Hey Donny see what you started... i hope you run for FL. Gov or something you got my vote..
poolhall smoking
- Thread starter donny mills
- Start date
Hey Donny see what you started... i hope you run for FL. Gov or something you got my vote..
Good point there Jim.................
Good down to earth common sense. I like that....:groucho::clapping::rotflmao1:
Good down to earth common sense. I like that....:groucho::clapping::rotflmao1:
They used to have that in a bottle.
It was called Morning Breeze. They sold it in a little bottle. Someone opened it up on the school bus. It's pretty Nasty stuff.
:help::nono:
It was called Morning Breeze. They sold it in a little bottle. Someone opened it up on the school bus. It's pretty Nasty stuff.
:help::nono:
No, you have some input, too. So does the insurance company, private rating agencies, manufacturing groups, etc.
So, you're saying the owner doesn't care about his own property as much as you do or at least enough to keep from burning it down and maybe dying in the process? lol You've made the very common error, propagated by the publick skools mostly, that without govt force, NOTHING would be safe! OMG! Do you know the UL, which is responsible for wiring in appliances is a PRIVATE orgainzation that appliance makers all VOLUNTARILY succumb to? You know why they do? Because these companies are filled with greedy people! Without the UL seal of approval, they don't sell. No guns necessary!
Lol. So, now the pool hall owner is responsible for OTHER business's environments being bad, too? OMG! Pass a law!
So, it is NOT smoking that is bad, but the owners making bad decisions. How about the owner right here on this thread that made a good decision for his customers and employees by investing $10,000 in a smoke controller only to have the non-smoking law 6 months later make that decision really stupid and costly? How about his good decsions that was made bad by the likes of you and yours? How about YOU refund his $10K? wouldn't that be fair? After all...
You mean the asbestos that the govt originally said was safe and used by the govt everywhere.....THAT asbestos?
Jeff Livingston
Maybe they can ban anything. After all, it's the big bad EEEEEEVILLLL government, out to take all our freedoms and liberties away, all in the name of stomping all over the common man.
Yup. I bet banning pool-playing is right up their on the list of things to ban.
As opposed to actually trying to make a proven harmful KILLER less available to folks, and thus trying to discourage it's continued use, not to mention limiting exposure of said KILLER to those who aren't trying to consume it.
I know, you aren't paranoid, you KNOW they're out to get you, right?
Here is the really biggest killer.
This isn't funny or trite. It is just another part of the process.
Jeff Livingston
Of course pool playing hurts people.
You have't been paying attention. Read the history on pool hall control-freaks...it is quite huge!
Think of all the young people whose lives are being wasted as we speak.
Look at those low-lifes standing outside the pool hall smoking and influencing the children walking by.
Sumtin needs to be done!
Jeff Livingston
It is NOT that simple, Jim. Read the thread, re property rights. You're confused on the defintion of "public" property.
Jeff Livingston
On your property, go ahead.
On the hall owner's property? Better ask permission first...s/he might not like that and it is HIS place, after all. Right? Or doesn't he have a say in it?
Jeff Livingston
"The tail wagging the dog......The squeaky wheel gets the grease......The minority speaks, EVERYBODY listens".
Once the non-smoking law is in effect, only ONE complaint about an establishment not obeying the law can (over time) ultimately shut down the place!
Once the non-smoking law is in effect, only ONE complaint about an establishment not obeying the law can (over time) ultimately shut down the place!
Why would he complain? It's freshening up the air.
Plus i'm sure he'd understand if one of his patrons was ignorant enough to puff smoke directly in my face like most entitlement minded smokers have been guilty of at one point or another.
If that were the case, i'm sure the owner would appreciate it.
If he were to ban Lysol, because the SMOKERS complain, that would be funny.
If I have a party at my house and invite 50 people, I get to decide if I will allow smoking at the party or not. It is, after all, my house. You can decide to attend or not. It's your choice.
If I own a pool room, how is that any different?
Steve
If I own a pool room, how is that any different?
Steve
I just find it amazing that people are willing to dictate the rights of a property owner and influence his ability to feed his family based on their own judgement. Instead of simply taking your business elsewhere, you want to force him to follow your rules. It seems like all of you would argue that it's unhealthy and it effects other people.
