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Glen and I have been talking about how we can make the Diamond tables play absolutely perfect, and he has got the right formula this time. A player..not going to say who...ask me to put different cushions on the diamond 7 ft. smart table to slow the spring on the cushions down, because he had a big match to gamble on. I told him that I wasn't about to put Championship cushions on a Diamond table. He said I got the Championship on my smart table at home, and there is no other table in the country that plays as good as mine. I told him that I was about to get info from Glen..whom by the way delivered the table to this guy's house...The info Glen and I spoke of, we both agreed I could do the work with his special
tooling, and have the table play better then his at home. The guy said there's no possible way....I said well we will have to see when I done. I'm not going to go into just what we talked about, or just what I did....I'll let Glen tell you when he's ready. All I can say right now is Glen was 100% right on the mark with everything we talked about....and that certain player that ask for the table to be done...and also paid for the job, played all night on the table gambling, comes over to me after 6 hrs. playing and says, I have to hand it to you, this table plays better than any table in the world.

Look' I don't mean it a way to say look at me....all I did was follow what Glen and I agree on...and used his special tools for the job.

I hit balls on the table, and so did 20 other players...everyone just loves the table.
Glen has gotten it down perfect on this one...trust me:smile::smile::smile:

Thank you Glen...you made me look smarter than I am....:grin-square::grin-square:

Call ya later

Mark Gregory
 
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perfectpocketz said:
Glen and I have been talking about how we can make the Diamond tables play absolutely perfect, and he has got the right formula this time. A player..not going to say who...ask me to put different cushions on the diamond 7 ft. smart table to slow the spring on the cushions down, because he had a big match to gamble on. I told him that I wasn't about to put Championship cushions on a Diamond table. He said I got the Championship on my smart table at home, and there is no other table in the country that plays as good as mine. I told him that I was about to get info from Glen..whom by the way delivered the table to this guy's house...The info Glen and I spoke of, we both agreed I could do the work with his special
tooling, and have the table play better then his at home. The guy said there's no possible way....I said well we will have to see when I done. I'm not going to go into just what we talked about, or just what I did....I'll let Glen tell you when he's ready. All I can say right now is Glen was 100% right on the mark with everything we talked about....and that certain player that ask for the table to be done...and also paid for the job, played all night on the table gambling, comes over to me after 6 hrs. playing and says, I have to hand it to you, this table plays better than any table in the world.

Look' I don't mean it a way to say look at me....all I did was follow what Glen and I agree on...and used his special tools for the job.

I hit balls on the table, and so did 20 other players...everyone just loves the table.
Glen has gotten it down perfect on this one...trust me:smile::smile::smile:

Thank you Glen...you made me look smarter than I am....:grin-square::grin-square:

Call ya later

Mark Gregory
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thats great that this issue has been resolved but would be careful! Hope old cloth was used for the trial
 
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I'm having a hard time with this thread, My first question( about 100 more so look out)? does Diamond support this change to their tables?
 
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OTLB said:
I'm having a hard time with this thread, My first question( about 100 more so look out)? does Diamond support this change to their tables?
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Who the hell cares if Diamond supports this. Does Brunswick, Olhausen,Valley or any other manufacture support subrails? When you buy the table, it is yours. You do what you want. I suppose you have never made a table play better.:confused:
 
perfectpocketz said:
Glen and I have been talking about how we can make the Diamond tables play absolutely perfect, and he has got the right formula this time. A player..not going to say who...ask me to put different cushions on the diamond 7 ft. smart table to slow the spring on the cushions down, because he had a big match to gamble on. I told him that I wasn't about to put Championship cushions on a Diamond table. He said I got the Championship on my smart table at home, and there is no other table in the country that plays as good as mine. I told him that I was about to get info from Glen..whom by the way delivered the table to this guy's house...The info Glen and I spoke of, we both agreed I could do the work with his special
tooling, and have the table play better then his at home. The guy said there's no possible way....I said well we will have to see when I done. I'm not going to go into just what we talked about, or just what I did....I'll let Glen tell you when he's ready. All I can say right now is Glen was 100% right on the mark with everything we talked about....and that certain player that ask for the table to be done...and also paid for the job, played all night on the table gambling, comes over to me after 6 hrs. playing and says, I have to hand it to you, this table plays better than any table in the world.

Look' I don't mean it a way to say look at me....all I did was follow what Glen and I agree on...and used his special tools for the job.

I hit balls on the table, and so did 20 other players...everyone just loves the table.
Glen has gotten it down perfect on this one...trust me:smile::smile::smile:

Thank you Glen...you made me look smarter than I am....:grin-square::grin-square:

Call ya later

Mark Gregory
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Thanks for the post Mark. I know Glen has been working months on getting the tooling the way he wants it. I will be getting a set of tooling soon and look forward to capabilities it will bring. Its nice to hear its approval from a top ranked mechanic.
 
