*****Mike Cochran 6 Point For Sale*****

I thought about buying 4K shares of AIG last week under just under $25 a share. Now it is over $35. That $40K would have been nice. Prices are subject to change daily. That is called educated Capitolism!
Nick

Nick,
Ins. and banks are good investments now .The big O won't them fail. You should have bought. As always hind sight is 20/20. In my opinion the op is trying to cash in. Is this right or wrong, I don't know. Sorry to hear he has issues that he feels he has to sell the cue. You do what you have to do. I wish him and his family well.

Glen
 
Wow !!!!!!!!!!!

9BallKing said:
In all seriousness.. I spoke to Mike days to a week before he passed about his cues. He was just starting to bump his prices his cues were as he quoted going to double... Starting price for a beauty from him was $7700.00
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Not sure about this as I never had the chance to meet or talk to Mike (RIP). If this is true, then you have to wonder what Mike was thinking. Why would a successful cue maker that was loved by many and known as a caring people person decide to double his pricing at one of the worst times in economic history ? That does not make any sense to me hard to believe this would be true from somebody who had the reputation as caring about other people.


Thanks.........Paul
 
From my point of view care has very-very little to do with business / price.

I think if Mike doubled his prices but treated his former customers' and their cues (which were purchased for a fraction of the new prices) just as well as the new, really expensive ones, he would have been careful enough. What I want to say is that He has done exceptionally well in his trade and if he wanted to double his prices, well, I can easily understand that, as he has deserved his positon in the cue making world. What's more is that it is the market that is going to decide what his cues are worth - and not a couple forum users' moral-motivated notes (with which I partly agree, but once again, I think that is not the question here. Nor economics, neither business can be ran for a long if it is based on moral issues or care.

One final note: us, trying to hold this guy back from getting what he wants for his cue is not doing ANY good for the Cochran family on the long run.... Just think before you post.
 
To put things into perspective, how many MC cues exist? Oh and btw, that cue is absolutely stunning.
 
nick serdula said:
We talked or a long time. He is taking offers on this cue. The cue new was about what Matt thought about selling it for.
I told the man truthfully that cue wouldn't leave here for 13K. The cost today would have been around 8K. But it can't be built today.
True Mr Matt might settle for 8K and might not. Having a sick family member that needs care puts things in a differant light.
Anything under 10K is stealing on this cue. 5Kwouldn't get my plainest Hoppie Veneer Cochran. This cue is way over double that monster.
None of mine are for sale. This is a rare oppertunity.
I thought about buying 4K shares of AIG last week under just under $25 a share. Now it is over $35. That $40K would have been nice. Prices are subject to change daily. That is called educated Capitolism!
Nick :)
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I 'll make this really simple. Nick your flat out wrong. Nobody will pay that kind of money for this cue. You will die with your plain 5k cue. I personally don't believe that there was any price increase comming. I might have an inside track here as a good friend gets dealer pricing from Tim and Mike .

I don't want people to misunderstand me . Mike was a super guy to talk with on the phone and I hold the highest respect for him and his cuemaking talents.

I also don't feel that my stating what I think is the value of this particular cue reflects or hurts Mike or his family in anyway unless she has 50 cues stashed in the closet. That in and of itself would hurt value more than the comments made by me . The value in Mike's cues is that there are not very many of them . Very similar to Art Cantando in that way.

The $13,000 is an opportunistic chance at a sale based on the death of a great cuemaker . Nothing more nothing less. This always happens just like it did with Art's cue's. As time passes things come back to reality.
 
Hummmmmmm

The above Couldn't be better said..


Look guys I was just stating a fact. I grew up in Maryland nearly 30 years and live 15 minute from their shop. I've had atleast 100 of Tims cues. I met mike when I was 14, I know there is no proof but it's my word, but I have no reason to lie, no one here has to believe me, but truth is a few days or a week before he passed I asked him to make me a cue(MC CUE), we talked and he told me that he had to be honest with me the same cue I wanted made the day he first started his line that cost 3750 would now be almost double. his price for a fancy 6pt (he did say if I wanted 8pt same price)was 7700ish. I said ughhhhhhhhhhh wow Mike. He said to me his prices are going to double, he said he has to eat and he's stepping it up to the next level there becomes a time. I told him I agree and this is what separates the men from the boys. He laughed. I said I'd be back in touch cause I needed to save another 3,000.

