Show me using CTE

duckie said:
A two ball or more combo

A Carom

A Bank shot

A kick shot

Draw me a picture ..........
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No one ever said that CTE was for those shots. However there are plenty of systems out there that cover them.

As well Spidey has a video on YouTube showing him using CTE on one rail banks. He nails them all.

Why don't you show us how consistent you are with all those shots using Ghost Ball aiming? I am sure that you can a video camera somewhere and prove to everyone that what you do is all that's needed to play good pool.

Do you use the GB for all those shots?

How about you show us how well you do on Colin Colenso's pocketing test using GB?
 
A thin-cut pivot on an OB will take the CB to the adjacent pocket (assuming no english upon impact). So, for caroms, adjust with 1-tip increments of english to push/pull you up/down 1 diamond at a time.

Banking CTE - just sight cte, offset and pivot. Depending on the angle of attack into the rail and the direction of the bank, you might want to pivot shy of center to impart outside english to offset the CIT.

No combo system (reliable one) exists.

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd4qxOy-tJw
 
duckie: here's the story with CTE.

- not all that many people know it, though a lot of people seem to know some variations of it. But the original CTE (as taught by the guy who invented it is) only known to a handful of people.

- that handful of people haven't, can't, or won't post the exact full step-by-step aiming process. The only one I know for sure who has it absolutely down (spiderwebdotcom) has made a promise not to post it publicly. There are probably others but I haven't figured out who they are yet. Other guys who talk as if they have it down pat (jbcases?) also have not posted the process, for whatever reason. They may or may not have learned it straight from Hal Houle (the inventor).

- there are a lot of bits and pieces that swc and others have posted. Supposedly if you look hard enough on this forum and spider's blog, you can piece together all these bits to get the complete system. However very few have been successful at that. And by successful I mean just reaching a point where they can list steps to the process, nevermind actually making balls with it.

- there are also many incorrect bits and pieces based on incomplete info, or based on other aiming systems. It can be hard to separate what's what.

So basically: Forget CTE for now unless you see SWC post it. Or do a search and see if you want to go a scavenger hunt for the various bits of info, and probably you should only trust SWC's posts or the ones he says are accurate. If SWC gets enough paid viewers interested, he will do a live stream showing it. I think he needs only 5 or 10 more viewers to commit 50 bucks.

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PS to JB cases: You seem to be under the impression that there's a war between CTE and ghostball going on. I don't see it that way. I don't ghostball as an aiming "system". It's just a single step that a beginner can use when he has no aiming system. It's sort of an alternative to systemic aiming. I have no doubt that a system with clear visual reference points (i.e. the edge of a ball) will be superior to one with invisible reference points (i.e. an imaginary ball or contact point).

I like your posts JB and you seem like a pretty cool person. But there's something a little irritating about the recent challenge posts you make about CTE vs. ghost ball. The problem is that because nobody is giving up full and accurate CTE info, almost nobody on this forum has a fair shot at trying CTE and comparing it to the "inferior" systems. And because so much has been said about it and we still don't have that usable step-by-step process, people are starting to think it's bunk.

It's like a guy who keeps bragging his rebuilt 78 camaro back home will absolutely BLOW THE DOORS off anyone else's car in a race. Except 1. He's got it back home, he can't show it to you except maybe video footage. 2. He's not telling what he put under the hood when he rebuilt it and 3. He grates on you by bragging about something he's got that you don't have and can never afford to have.

edit: I meant to say... if CTE is legit there's no reason it can't help you aim a bank or combo. You pretend the spot on the rail or the spot on the other object ball is your pocket, and aim the same way you'd aim to the pocket.
 
CreeDo said:
duckie: here's the story with CTE.

- not all that many people know it, though a lot of people seem to know some variations of it. But the original CTE (as taught by the guy who invented it is) only known to a handful of people.

- that handful of people haven't, can't, or won't post the exact full step-by-step aiming process. The only one I know for sure who has it absolutely down (spiderwebdotcom) has made a promise not to post it publicly. There are probably others but I haven't figured out who they are yet. Other guys who talk as if they have it down pat (jbcases?) also have not posted the process, for whatever reason. They may or may not have learned it straight from Hal Houle (the inventor).

- there are a lot of bits and pieces that swc and others have posted. Supposedly if you look hard enough on this forum and spider's blog, you can piece together all these bits to get the complete system. However very few have been successful at that. And by successful I mean just reaching a point where they can list steps to the process, nevermind actually making balls with it.

- there are also many incorrect bits and pieces based on incomplete info, or based on other aiming systems. It can be hard to separate what's what.