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Thanks for the post Mark. I know Glen has been working months on getting the tooling the way he wants it. I will be getting a set of tooling soon and look forward to capabilities it will bring. Its nice to hear its approval from a top ranked mechanic.
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Great SD!
You can take that tooling to the local hall which have F'd up rails.
The owner might have a heart attack after he sees he spent all that money on Artemis and so many tables are messed up. Oh, the 4 1/2" corners vary table to table too.:eek: +- 1/4 of an inch. :eek:
Nice hall though. Lots of big screen and ok food. Owner and tourney director are nice peeps too.:smile:
 
LCCS said:
Who the hell cares if Diamond supports this. Does Brunswick, Olhausen,Valley or any other manufacture support subrails? When you buy the table, it is yours. You do what you want. I suppose you have never made a table play better.:confused:
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You're smart man my friend........:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

Mark Gregory
 
Since its hard I guess to understand the big picture I'll explain it for you. When a company like Diamond who cares about their image has their top mech changing their specs and posting changes to their tables that imply they will be so much better, I would be very concerned if I owned Diamond about this.

In fact, I am very surprised that this point even has to be made
 
OTLB said:
now its obvious both of you don't understand the big picture, your in the room lets talk
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The big picture is that you do what ever it is you do in life to the best of your abilitiy and hope it works out along the way.

The big companies are going to do as they see best for them.
They sell the tables and we fix them, you think they care how they play after they're sold or who fixes them????

Greg Sullivan at diamond cares a great deal, he is always trying to better his table. That's why he's built one of the best tables ever.

I'm just trying to make it play even better for the players.
After 35 yrs. of playing, I know alittle about how a table should play.

I just think this change works better for players that gamble.

Mark Gregory
 
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what do you think all the people like me who own these tables think when we read that now Diamonds top mech has changed the specs and got it right "this time" I applaud all efforts and am not questioning your abilities. Some things have more exposure than needed.

And to answer your question, yes I do think Diamond cares about their tables even after their sold
 
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9 guests watching, yeap I could piss off the Pope but at least he would forgive me

Did you use old cloth?
 
Look, this isn't about who's right and who's wrong as a table or cushion manufacture, it's about making something better, in this case, the playing ability of a Diamond 7ft Smart Table, but this is really NO different than what I've been doing for years on Brunswick's, Gandy's, Olhausens or any other table I've decided to work on. EVERYONE that manufactures tables, cushions, and works on tables part time or full time has over time, LOST what it takes to make a table play perfect. EVERYONE is so focused on the nose height of the cushions that they've ALL missed the relationship of the cushion behind the nose of the cushion which has a major effect in just exactly how that cushion is going to react when a ball comes into contact with it. To make a comparison if you will, if you have the best made tires in the world installed on the rims of your car, then start driving down the highway at freeway speeds, you start to feel a vibration in the car coming from the tires. IF you don't have the tires balanced at the time they're mounted on the rims, then you skipped one of the most important requirements of installing new tires on your car. Is that the tire manufactures fault? No! Is it the tire installers fault? Not if they didn't know the tires needed to be balanced when installed, BUT we all know through exposure to this industry that when new tires are installed you have to have them balanced to avoid that vibration while driving. Well, this industry has lost that "balance" when it comes to building rails and manufacturing cushions.

I'll give you another example, Championship sells K66 cushions for all thickness of rails. They're even so nice as to tell you what the bevel is for the different types of rails, 1 1/2" rails, 1 5/8"s rails, and even 1 3/4" rails. The even go so far as to tell you the rails with a ramp meter play exactly the same when it comes to three rail banks at speeds of soft, medium, and hard...100% perfect rebounds!!!! WRONG, because the difference in the cushion alignment behind the nose of the cushion on a 1 1/2" thick sub-rail is WAY different than that of a 1 3/4" sub-rail thickness, which means the 3 rail rebound is going to be drastically different....but do you think they're going to TELL you that?....Hell no, because they want you to buy their cushions for ALL rails, even if they don't all play the same...because they're in SALES! Think about it;) K66 cushions are going to play as if they have a high nose height on 1 1/2" thick rails, slow as hell and bank long, and as if the nose height is to low on 1 3/4" thick rails, bouncy and short, because neither of these rail thickness's are the optimum rail thickness for K66 cushions to perform at their best!

Glen
 
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Glen, Its great to make improvements, its great that you are a Leader, its not great to post in a thread that something has been done perfectly which thereby means everything else isn't or wasn't. Not only that, you should digest the thread a little as it does not give any support as you just described.

I asked a question? was the cloth new?

Know this: if I wrote that thread and didn't mention your name, the forum would have rained on me!

And it is dif then the other table companies you have done work on as you work for DIAMOND not them
 
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OTLB said:
Glen, Its great to make improvements, its great that you are a Leader, its not great to post in a thread that something has been done perfectly which thereby means everything else isn't or wasn't. Not only that, you should digest the thread a little as it does not give any support as you just described.

I asked a question? was the cloth new?

Know this: if I wrote that thread and didn't mention your name, the forum would have rained on me!
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Yes, the cloth Mark installed was new, BUT the tables I've rebuilt in the past all still play perfect right up to the point that the cloth has to be replaced. You don't have to tell me the effects of new cloth, I AM aware of that, but I HAVE seen the same tables I've rebuilt over the years, when the cloth has been broke in, even worn out, and the rails still play consistent with the wear of the cloth, so trust me when I tell you your argument of new cloth is mute, as in doesn't apply!;) Proper alingment of the cushions behind the nose height will give you consistant results, reguardless of what tables it's on. This is NOT a Diamond thing, it's an ALL table problem!

Glen
 
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