?

PS. My ambition for this year is to get well, practice my ass off and fly over for the US open in October.
Hopefully meet up with many of you there!
 
I quit smoking 9 years ago and I'm really unaffected for the most part by smoke in places I go, but the total ban in Michigan takes effect May 1st. I guess we'll all be able to see and breathe better, but I keep thinking:

I remember when pool rooms and bars were places where men drank, swore, scratched, gambled, sometimes fought, and even spit! Women entered at their own risk, but we were generally well behaved and enjoyed it when they did come. I miss those places.

I think that a bar owner, or the owner of a pool room, or even a restaurant for that matter, should have some rights after investing his money. He should be able to post a sign on the door that says "This Is A Smoking Establishment" or "This Is A Non-Smoking Establishment" . You could then either accept the rules there or go down the street, at your discretion. Why does government have to tell us what we can and cannot do ? I guess I'm a Libertarian...lol.
 
I quit smoking 9 years ago and I'm really unaffected for the most part by smoke in places I go, but the total ban in Michigan takes effect May 1st. I guess we'll all be able to see and breathe better, but I keep thinking:

I remember when pool rooms and bars were places where men drank, swore, scratched, gambled, sometimes fought, and even spit! Women entered at their own risk, but we were generally well behaved and enjoyed it when they did come. I miss those places.

I think that a bar owner, or the owner of a pool room, or even a restaurant for that matter, should have some rights after investing his money. He should be able to post a sign on the door that says "This Is A Smoking Establishment" or "This Is A Non-Smoking Establishment" . You could then either accept the rules there or go down the street, at your discretion. Why does government have to tell us what we can and cannot do ? I guess I'm a Libertarian...lol.

Great post ! very well said
 
I think it would be just fine...if they didn't exhale..most of the time the cigarette sits in the ash tray just burning till they remember it ..take another puff ..ect.ect..Easy Way to Quit Smoking by Allan Carr...for those thinkin of it
 
smoking

I think smoking bans are great (right or wrong,fair or unfair).

One negative consequence is the the pool halls are often freezing cold inside because of the smokers running in and out.
 
nice post!

No need for anyone to talk about smoking in public places anymore, there's hardly anywhere where you can, so why discuss it?

I smoke, I guess I can admit I'm weak and not strong enough right now to break something that is both physically and mentally addictive. I guess the same is said for all the people that are overweight and can't stop eating, or the people that are hooked on drugs and can't stop, or all the white collar crime we have, or men that beat women, or alcoholics. So our habit stinks, are the others any better? Our society is chock full of people with addictions. Some perpetuated by big business.

It's refreshing to know, that in the last 30 years or so, it hasn't been cool to smoke, all they've come up with to help people to stop smoking, is some damn gum. That ought to tell you something. It's been BIG money for alot of people.

Some of you weren't around when smoking was being pushed upon the public from about every possible angle. Some of you weren't around then and were not seduced by constant advertisements and peer pressure to take up smoking. And some of you have never had a serious nicotine habit.

I think it should be up to the room owner how he handles the smoking/non-smoking question and if you disagree with him/her ... go elsewhere. Governments are just too hypocritical in their treatment of "bad habits" to be trusted with that decision.

Do you have any bad habits? Drink a little too much on occasion or possibly not always stay away from others when you are sick? Pick a bad habit that you just can't seem to break... have any? If so, you should be humiliated, banned, and made to feel like a 2nd class citizen. :rolleyes:
 
Get Well

The ban has been an issue for smokers here in the Uk too...

Here is my story...

I am 52 years old,
Have been playing pool since I was 16 and am a lifelong non-smoker.
Until the ban came in I had to endure a faceful of second hand smoke if I wanted to play pool.

Yes I had a choice, I could choose not to play the game we all love.
But I chose to continue playing despite the risks of second hand smoke,
After all it will never happen to me right???

Wrong!

Last October I was diagnosed with a rare and difficult form of Cancer.. at the base of my tongue.
Caused I am told almost certainly by my constant exposure to second hand smoke.

I have just completed an intense 7 week course of daily Radio AND Chemotherapy.
I am burned to hell on the inside and outside of my throat and neck.
I have been fed thru a tube in my stomach for the past 6 weeks..

Check out my blog here http://willybang.wordpress.com/

I have a 23.6% chance of being alive in five years time.

Thats the result of the choice smokers gave ME before the ban came in.
Is it really so much to ask that you smoke outside?

PS. My ambition for this year is to get well, practice my ass off and fly over for the US open in October.
Hopefully meet up with many of you there!