Other things that are unhealthy and effect other people:
Obesity - hell, even I carry around a few extra pounds I don't like. We know it's unhealthy and leads to heart disease. We know it not only adversely effects the individual, but their friends, family, and others depending on the situation. Let's ban fatty foods, and while we are at it, everyone must complete an hour of exercise every day, so they don't adversely effect themselves and others.
Speeding - we know that speed kills, and a higher rate of speed in an accident causes more likelihood of injury or death. With a speed limit of 55mph everywhere, there would be less chance of death. Actually, with 40mph, we would save more lives. Oh, and we could put a governor on all cars to make sure they cannot exceed that speed. Why do we need cars that can go faster than the law?
Contact sports - we know that contact sports effects a persons quality of life, look at some of the retired boxers and football players that can't walk. Since it hurts themselves, their families, and their friends (ie, others), let's make them illegal.
Birth - stats show that criminals, especially violent criminals, often come from impoverished families or broken homes. They not only hurt others, but they cost societly billions every year. We should regulate births - if you can't afford to provide for your child, you can't have one. Welfare impacts society as we pay for your kids, so you don't get one. I'm not talking about abortion - you need to provide financial responsibility before the govt will unlock your chastity belt.
This arguement of harming others is a slippery slope. 50 or so years ago doctors smoked and there was really limited discussion around the impact on health. In 50 years, what will we discover???.....do I have to give up chicken fried steak or yummy french fries, will we stil have football, can I only drive 40 mph (or will I even be allowed to drive or will the computer do it), will my grandson need a birth ticket to have a kid?
I'm sure those on the other side of this topic will write these examples off, but there is a bit of logic here, at Donny's request :wink:
Other things that are unhealthy and effect other people:
Obesity - hell, even I carry around a few extra pounds I don't like. We know it's unhealthy and leads to heart disease. We know it not only adversely effects the individual, but their friends, family, and others depending on the situation. Let's ban fatty foods, and while we are at it, everyone must complete an hour of exercise every day, so they don't adversely effect themselves and others.
Speeding - we know that speed kills, and a higher rate of speed in an accident causes more likelihood of injury or death. With a speed limit of 55mph everywhere, there would be less chance of death. Actually, with 40mph, we would save more lives. Oh, and we could put a governor on all cars to make sure they cannot exceed that speed. Why do we need cars that can go faster than the law?
Contact sports - we know that contact sports effects a persons quality of life, look at some of the retired boxers and football players that can't walk. Since it hurts themselves, their families, and their friends (ie, others), let's make them illegal.
Birth - stats show that criminals, especially violent criminals, often come from impoverished families or broken homes. They not only hurt others, but they cost societly billions every year. We should regulate births - if you can't afford to provide for your child, you can't have one. Welfare impacts society as we pay for your kids, so you don't get one. I'm not talking about abortion - you need to provide financial responsibility before the govt will unlock your chastity belt.
This arguement of harming others is a slippery slope. 50 or so years ago doctors smoked and there was really limited discussion around the impact on health. In 50 years, what will we discover???.....do I have to give up chicken fried steak or yummy french fries, will we stil have football, can I only drive 40 mph (or will I even be allowed to drive or will the computer do it), will my grandson need a birth ticket to have a kid?
I'm sure those on the other side of this topic will write these examples off, but there is a bit of logic here, at Donny's request :wink:
Well, for one thing, people aren't paying to attend your party.
While for the most part, people are paying to play pool.
Two different models.
Oh, when I hold a party, everyone brings beer, so in effect, they are paying.
Many pool rooms in our area offer free pool every afternoon, so nobody is paying.
You threw in a strawman trying to muddy the waters. The fact is, if it is my property, I get to make the rules.
If you choose to come to my property, you must agree to those rules. Otherwise, you can choose to go to someone elses property where you like the rules better.
Steve
Here's how the control-freaks do it...
First they define the word, "public" to mean any business that invites patrons from the general population (where else would they come from?). Even though the owner has to pay for everything, it becomes "public" because he is striving for patrons from the public. lol...it's true. (I'm just pointing this out, I don't agree to it.)