In theory Mike and Tims cues were so under priced for some time. When they raised the price of a basic 4pt with two shafts and jp's to 1900 people nearly died but their work is worth it I never complained. When Mike made his line they cost more but well worth every penny, even then his cues were under priced. For years he's made cues and was a master!he deserved to double his price like the great others in the cue world. A Ts or scruggs cue just never have risen to these price levels because they made so many, but will surely go up when they stop making them but there are alot out there
 
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lenoxmjs said:
I 'll make this really simple. Nick your flat out wrong. Nobody will pay that kind of money for this cue. You will die with your plain 5k cue. I personally don't believe that there was any price increase comming. I might have an inside track here as a good friend gets dealer pricing from Tim and Mike .

I don't want people to misunderstand me . Mike was a super guy to talk with on the phone and I hold the highest respect for him and his cuemaking talents.

I also don't feel that my stating what I think is the value of this particular cue reflects or hurts Mike or his family in anyway unless she has 50 cues stashed in the closet. That in and of itself would hurt value more than the comments made by me . The value in Mike's cues is that there are not very many of them . Very similar to Art Cantando in that way.

The $13,000 is an opportunistic chance at a sale based on the death of a great cuemaker . Nothing more nothing less. This always happens just like it did with Art's cue's. As time passes things come back to reality.
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That was then. Mike was going up on his prices. I told him weekly if not daily to raise them. He insisted on charging a fair price for his work. Truely this was a $7500-8000 cue.
Also it might get sold today. It may already be sold.
Like I said someone is buying everyone just so he likes the appearance. He isn't big on silver and if this cue had gold inlays it would be sold regardless of price. Mike made more than a couple cues in the 12K and up price.
When Mike's cues got big so did the price. No one got a discount on big cues. The price was always fair. And they were over 12K.
If you seem to think Mike's cues won't go up in value like a rocket try to find another for sale. His cues are that good. And unlike other cuemakers cues not available. I don't think Mike would have built this cue for me for 5K. I am looking at it. And pretty much know what it is. I do have one more coming this month. I won't sell it.
You people act like there are cues everywhere of Mike's to be had. There isn't.
The finest collectors love them. When this cue is sold all you will say is man I wish I had one. All you had to do is buy one from him and support him.
Between Erich and Steve and I, we have probably more than 30% of Mike's cues. That leaves very few available to ever even sold publicly. I know many of the owners and money is not their motive for buying or keeping anything. They loved Mike and they love his cue made for them.
Wish what you may. Almost all of us aren't selling. When all is said and done I will have donated between 2.5 and 3K to Mike's family. I miss him dearly. Talk to Timi alot now. Call Connie when I am sending more money.
There isn't a person that after making money on a cue from Mike that will not hesitate to get back with Connie. We just loved Mike that much.
Nick :)
 
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What am I missing

This cue should have a 3 in the price but without the 1 first. I thought 3500 would be all the money, am I wrong?
 
Price

In reality Mike probally charged him between 3700-4500 for this so 3500 is way too low sir.

The average real time price on this cue would be 4000-5000

mike was gonna double his price to 7000 ish but that really never took effect
so we can't say they are worth that at this time

because there are very little of his cues and he has passed 7000 ish it might bring max unless this really becomes a fund raiser for his family and then it would bring 13k I hope giving Connie atleast 7,000 of all proceeds and him pocketing 6,000 that would be a stand up thing in my opinion Everybody wins
 
wow

I guess I should of bought the much fancier cue that Nick now owns for $2,800 when it was offered, shucks!

I'm pretty sure I made a huge mistake by telling someone (a dealer) about that cue. Everyone involved knows who and what I'm speaking of.

And as a side note I have the utmost respect for Mr. Cochran and his legacy. My intent was not to be crass, I was surprised that the cue would bring (Szamboti/Bushka) cheese.

Godspeed to the Cochran family and best of luck with this sale.

