"Parallel Shift" v/s "Pivot", and CET Aiming

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Have been playing with CTE a little, and I see the word "Pivot", is it the Same a Parallel Shift, or like Pivot from a FIXED POINT???

P.S. When is Patrick Johnson coming back from Ban, or is he gone?
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Have been playing with CTE a little, and I see the word "Pivot", is it the Same a Parallel Shift, or like Pivot from a FIXED POINT???

P.S. When is Patrick Johnson coming back from Ban, or is he gone?
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Hi,
I have been playing a bit as well with CTE. Pivot isn't Shift for me. If I set up with CTEL and pivot from there on cue tip diameter or 1/2 ball and the pivot back to the center of the CB, I am back to the same position - CTEL.

If I parallel (to the CTEL) shift to the side one tip diameter or 1/2 ball (not the same), my bridge is moved to the side by the same distance, thus when I pivot at the new bridge position back to the center of the CB, I have a new angle going to the side of the edge of the OB - no longer CTEL. I then am able to cut the OB thin or thick as described in the CTE aiming thread (exhausted for now).

It has yet to be divulged with clearity, how to cut the OB 10, 20, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, and 90 degrees - center to center is 0 degrees and CTE on the CTEL without parallel shift and pivot back to center of CB is a 30 degree cut.

Just sayin.

I have looked at dr_dave's posts and and am now looking at 90/90 with a pivot.:smile:
 
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LAMas said:
Hi,
I have been playing a bit as well with CTE. Pivot isn't Shift for me. If I set up with CTEL and pivot from there on cue tip diameter or 1/2 ball and the pivot back to the center of the CB, I am back to the same position - CTEL.
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Thanks for the reply, as I now know one problem I created by shifting, will try today the "Pivot" like a hands on a Clock Moving from a FIXED POINT. Again Thanks

 
Coco, After all your bashing of aiming systems, are you saying, you are starting to see the validity in them.
 
Why would you start a new CTE thread when there's so many other threads on it, one of which has over 500 posts with every possible question, link, explanation, and diagram?

CTE is "meant" to be understood by sifting through hours of and hours of drek, or at least that's how hal wants it to be for a certain group of people. I guess he wants them to "pay their dues" or whatever. So you're not going to get straight and valid answers. Only two guys are definitely qualified to answer (learned directly from hal) and another couple are big maybes (like maybe they figured it out and maybe they're just winging it).

Dig through spidey's posts, read his blog, read the CTE mathematics post, and you'll see a bunch of stuff about the pivot.

Note, I'm not really knocking you for asking. I asked the same thing many times. Lots of people have. I could not get a straight answer about whether the pivot happens from a fixed point or not. There probably are no straight answers regarding pivot because it's a feel thing that may be different from player to player. It may even matter if you're left handed or right handed. You might need to figure out a pivot that works and practice it for a thousand hours.

Spidey recommends pivoting from the hips. He stresses the pivot is not around the bridge, and pivoting around the bridge WILL cause failure. He's also mentioned that the central point of the pivot may be around the joint of the cue.
 
CreeDo said:
Why would you start a new CTE thread when there's so many other threads on it, one of which has over 500 posts with every possible question, link, explanation, and diagram?
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I started the THREAD to ask (1) question. "Have been playing with CTE a little, and I see the word "Pivot", is it the Same a Parallel Shift, or like Pivot from a FIXED POINT???"

I got a reply, to my question, and would have said nothing more but you asked. WHY?


FYI I played with CTE a little more today, and found several times I did not want to shot the shot, because in my mind I said to my self this will not go.

But began to have more confidence in the system when I saw balls going in the pocket that I thought would not go.

I saw enough good today to keep working with CTE, but also will not abandon what I have been using before. As I see CTE as a tool to be add to my tool belt! :rolleyes:

NUFF SAID!!!!!:wink::wink:
 
Good post CocoboloCowboy, glad to see you are giving it a fair shot, and getting some results.
 
CreeDo said:
Why would you start a new CTE thread when there's so many other threads on it, one of which has over 500 posts with every possible question, link, explanation, and diagram?

CTE is "meant" to be understood by sifting through hours of and hours of drek, or at least that's how hal wants it to be for a certain group of people. I guess he wants them to "pay their dues" or whatever. So you're not going to get straight and valid answers. Only two guys are definitely qualified to answer (learned directly from hal) and another couple are big maybes (like maybe they figured it out and maybe they're just winging it).

Dig through spidey's posts, read his blog, read the CTE mathematics post, and you'll see a bunch of stuff about the pivot.

Note, I'm not really knocking you for asking. I asked the same thing many times. Lots of people have. I could not get a straight answer about whether the pivot happens from a fixed point or not. There probably are no straight answers regarding pivot because it's a feel thing that may be different from player to player. It may even matter if you're left handed or right handed. You might need to figure out a pivot that works and practice it for a thousand hours.

Spidey recommends pivoting from the hips. He stresses the pivot is not around the bridge, and pivoting around the bridge WILL cause failure. He's also mentioned that the central point of the pivot may be around the joint of the cue.
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It seems as if Hal has them make a blood vow to withhold and confuse. But I know that Hal is a very sharing person, however Pa is too far for me to travel to see him in person. When I did see him in person he was teaching a fractional system but that was many, many years ago in So. Calif. Oh well, I'm having fun anyway.
 
I agree Jason, it wasn't easy. Do you think he was serious or just rattling the cage. (lol)
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Have been playing with CTE a little, and I see the word "Pivot", is it the Same a Parallel Shift, or like Pivot from a FIXED POINT???

P.S. When is Patrick Johnson coming back from Ban, or is he gone?
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If you're looking to PJ to answer this question, you can wish in one hand and sh1t in another and bet which one fills up first.
 
CreeDo said:
Why would you start a new CTE thread when there's so many other threads on it, one of which has over 500 posts with every possible question, link, explanation, and diagram?

CTE is "meant" to be understood by sifting through hours of and hours of drek, or at least that's how hal wants it to be for a certain group of people. I guess he wants them to "pay their dues" or whatever. So you're not going to get straight and valid answers. Only two guys are definitely qualified to answer (learned directly from hal) and another couple are big maybes (like maybe they figured it out and maybe they're just winging it).

Dig through spidey's posts, read his blog, read the CTE mathematics post, and you'll see a bunch of stuff about the pivot.

Note, I'm not really knocking you for asking. I asked the same thing many times. Lots of people have. I could not get a straight answer about whether the pivot happens from a fixed point or not. There probably are no straight answers regarding pivot because it's a feel thing that may be different from player to player. It may even matter if you're left handed or right handed. You might need to figure out a pivot that works and practice it for a thousand hours.

Spidey recommends pivoting from the hips. He stresses the pivot is not around the bridge, and pivoting around the bridge WILL cause failure. He's also mentioned that the central point of the pivot may be around the joint of the cue.
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Forget the pivot point of the cue. Your brain can't calculate that. What you can calculate is the exact arc (based on a large imaginary circle). Pivot to the arc and let the effective pivot point form itself. It's different for every shot.

Pivoting from the hips is best (not required) but def the best because it enables you to arc accurately for all shots over 1 diamond apart (naturally). In addition, it maintains your eye/cue alignment. For me, personally, I'll hip pivot for really short shots as well, but you have to move your feet/shoulder alignment also in order to replicate an arc for a small circle.
 
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