So basically: Forget CTE for now unless you see SWC post it. Or do a search and see if you want to go a scavenger hunt for the various bits of info, and probably you should only trust SWC's posts or the ones he says are accurate. If SWC gets enough paid viewers interested, he will do a live stream showing it. I think he needs only 5 or 10 more viewers to commit 50 bucks.

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PS to JB cases: You seem to be under the impression that there's a war between CTE and ghostball going on. I don't see it that way. I don't ghostball as an aiming "system". It's just a single step that a beginner can use when he has no aiming system. It's sort of an alternative to systemic aiming. I have no doubt that a system with clear visual reference points (i.e. the edge of a ball) will be superior to one with invisible reference points (i.e. an imaginary ball or contact point).

I like your posts JB and you seem like a pretty cool person. But there's something a little irritating about the recent challenge posts you make about CTE vs. ghost ball. The problem is that because nobody is giving up full and accurate CTE info, almost nobody on this forum has a fair shot at trying CTE and comparing it to the "inferior" systems. And because so much has been said about it and we still don't have that usable step-by-step process, people are starting to think it's bunk.

It's like a guy who keeps bragging his rebuilt 78 camaro back home will absolutely BLOW THE DOORS off anyone else's car in a race. Except 1. He's got it back home, he can't show it to you except maybe video footage. 2. He's not telling what he put under the hood when he rebuilt it and 3. He grates on you by bragging about something he's got that you don't have and can never afford to have.

edit: I meant to say... if CTE is legit there's no reason it can't help you aim a bank or combo. You pretend the spot on the rail or the spot on the other object ball is your pocket, and aim the same way you'd aim to the pocket.
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Well said, CreeDo.

Roger
 
CreeDo said:
duckie: here's the story with CTE.

- not all that many people know it, though a lot of people seem to know some variations of it. But the original CTE (as taught by the guy who invented it is) only known to a handful of people.

- that handful of people haven't, can't, or won't post the exact full step-by-step aiming process. The only one I know for sure who has it absolutely down (spiderwebdotcom) has made a promise not to post it publicly. There are probably others but I haven't figured out who they are yet. Other guys who talk as if they have it down pat (jbcases?) also have not posted the process, for whatever reason. They may or may not have learned it straight from Hal Houle (the inventor).

- there are a lot of bits and pieces that swc and others have posted. Supposedly if you look hard enough on this forum and spider's blog, you can piece together all these bits to get the complete system. However very few have been successful at that. And by successful I mean just reaching a point where they can list steps to the process, nevermind actually making balls with it.

- there are also many incorrect bits and pieces based on incomplete info, or based on other aiming systems. It can be hard to separate what's what.

So basically: Forget CTE for now unless you see SWC post it. Or do a search and see if you want to go a scavenger hunt for the various bits of info, and probably you should only trust SWC's posts or the ones he says are accurate. If SWC gets enough paid viewers interested, he will do a live stream showing it. I think he needs only 5 or 10 more viewers to commit 50 bucks.

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PS to JB cases: You seem to be under the impression that there's a war between CTE and ghostball going on. I don't see it that way. I don't ghostball as an aiming "system". It's just a single step that a beginner can use when he has no aiming system. It's sort of an alternative to systemic aiming. I have no doubt that a system with clear visual reference points (i.e. the edge of a ball) will be superior to one with invisible reference points (i.e. an imaginary ball or contact point).

I like your posts JB and you seem like a pretty cool person. But there's something a little irritating about the recent challenge posts you make about CTE vs. ghost ball. The problem is that because nobody is giving up full and accurate CTE info, almost nobody on this forum has a fair shot at trying CTE and comparing it to the "inferior" systems. And because so much has been said about it and we still don't have that usable step-by-step process, people are starting to think it's bunk.

It's like a guy who keeps bragging his rebuilt 78 camaro back home will absolutely BLOW THE DOORS off anyone else's car in a race. Except 1. He's got it back home, he can't show it to you except maybe video footage. 2. He's not telling what he put under the hood when he rebuilt it and 3. He grates on you by bragging about something he's got that you don't have and can never afford to have.

edit: I meant to say... if CTE is legit there's no reason it can't help you aim a bank or combo. You pretend the spot on the rail or the spot on the other object ball is your pocket, and aim the same way you'd aim to the pocket.
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Good post. SWC is about the only one to listen to on CTE. Cte is good for banking but not for combos. It is designed to put the object ball in the pocket, not anywhere else.
 
CreeDo said:
duckie: here's the story with CTE.

- not all that many people know it, though a lot of people seem to know some variations of it. But the original CTE (as taught by the guy who invented it is) only known to a handful of people.