NINER
 
I feel the same

How you think i feel... I had a chance to buy and I held the first cue he made for 3700-3750 and I couldn't afford it at the time wow was I dumb I shoulda put that piece of art on my visa
 
I own a 8 piont Cochran

Plain 8 pointer with no inlays and the ivory joint was over 3K. How you do this voodoo cue algibra is beyond me. A six pointer would have been about the same minus $200.
This cue is way over double my cue. Mike told me his pricing. Mike personally told Matt the cue used was stealing at $6500 months ago. Mike understood things happen and sometimes things need to sell.
That is what I know.
Great cue bump.
Nick :)
 
Is The

Cue being sold known as the "voodoo" cue? I really like the cue and I bet it plays a TON!

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??????

I'm under the impression that there is either a rule of a convention that we here at AZ agree as a community not to discuss our negative opinions of sellers' pricing in their for sale threads.

If someone has something for sale and we think the price is too high, we can either make him an offer though PM or move on to something else that we think has a better price.

Has this changed?

Thanks

Kevin
 
kvinbrwr said:
I'm under the impression that there is either a rule of a convention that we here at AZ agree as a community not to discuss our negative opinions of sellers' pricing in their for sale threads.

If someone has something for sale and we think the price is too high, we can either make him an offer though PM or move on to something else that we think has a better price.

Has this changed?

Thanks

Kevin
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Tap,tap, tap.....

These idiots that are accusing this gentleman of cashing in on a death need to learn some manners. Supply and demand dictates what the cue is worth. If the man needs money, he may need to sell it. Do you really think anyone who has one wants to sell it? If you don't want to buy it don't.

But through these incredible ignorant comments, you guys are really showing your ass.

Pull your pants up, learn how to act, and have a nice day.
 
cbaumann212 said:
Tap,tap, tap.....

These idiots that are accusing this gentleman of cashing in on a death need to learn some manners. Supply and demand dictates what the cue is worth. If the man needs money, he may need to sell it. Do you really think anyone who has one wants to sell it? If you don't want to buy it don't.

But through these incredible ignorant comments, you guys are really showing your ass.

Pull your pants up, learn how to act, and have a nice day.
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Bump for a great cue

I agree here. There are a lot of "pants on the ground pants on the ground"

Kevin
 
Nope

9BallKing said:
So are u saying he bought it for 6500 Nick?
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Mike told Matt $6500 used was stealing. Price would between buyer and seller. I was neither. That tells me what Mike wouldn't replicate for $6500.
Good call on the bashing gentlemen. Very uncalled for.
I do have to say that if a board member was offered the cue for a price and was thinking about a purchase, that is the price the cue should be offered to him. That is if there was a offer extended to the member. Just a thought.
Later guys,
Nick :)
 
kvinbrwr said:
I'm under the impression that there is either a rule of a convention that we here at AZ agree as a community not to discuss our negative opinions of sellers' pricing in their for sale threads.

If someone has something for sale and we think the price is too high, we can either make him an offer though PM or move on to something else that we think has a better price.

Has this changed?

Thanks

Kevin
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Personally it makes no difference to me . I would agree it would have been better to post a seperate thread discussing this cues value. In some ways I miss the days of old AZ when guys like Jimbo were around and an honest opinion was given no matter what.

Nick is always chiming in on every Scruggs or Cochran thread how the seller is asking too little and it's worth double that etc. Could this be because he has a lot of them (according to him) which I don't doubt. A huge sale on this cue could easily affect the value of his cues by 30 to 50 percent. We are talking about thousands and thousands of dollars. He has an interest in seeing this cue sell for a big number.

I know he has done many nice things for Mikes wife which should be commended but there is an upside in this for him too.
 
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Couldn't have said it any better!


lenoxmjs said:
Personally it makes no difference to me . I would agree it would have been better to post a seperate thread discussing this cues value. In some ways I miss the days of old AZ when guys like Jimbo were around and an honest opinion was given no matter what.

Nick is always chiming in on every Scruggs or Cochran thread how the seller is asking too little and it's worth double that etc. Could this be because he has a lot of them (according to him) which I don't doubt. A huge sale on this cue could easily affect the value of his cues by 30 to 50 percent. We are talking about thousands and thousands of dollars. He has an interest in seeing this cue sell for a big number.

I know he has done many nice things for Mikes wife which should be commended but the is an upside in this for him too.
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