Then with thatfalse label attached, it makes it much easier to trick the public into giving up control of their private properties. "It's a public business, so they have to follow our heath codes," is but one example of a step in the process of taking over. It matters not if the business has actually harmed anyone, they must be controlled!!!!!!
Attach a property tax to it. Now, you have to pay the tax, right? So, you have to follow all the rules the taxtakers make up, right? It's all about your civic "duty" now, another false label.
Next they find one business that is violating their code and BAM! make an example out of him, deride him in the local editorials, cry about his lack of concern for the children, equate him with terrorists, indignent "saviors" point at his evil, etc.
Now, claim that smokers are assaulting non-smokers in public. This works as the public has by now has been led into believing that such business owners are evil, greedy, selfish, unsafe, anti-American, etc. and that only the "benevolent" govt can save the public (there's that word, again) from such cretins and the ones they allow onto their--err. public---property.
Do it with smokers, food, parking, disability access, etc, etc etc etc etc etc. and pretty soon, they own and control everything, including pool.
Jeff Livingston
Your house is private............
The poolhall is open to the public.
I just got done getting my second to last weeks in pool league to qualify for the BCA,VNEA,ACS and a couple of more. My eyes are so foggy today I can't see the keyboard today. The smoke didn't seem that bad until I got out of it. My nose burns today and my eyes hurt.
I can't even believe that anyone on this site is argueing about rights of a smoker. It seems pretty senseless. I don't get it.
Basicly the public has screwed up by not stopping this rediculous making people sick habit from being forced on everyone else just by being there to try to enjoy something else. We're just getting it right finally.
I remember when they first started the non smoking section in the restuarants. How foolish was that. All it did was stop someone from blowing it in your face directly.
I'm like a prisoner here in wis if I want to practice or play in any tournys here. I'm sick for about 5 days after being in the smoke. Many people get sick from it in many different degrees. But they get sick.
I personally think the smoking bans are a no brainer.
Plus it might help clean up this dungy dirty image that smoking poolhalls portray. Once a person gets used to playing in smoke free poolhalls and they go to another state they all respond to it by saying , you got to be kidding, I didn't think it was that bad when you could smoke in our state. But it's horrible.
The people sticking up for the rightds of smokers in public places and business don't have a lung to stand on anymore .
Need I say more........................:bash::yeah::clapping:
I drive 2 hours to Minneapolis to give lessons and practice.
The poolhall is open to the public.
I just got done getting my second to last weeks in pool league to qualify for the BCA,VNEA,ACS and a couple of more. My eyes are so foggy today I can't see the keyboard today. The smoke didn't seem that bad until I got out of it. My nose burns today and my eyes hurt.
I can't even believe that anyone on this site is argueing about rights of a smoker. It seems pretty senseless. I don't get it.
Basicly the public has screwed up by not stopping this rediculous making people sick habit from being forced on everyone else just by being there to try to enjoy something else. We're just getting it right finally.
I remember when they first started the non smoking section in the restuarants. How foolish was that. All it did was stop someone from blowing it in your face directly.
I'm like a prisoner here in wis if I want to practice or play in any tournys here. I'm sick for about 5 days after being in the smoke. Many people get sick from it in many different degrees. But they get sick.
I personally think the smoking bans are a no brainer.
Plus it might help clean up this dungy dirty image that smoking poolhalls portray. Once a person gets used to playing in smoke free poolhalls and they go to another state they all respond to it by saying , you got to be kidding, I didn't think it was that bad when you could smoke in our state. But it's horrible.
The people sticking up for the rightds of smokers in public places and business don't have a lung to stand on anymore .
Need I say more........................:bash::yeah::clapping:
I drive 2 hours to Minneapolis to give lessons and practice.
I wish you the best and I'm also a non-smoker whose had to endure smoke from smokers when I went out to play pool for many years. So I love to play pool, but if I go to a bar or pool room to play it's full of smoke and if I want to play I have to put up with the smoke. Some smokers say if you don't want to breath the smoke don't go play pool. Is that fair to non-smokers? Should I have to quit one of my favorite hobbies because others smoke where I play pool? One of my least desirable places to play pool where I live is in an area where a new ordinance was recently passed banning smoking in public places. The people who want to smoke just step outside to smoke and then come back and play pool. It works well and I don't see why it isn't this way everywhere.
James