- that handful of people haven't, can't, or won't post the exact full step-by-step aiming process. The only one I know for sure who has it absolutely down (spiderwebdotcom) has made a promise not to post it publicly. There are probably others but I haven't figured out who they are yet. Other guys who talk as if they have it down pat (jbcases?) also have not posted the process, for whatever reason. They may or may not have learned it straight from Hal Houle (the inventor).

- there are a lot of bits and pieces that swc and others have posted. Supposedly if you look hard enough on this forum and spider's blog, you can piece together all these bits to get the complete system. However very few have been successful at that. And by successful I mean just reaching a point where they can list steps to the process, nevermind actually making balls with it.

- there are also many incorrect bits and pieces based on incomplete info, or based on other aiming systems. It can be hard to separate what's what.

So basically: Forget CTE for now unless you see SWC post it. Or do a search and see if you want to go a scavenger hunt for the various bits of info, and probably you should only trust SWC's posts or the ones he says are accurate. If SWC gets enough paid viewers interested, he will do a live stream showing it. I think he needs only 5 or 10 more viewers to commit 50 bucks.

---

PS to JB cases: You seem to be under the impression that there's a war between CTE and ghostball going on. I don't see it that way. I don't ghostball as an aiming "system". It's just a single step that a beginner can use when he has no aiming system. It's sort of an alternative to systemic aiming. I have no doubt that a system with clear visual reference points (i.e. the edge of a ball) will be superior to one with invisible reference points (i.e. an imaginary ball or contact point).

I like your posts JB and you seem like a pretty cool person. But there's something a little irritating about the recent challenge posts you make about CTE vs. ghost ball. The problem is that because nobody is giving up full and accurate CTE info, almost nobody on this forum has a fair shot at trying CTE and comparing it to the "inferior" systems. And because so much has been said about it and we still don't have that usable step-by-step process, people are starting to think it's bunk.

It's like a guy who keeps bragging his rebuilt 78 camaro back home will absolutely BLOW THE DOORS off anyone else's car in a race. Except 1. He's got it back home, he can't show it to you except maybe video footage. 2. He's not telling what he put under the hood when he rebuilt it and 3. He grates on you by bragging about something he's got that you don't have and can never afford to have.

edit: I meant to say... if CTE is legit there's no reason it can't help you aim a bank or combo. You pretend the spot on the rail or the spot on the other object ball is your pocket, and aim the same way you'd aim to the pocket.
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I don't think that there is any sort of war.

I do think that people like Duckie are not at all interested in learning other methods of aiming the ball.

Duckie said that GB is all he uses and all that's needed for all shots in the other thread.

This thread is a continuation of his opinion that GB is all that is needed and other systems aren't adequate to the task of making the shots that he lists.

Now, you can take it as irritating if you want but the challenge is there to get people to TRY something.

As for the INFORMATION on CTE and other systems it's out there. CTE is not that hard, Dave shows you what to do on the videos he has put up on line. He's written it down on here a bunch of times.

It's really simple - this is the age of video - a lot of us can video ourselves playing pool.

So rather than spend a million words just get on the table and show what you know. Then you and everyone else can dissect it and hopefully the end result is that everyone gets better.
 
Scott Lee said:
Dave...Shame on you! Sure it does! If you spent time with Hal, you should KNOW that his CTE system for combination shots is called "shish-ka-bob"!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Hey Scott, shish-ka-bob is another aiming method but it's not for combo's.
I suppose any of them would work depending on where the object is but SKB is still just another aiming system.

Thanks,
Koop - uses Shish-ka-bob on certain shots
 
Scott Lee said:
Dave...Shame on you! Sure it does! If you spent time with Hal, you should KNOW that his CTE system for combination shots is called "shish-ka-bob"!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Scott, I'm pretty knowledgeable with shishkebob. I've played with it for prob about 50 hours. If you're referring to putting your cue on the line splitting the opposite quarters, I'm not convinced it works (or at least, works all the time). Hal told me it only makes sense for close-up combos. But, for the life of me.... I can't figure out how the system knows the location of the second ball (because once I'm lined up, you can move the second ball and how would the first know where the second is?).

It's possible I don't have all the information, though. He's famous for giving 3/4 of the solution to see if you can get there.

FYI:

There are two shishkebobs: one for combos and one is the quarter system with a pivot (also referred to as shishkebob). I'm pretty sure Scott is referring to an opposite quarter and pivot system.
 
CreeDo said:
duckie:
If SWC gets enough paid viewers interested, he will do a live stream showing it. I think he needs only 5 or 10 more viewers to commit 50 bucks.[/i]
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Really? I'd love to pay $50.00 to learn it. Can you point me to the "offer".

