You have a stakehorse on this Cris,but lets throw in the last two! I would guess there are players in many states, unknown to most, that will beat any women in the world! This is just reality!
boys v. girls
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A lot of winning comes down to whats between the ears. :smile:
I am truly amazed at how often this boy v. girl crap comes up. Why it is necessary to devote so many pages of forum responses to a subject so ambiguous and unrelated to anything is beyond me. If eighth-grade biology has taught us anything it's that men and women are pre-programmed to do only one thing and that is to procreate. That's job number one. The prime directive. Anything else, other than the successful completion of that directive to the point where procreation can be repeated, is completely unnecessary. And that includes pitting one gender against the other to find out who is king of the hill.
I got a chuckle from the guy who stated that women would never beat men in Nine-Ball because they lack the strength to break as hard. Good Lord! That's like saying a woman hasn't the mental capacity to beat a man in One Pocket.
Bear in mind that I am not taking sides here. Each to their own. What I am saying is that comparisons should not be drawn when the two sexes happen to share similar endeavors such as pool. I say let each person revel in their own accomplishments and let the comparison issue die.
Now, if you will excuse me, I'm going into the other room and do job number one with my girlfriend.
I got a chuckle from the guy who stated that women would never beat men in Nine-Ball because they lack the strength to break as hard. Good Lord! That's like saying a woman hasn't the mental capacity to beat a man in One Pocket.
Bear in mind that I am not taking sides here. Each to their own. What I am saying is that comparisons should not be drawn when the two sexes happen to share similar endeavors such as pool. I say let each person revel in their own accomplishments and let the comparison issue die.
Now, if you will excuse me, I'm going into the other room and do job number one with my girlfriend.
Tramp: Not sound snippy, but probably one of the most boring sentiments on earth is "this is a topic that shouldn't be discussed".
It's a pool forum. Discussion of topics is the forum's "prime directive".
I've come across some interesting stuff in these threads (the topic is undead and will be back within a month or two) and interesting reading is a nice way to pass the time when humping isn't available.
It's a pool forum. Discussion of topics is the forum's "prime directive".
I've come across some interesting stuff in these threads (the topic is undead and will be back within a month or two) and interesting reading is a nice way to pass the time when humping isn't available.
When the girls become more feminine and start wearing outfits
like the female tennis players do, I'm sure the distraction advantage will have it's effect.
( Whaddya mean it's my turn. Let her shoot a coupla more balls)
Especially on 9-ft. tables. :rotflmao1:
like the female tennis players do, I'm sure the distraction advantage will have it's effect.
( Whaddya mean it's my turn. Let her shoot a coupla more balls)
Especially on 9-ft. tables. :rotflmao1:
That is nonsense. I've watched a certain WPBA player destroy some of the local top dogs for the cash.
As to the original point, the odds of a female winning an open event are low, only because the numbers favor the men.
If you were to take Kelly against Johnny in a race to 9, the odds get much closer. Add 6 women in a field of 58 men, and obviously, I would bet that a male is probably going to take the tournament. That's just simple math.
Oh yeah, well I've got a woman that I'll put in the box. 15 ahead for $3000. You won't believe how solid this lady plays. She's very tall and breaks like any man. And no, NOONE has seen this lady play around here. I have to get up with her on the phone and she comes out of hiding. You've got action.
She has an amazing resemblance to someone I know, but I can't figure it out. She keeps coming into the poolroom once a year and giving me the seven and torturing me. She has very long blond hair (so long it doesn't even look real) and a gotee. She calls herself Johnnessa. Every time I blow a few hundred, she starts laughing and mumbling what a dork I am for not knowing her. Whatever... Anyway, I have her number somewhere and I'll put her in the box. I've searched all over for this "Johnessa" and I can't find her anywhere on the internet. I just can't put my finger on it.....
But, I'll get up with her if you're interested. Pssst, don't mention how hot other women might be in the poolroom, she's not much of a looker. She might even be one of the ugliest women I've ever seen. Hasn't shaved her legs in quite a while, and that hairy face! Damn, only some real pervs would check her out. Any way, let me know.
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Really. Then what if you held a tournament with 6 men and 58 women? How do you think the numbers would shake out on that one. Would you bet that a female would probably win the tournament?
I know that gal. She came around our room a couple of years ago. Said her name was Lola. She put the ugh in ugly, I'm telling you. Anyway, one of the guys started hitting on her, see, must have been the everclear, and the first thing you know their leaving together. Well, sure enough, the next day we found his body lying face down in the bed of his pick-up truck and his blood had been completely drained from his body. All that was left was a big smile.
CreeDo, I'm not advocating the elimination of any topic on this, or any other forum, because you're right, that's what forums are all about. I'm simply reinterating the fact that when man versus woman topics are discussed they are invariably reduced to the we are better than you are because we are stronger, or faster, or whatever, line of reasoning.
And now, if you will once more excuse me, I have to return to the other room. It seems I wasn't pleasing enough the first time. :sorry:
Take the top 6 male players in the world, and the top 58 females, and there are only realistically 6 or 8 of those females who would really be competitive, so no, you have changed the dynamics completely.
Take the top 6 males and the top 6 females, and the gap starts to close. Take the top 32 males and the top 32 females, and it becomes advantage males.
