bamabanger
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can i get a shaft with the old stitch pattern for an old schon cue. whic one does everyone recommend for someone who has never played with a LD shaft?
thanks for the help
thanks for the help
low deflection shaft
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Both Predator and OB1 sell partials shafts that you can bring to your favorite cue maker or repairman to match up with your schon.
The one I recommend is the one you like best. Go to a local pool room, or a local tournament and ask other players in a respectful manner if you can try out their cues.
The one I recommend is the one you like best. Go to a local pool room, or a local tournament and ask other players in a respectful manner if you can try out their cues.
By curving do you mean a little curve, like you hit with some left spin and the butt of the stick is a few inches higher than usual, and it hooks by about 3 inches over the course of 5 or 6 feet? Or are we talking a full masse shot where you jack up to almost 90 degrees and make the ball bend a lot?
I would think since this stick "eats" some of the squirt you get when you're striking off center, it will help with slight curving shots. Instead of a ball deflecting a half inch to the right and then curving 3 inches to the left... it basically doesn't go right at all and still curves 3 inches to the left. More hook for your money.
No idea how it performs on masses. Can't imagine it's worth worrying about.
I would think since this stick "eats" some of the squirt you get when you're striking off center, it will help with slight curving shots. Instead of a ball deflecting a half inch to the right and then curving 3 inches to the left... it basically doesn't go right at all and still curves 3 inches to the left. More hook for your money.
No idea how it performs on masses. Can't imagine it's worth worrying about.
RBC
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Shoemaker,
It is a common misconception that LD shafts cause more swerve or throw than other shafts.
In reality, swerve and throw are a function of spin, speed and friction between the cue ball and the cloth or the object ball.
Any shaft that spins the cue ball a little better than another will have seemingly more throw or swerve. The reason is that you are getting more spin than you think. Once you learn to go back closer to the center of the cue ball, everything gets better. You make more balls and have more control.
It's true that most true LD shafts do spin the ball a little easier so I think that's why they are perceived as swerving or throwing more.
I say True LD because there are allot of claims out there of LD. Many of these shafts, while having lower cue ball squirt than a conventional shaft, are much higher in cue ball squirt than the leaders in LD. I wish Platinum Billiards was still around. They had a comprehensive list of test results that would tell the true story.
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
imo...
On the "curve" shot's, yes an ld shaft will make it more difficult to pull off. I have an ob1 and a couple i2's, and you almost have to masse it to make your shot. Not easy when it's a 5 foot shot.
With a regular maple it feels like second nature to pull off. I keep trying but can't come to grips on how to shoot properly with an ld.:wink:
On the "curve" shot's, yes an ld shaft will make it more difficult to pull off. I have an ob1 and a couple i2's, and you almost have to masse it to make your shot. Not easy when it's a 5 foot shot.
With a regular maple it feels like second nature to pull off. I keep trying but can't come to grips on how to shoot properly with an ld.:wink:
Its whatever you like personally. I highly recommend Predator. I bought one about 7-8 years ago and i dont think theres anything that could make me switch. The hit is very solid. I've also hit with an OB and they hit very well, just personally prefer Predator. No matter wat u choose i dont think you'll be disappointed..... good luck
There are lots of misconceptions about squirt, swerve, and throw. I have a resource page dealing with this (with lots of videos and article links) here:
Also, here's a good video covering the basics:
One reason people might think a low-squirt shaft creates more swerve is because the effects of squirt and swerve can cancel each other with certain shots with a non-low-squirt shaft. With less squirt and the same amount of swerve, the swerve overcompensates for the squirt. So it seems like the CB is swerving more (because it is squirting less).
Regards,
Dave
I think this is also a misconception. For more info, see:
Regards,
Dave
I know exactly what you mean and it's something that I do a fair bit of.
Fact is different shafts handle this shot differently. I mean ALL shafts, not just LD versus normal. Shafts have different tapers, ferrules tips etc., which all affect how the "curve ball" shot works.
The point of my post is: Anytime you get your hands on a new peice of lumber, there is a learning curve.
To answer your question. No, I don't beleive that LD shafts make pulling these shots off easier or harder. Only a little different.
Stitch Rings
Call Schon... they have always made stitch pattern replacement shafts. They are also offering OB shafts on their cues currently. I am confident they can give you exactly what are you are seeking.
Call Schon... they have always made stitch pattern replacement shafts. They are also offering OB shafts on their cues currently. I am confident they can give you exactly what are you are seeking.
Ask and you shall receive!
http://web.archive.org/web/20070422144433/www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php
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I play with several LD shafts. With the Predator 314-2, I have a hard time with the small masse's. I get more miscues and I get unpredictable masse's. I can be hooked and shoot around balls to make hits, but I pretty much only do that at last resort. Predators are hollow at the end with thin walls on the shaft - and it feels like it. The physics guys say they are good for masse but in practical application I find they are not at all. I think the lack of weight at the tip end hurts the masse results.
Recently I tried the new OB Classic that is going to be released in a few weeks. It's a low squirt, solid shaft. It's stiffer than the Predator and it does the small masse's quite a bit better. I get controllable, predicatable masses. In my opinion, it's as good as most regular shafts at small masse's. By the way, I find if you want to shoot a masse, a heavy house cue with a scruffed up tip will really do the trick.
I did a review onthe OB classic - you can find it in search if you like.
Chris
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