Work on GC1 sub-rails
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Because the mechanic that did this didn't like the Super speed cushions or the reliability of them, so he did what he thought would work. By simply installing K66 profile cushions to replace cushions on rails designed for K55 cushions the nose of the K66 cushions would be at 1 9/16th's high causing the rails to play dead by pinching the balls. So by mounting the cushions a little lower than the K55 cushions were mounted, the nose height was at 1 7/16"ths where it needed to be, but that left a step on the top of the cushions where they were bonded to the sub-rail liner, thus the belt sanding to remove that step in a down-ward angle to blend it into the top of the cushions, problem is because of the mounted profile of the K66 cushions on the wrong sub-rail bevel, the cushions still pinch the balls causing the balls to bank short and table to play slower than normal, but still playable.
Trying to restore the sub-rail to factory settings is not an easy job, so all these tables have been passed over from restoration by everyone that has worked on them since then, so none of these tables still play right today.
Now, with my special tooling, repairing all these GC's is just basic, so my tooling in the hands of the right mechanics, these tables today can be corrected. If the Artemis K66 pool cushions were the cushions installed before, then the sub-rails can be corrected to use that profile of cushion correctly on the GC's, thus problem fixed
Glen
Just take a look at how clean it's turning out already...and I'm not even done yet
The pics actually don't do the result justice. I had a first hand look at the results and they were amazing. The cuts were extremely straight and to achieve this type of finish level is remarkable.
I was pretty upset to find that the tables had the wrong cushions installed on them. :angry:
Glen has me jazzed about the post surgery playability. Should this work as anticipated (I don't forsee why it will not), I have ten others awaiting his touch.
I will post the results.
Clark Smith
Malarkeys Pool and Brew
Tacoma, WA
I think it's a left coast thing.
Ernesto thing.
There's a few guys doing it this way.
One of them I think.Because the mechanic that did this didn't like the Super speed cushions or the reliability of them, so he did what he thought would work. By simply installing K66 profile cushions to replace cushions on rails designed for K55 cushions the nose of the K66 cushions would be at 1 9/16th's high causing the rails to play dead by pinching the balls. So by mounting the cushions a little lower than the K55 cushions were mounted, the nose height was at 1 7/16"ths where it needed to be, but that left a step on the top of the cushions where they were bonded to the sub-rail liner, thus the belt sanding to remove that step in a down-ward angle to blend it into the top of the cushions, problem is because of the mounted profile of the K66 cushions on the wrong sub-rail bevel, the cushions still pinch the balls causing the balls to bank short and table to play slower than normal, but still playable.
Trying to restore the sub-rail to factory settings is not an easy job, so all these tables have been passed over from restoration by everyone that has worked on them since then, so none of these tables still play right today.
Now, with my special tooling, repairing all these GC's is just basic, so my tooling in the hands of the right mechanics, these tables today can be corrected. If the Artemis K66 pool cushions were the cushions installed before, then the sub-rails can be corrected to use that profile of cushion correctly on the GC's, thus problem fixed
Glen
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Yep, that has K66 cushions on it. If you look at the center of the cloth on the top of the cushion you can see how it dips in the center, that's because the top of the sub-rail instead of being flat, is at a down-ward angle, then the cushion instead of coming straight out from the rail, humps up the nose of the cushion, so you kind of like have a valley in the top of the rail between the Formica and the nose of the cushion
Glen
Yep, that has K66 cushions on it. If you look at the center of the cloth on the top of the cushion you can see how it dips in the center, that's because the top of the sub-rail instead of being flat, is at a down-ward angle, then the cushion instead of coming straight out from the rail, humps up the nose of the cushion, so you kind of like have a valley in the top of the rail between the Formica and the nose of the cushion
Glen
Yup.
And it rebounds short. Specially when the ball is frozen on the rail. Lots of double-kisses.
Am really disappointed. I paid good amount to have the original Monarch cushions taken out and replaced with Artemis.
The old Monarch played better than this.
I can still remember back to a time when everyone for the most part tried to flame me over this very subject
but I didn't back down,...or go away:grin:Glen
Here's some more pictures of the sub-rails being worked on, and pockets tightened to 4 1/2" corners, and 5" sides. Look and see if you can see just how straight the sub-rails are when you turn them around and put them face to face.
WOW!
4 1/2 corners and 5" sides are just perfect imo too.
I can see the top will flow with the cushions too .
4 1/2 corners and 5" sides are just perfect imo too.
I can see the top will flow with the cushions too .
I didn't want to name names and start another ruckus.
Glen - are you re-cutting the angles on the subrails to accept the K55 cushions again? Unless I missed it, I didn't see in your posts which profile they are cut for. If they are K66, the only problem I would see arising would be 25-30 years down the road when we're all gone. If/when cushions are replaced and the mechanic assumes since it's a GC that it requires K55 and doesn't measure the cushions. The table would be back in the same predicament with balls hoping.
As usual, great work Glen!!!
As usual, great work Glen!!!
We had talked about this about a week or so ago.
In this instance he doesn't have to recut since the original angle was not modified.
He's replacing the top part of the the subrail that was sanded down to match the top of the wrong cushions
that were installed low on the rail.
The replacement piece is then cut to match the angle of the rest of the subrail.
What he's using tho he can easily recut any angles if necessary.