There are just more strong male players than there are strong females. But the best females can hold their own with anybody. I'm not saying that Fisher will beat Archer, although she very well could....but I bet Johnny doesn't take that match lightly.
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If you only had to win a race to 9 to win a tournament I guess your simple math would be correct. To win 6 or more matches in a row is a whole different story. Maybe you've seen one unnamed WPBA pro beat some local good player. I've seen a lot more of them lose. Don't get me wrong, some ladies are very good players. But the best females need huge weight from the best males.
Let's try this. Take the top ranked male player in the world and match him up with the top ranked female player. Nine-Ball say. Who would win in a race to seven and why. Make sure you answer why.
I just gave you a good example...Archer-Fisher. And I would probably give the nod to Johnny, simply by virtue of his break, and his pace might throw off the much faster Kelly. Both are potential run-out players, and in a race to 7, it could go either way. (and they both know it!)
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Celtic,
With all due respect, I disagree with you in many ways with respect to the above. I think it is false that "strength means diddly squat". I think this is a common misconception about pool. Hopefully we agree that the goal on any kind of "power" shot is to deliver the cue tip through the ball at a fast speed and *accurately*. Strength is a MAJOR benefit to do this. Why? Because if I am strong and someone else is weak, I can achieve the required velocity with less *effort*. This means that it is far less likely that I will involve other muscles, jump up, or otherwise strain to achieve the power I want. I can more loosely and smoothly stoke the cue, and I believe that this will greatly facilitate accuracy. It is my guess that if you took a look at the strength to body mass ratio of the players you mentioned (Alex, Dennis, certainly throw Bustamante into that mix, etc.) you would see that it FAR exceeds that of a similarly sized woman. This means that when it comes to the timing you mentioned as being important (which I totally agree with) the acceleration available to the stronger guy over that maybe 1/2 second or less right leading up to impact with the cue ball is going to be far easier for the stronger guy to achieve. You say strength is not the key, speed is. Well, if you are familiar with physics, you will know that these two things are related, and you can't have more speed without more force to create it. Now of course for what I am trying to say here I am taking a lack of coordination out of the picture for a second. To achieve a given speed over a given time or distance, you need a certain amount of force or work. I'm sure you would agree that the *average* pro male breaks much harder than the *average* pro female because their cue tip is moving faster when it hits the cueball. Well I need to ask, is it magic that accounts for this difference in speed, or greater force over time ? Now I totally agree that timing is a big factor, but this is only the thing that separated the men who break at 30 mph from the ones that break at 25 mph, for example. You will get some women with great timing and some with terrible timing. Thus you will get some women who break harder than others, of course. However, the range of speeds will be shifted down far below the men's, probably by 5mph or even more. This I believe is due primarily to strength. The same can be said for the Corey Deuel draw shot and any other monster stroke shot.
Certainly strong people can be uncoordinated, just like anyone else. There will be differences in timing not related to a person's strength. However, all other things being equal, more strength is going to be better for generating power, and hence speed, in an effortless, easy, accurate way. Yes technique is a prerequisite, but so is a certain level of power required to accelerate the cue to the desired speed in a short time.
Also, for what it's worth, I think Efren's break is highly underrated. I think he breaks *effectively*. He is extremely skilled at duplicating the *exact* same break if that break is working. I also believe he has an excellent ability to adjust his break to the conditions. Finally, his cueball control on the break is often very good. And I think Efren is likely stronger than probably ever single woman on the pro tour, save 1 or 2 (maybe). If you could measure the force exerted by his hand over the 1/2 second before cueball impact, I guarantee it is far more than any woman currently playing, and many men.
Anyway, not trying to cut your post down, just offering a alternative opinion. Good topic...interesting!
KMRUNOUT
um...this kinda sounds like nonsense to me, no offense intended. First of all, you are talking about top WPBA pros vs. local shortstops. Yeah, maybe they win sometimes. But lets compare apples to apples.
If you were to take Kelly against Johnny in a race to 9, you and I need to get together with a lot of cash...lets make that bet 100 times in a row, ok? Do you seriously think Kelly or any woman pro beats Johnny more than 30% of the time?
Likewise, if you have 6 women in a field of 58 men, the women don't not win because there are less of them. It is because most of those men play better. If it were only about the numbers, then over time you would expect one of those 6 women to win the tourney at least once. But it NEVER happens. Certainly not in 9 ball, 10 ball, or 8 ball. Its not about the numbers. Its about the fact that the best men are FAR better than the best women.
*Why* this is the case is a matter of debate (and as I can see here, a lot of speculation), but *whether* this is the case is a non-issue.
KMRUNOUT
That wasn't the question. I already said Archer would be favored to win more than Kelly. But in one match, either is capable of winning.
Even more interesting, let's say they play 10 ahead. Who has the better nerves? I've seen her do that more than once (not against archer, but against very strong players)
The point is, gender has little to do with the outcome. The reason gender is even an issue is because the total number of male top level players far outnumbers their female counterparts.
I think Jasmine will give any male a run for his money. Same for quite a few women. They are in a minority, but they are just as capable of winning a match as anybody.
Steve
I agree with the gender doesn't matter part.