Thanks
 
.Nope...Hal specifically called it shishkabob, for shooting 2 and 3 ball combination shots. This is one reason I recorded my visit with him...so I wouldn't forget what he told me! :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

SpiderWebComm said:
There are two shishkebobs: one for combos and one is the quarter system with a pivot (also referred to as shishkebob). I'm pretty sure Scott is referring to an opposite quarter and pivot system.
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eddy: I don't have the link handy but take my word he made the offer :) just click his name in the post below (spiderwebcomm) and send him a message expressing interest.

jb: I mention in another thread why I don't consider video as evidence of anything. If registered forum user john schmidt pots balls better than you or spidey do, do you make good on your bet? There are any number of reasons why one guy might be a better shotmaker than another, system or no system.

You mention it's all out there (as does spider) but you guys seem to underestimate how unclear the info is or how tricky it is to piece it together. I think spider said only one guy that he knows of (from the major CTE debate threads) has put it all together.

I have NO PROBLEM with the idea that CTE may be superior to feel, ghostball, or any other aiming method. I have no horse in this race. You give me CTE and I will give it a fair shot. I will spend no less than 100 hours on it and keep an open mind. But I need to see for myself. Seeing a dude shooting balls on an internet video is 100% not going to convince me. If it's as good as you claim then I'll be sold once I get to play with it.

And for the record I have gone to the pool hall and attempted to work it out from the pieces of info I have. So far I've concluded I still don't get it and end up with nonsensical lines of aim. I'm missing pieces. With those pieces I can judge for myself.
 
Scott Lee said:
.Nope...Hal specifically called it shishkabob, for shooting 2 and 3 ball combination shots. This is one reason I recorded my visit with him...so I wouldn't forget what he told me! :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Scott, not to split hairs but, SKB is another aiming system just like CTE. There is a pivot involved and you ALWAYS start out inside english.
Hal may have said this was best for combos but it certainly isn't only for combos.

Koop - uses SKB for thick cuts :wink:
 
There are only two shishkebobs. The combo system is def the inside CB quarter to the outside OB quarter with a pivot to center. Scott - if that's not what you have in mind for the combo-kebob, what do you think it is?

Dave
 
CreeDo said:
duckie: here's the story with CTE.

- not all that many people know it, though a lot of people seem to know some variations of it. But the original CTE (as taught by the guy who invented it is) only known to a handful of people.

- that handful of people haven't, can't, or won't post the exact full step-by-step aiming process. The only one I know for sure who has it absolutely down (spiderwebdotcom) has made a promise not to post it publicly. There are probably others but I haven't figured out who they are yet. Other guys who talk as if they have it down pat (jbcases?) also have not posted the process, for whatever reason. They may or may not have learned it straight from Hal Houle (the inventor).

- there are a lot of bits and pieces that swc and others have posted. Supposedly if you look hard enough on this forum and spider's blog, you can piece together all these bits to get the complete system. However very few have been successful at that. And by successful I mean just reaching a point where they can list steps to the process, nevermind actually making balls with it.

- there are also many incorrect bits and pieces based on incomplete info, or based on other aiming systems. It can be hard to separate what's what.

So basically: Forget CTE for now unless you see SWC post it. Or do a search and see if you want to go a scavenger hunt for the various bits of info, and probably you should only trust SWC's posts or the ones he says are accurate. If SWC gets enough paid viewers interested, he will do a live stream showing it. I think he needs only 5 or 10 more viewers to commit 50 bucks.

---

PS to JB cases: You seem to be under the impression that there's a war between CTE and ghostball going on. I don't see it that way. I don't ghostball as an aiming "system". It's just a single step that a beginner can use when he has no aiming system. It's sort of an alternative to systemic aiming. I have no doubt that a system with clear visual reference points (i.e. the edge of a ball) will be superior to one with invisible reference points (i.e. an imaginary ball or contact point).

I like your posts JB and you seem like a pretty cool person. But there's something a little irritating about the recent challenge posts you make about CTE vs. ghost ball. The problem is that because nobody is giving up full and accurate CTE info, almost nobody on this forum has a fair shot at trying CTE and comparing it to the "inferior" systems. And because so much has been said about it and we still don't have that usable step-by-step process, people are starting to think it's bunk.

It's like a guy who keeps bragging his rebuilt 78 camaro back home will absolutely BLOW THE DOORS off anyone else's car in a race. Except 1. He's got it back home, he can't show it to you except maybe video footage. 2. He's not telling what he put under the hood when he rebuilt it and 3. He grates on you by bragging about something he's got that you don't have and can never afford to have.

edit: I meant to say... if CTE is legit there's no reason it can't help you aim a bank or combo. You pretend the spot on the rail or the spot on the other object ball is your pocket, and aim the same way you'd aim to the pocket.
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Thank You!
 
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