Get well & God Bless. Please do let us know how you are doing from time to time.
And Yes. Smoking should be banned.
 
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I quit smoking 9 years ago and I'm really unaffected for the most part by smoke in places I go, but the total ban in Michigan takes effect May 1st. I guess we'll all be able to see and breathe better, but I keep thinking:

I remember when pool rooms and bars were places where men drank, swore, scratched, gambled, sometimes fought, and even spit! Women entered at their own risk, but we were generally well behaved and enjoyed it when they did come. I miss those places.

I think that a bar owner, or the owner of a pool room, or even a restaurant for that matter, should have some rights after investing his money. He should be able to post a sign on the door that says "This Is A Smoking Establishment" or "This Is A Non-Smoking Establishment" . You could then either accept the rules there or go down the street, at your discretion. Why does government have to tell us what we can and cannot do ? I guess I'm a Libertarian...lol.

Because people are addicted to cigs and can't stop. They are baby stepping the things out. Another 20 years, you will be hard pressed to find cigs. They kill too many people, money is no longer an issue. The next generation will not be exposed to smoking as an accepted behavior breaking the chain of this addiction. From what I have seen here in Canada, this is how it appears. They are really focusing on not allowing minors access, rather than getting adults to quit. It is like recycling... years from now everyone will do it because they won't know any other way.
 
I know this has been covered before but I thought of something new. I've managed to out run the nuts for the last 3 years and not catch a cold until yesterday. So I wanna go practice but I can't because smokey poolhalls make the cold worse and last longer.

Anyways I was dating a girl that runs marathons and she has asthma a little. So she wouldn't go inside a smokey poolhall because it messed her lungs up.

My question is this. What if 10 top pros couldn't go inside a smoking poolhall due to medical reasons? What if the pro couldn't afford a table at home or couldn't fit one at home to practice on?

Let's hear a logical explanation from the people that think smoking indoors is ok?

They'd go to a hall that was smokefree.

If a pool hall owner REALLY owns his place*, HE, not you or us or govt, makes the rules for it. Now if you or us hire the govt goons with their guns to make the rules, then the pool hall "owner" is merely a serf and all of these questions instantly become moot for us.

Jeff Livingston

* Property is defined here quite well.
 
I think smoking bans are great (right or wrong,fair or unfair).

One negative consequence is the the pool halls are often freezing cold inside because of the smokers running in and out.

Another is that my wife won't go to the pool hall with me because of all the "creepy people" outside smoking. She was very intimidated by them apparently, not to mention they don't move out of the way and block foot traffic. I predicted that those folks would get the attention of the public and soon will be banned from standing outside smoking, which if you think about it makes more sense than banning actions on private property, visible to only patrons.

Otoh, I enjoy crossing the threshold of the pool hall as I get a whiff of the smoke that I associate with pool. ahhhhh....a little touch of heaven. (btw, I don't smoke)

Jeff Livingston
 
IF smoke is so bad for you? How is it an "IF" ?

If smoke is so bad, why hasn't the government made cigarettes illegal?
(Could it have anything to do with all the tax money they collect off them?)

Steve
 
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I will miss nights during the league because I know that the place will be too smokey.

Smoke messes up my eyes, burns my lungs and makes me and my clothes smell.

It is no fun to wake up during the night and feel like gravel is in my eyes, and nose plugged and then still suffer the next day.

There are people that invite me to play at their house. I will go a few times but if there is smoke gets too bad I quit going there.

To say I have a choice is true but why should someone that smokes be able to drive others away because they cannot tolerate the smoke? Most of the time the smokers are out numbered by the non smokers but all it takes is a few cigarettes to contaminate the area. The ironic part is when the smokers complain that the smoke is really bad and something needs to be done, ie that the owner needs to do something to correct the problem.
 
North Carolina as of the 1st of 2010 BANNED smoking in public bars (including pool halls with or without booze) and left non-profits and country clubs out of the ban, (probably political). Some places here immediately posted no smoking signs and remove ashtrays, etc.. Others are either sneaking ashtrays out occasionally or just ignoring the ban. One has refused a citation for breaking the law and told authorities to take it up with their lawyer. Each place took a different stance FOR or AGAINST smoking and for many reasons other than just obeying the law. The enforcement by the County Health Dept. requires them to go to places (after 8am to 5pm typical work hours) and extra costs are being created to have a "police dept." for after 5pm "raids".
Laws on the books are OFTEN either ignored or unable to be enforced due to $$$ required to enforce the law. We in N.C. will see which side will win !
 
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