All around best american player??

[jmurphy]

So you're saying that when guys like SVB and Bartram and Mills and Alex play those race to 100 sets they don't have to stay focused? Wow, that's pretty amazing!

No I am not saying a race to 100 don't require focuse... But it's not the same by any means. After each game you get to reset and start over this is not the same as 300 - 400 balls with out a miss. Checkers vs. Chess

 

[suprnva]

No I am not saying a race to 100 don't require focuse... But it's not the same by any means. After each game you get to reset and start over this is not the same as 300 - 400 balls with out a miss. Checkers vs. Chess

You mean that when the balls are being racked in 14.1 you don't get to take a minute to "reset" yourself? What do you do? Keep running around the table and stoking at imaginary balls while you wait? In 14.1 are you not allow to stop for a minute here and there to grab something to drink or a quick bite from a candy bar or go to the bathroom? Because I've read the BCA rule book and I don't remember those rules being in there at all.

 

[Marvel]

We'll never know my friend. It's like the argument who was the better One Pocket player, Ronnie or Efren? We'll never know.

Yes we do know.

Efren.

All the old skool commentators have cleared this multiple times already, so give it up.

 

[Marvel]

Larry has a winning record against Archer in tournaments. Does that mean Larry is better even though Archer beat him gambling?

At least try to make valid points if you're going to waste the time to type.

At least he made valid point referring to Larry's temper. Teach the bone head some manners so he might get a game. John's not the only one avoiding or disliking his manners and temper.

 

[jmurphy]

You mean that when the balls are being racked in 14.1 you don't get to take a minute to "reset" yourself? What do you do? Keep running around the table and stoking at imaginary balls while you wait? In 14.1 are you not allow to stop for a minute here and there to grab something to drink or a quick bite from a candy bar or go to the bathroom? Because I've read the BCA rule book and I don't remember those rules being in there at all.

Well I guess I will leave it as this. Go ask any Champion who is a great all around player which is more difficult. putting a 8pack on someone or running 200 in straight pool?

 

[suprnva]

At least he made valid point referring to Larry's temper. Teach the bone head some manners so he might get a game. John's not the only one avoiding or disliking his manners and temper.

I've said it many times. If that's the reason people don't want to play him, just say so. I've talked with Bartram a few times and he's told me that's why he won't play him. OK, fine. But Bartram doesn't come on here and talk shit about Larry or brag about himself. John talks shit, brags, and doesn't back it up. He's a heartless douche and that's all there is too it.

And how is it that Hennessee acts worse than Larry does but he gets action all the time? Hmm.

 

[dash]

Hope i don't get blasted for this but saying straight pool is not a real game is like saying mosconi,caras,crane etc.etc.were just practicing for all their years.not real competetion.I cannot at all agree with this.I do understand most players today do not play but to say it is no more than a practice game does not do justice to the oldtimers who played it.
Also i've met both john & larry both are incredibly talented and gifted players.when i met them they were both cordial and carried themselves well.would i love to see them matchup.sure.just not with all the theatrics.
would i bet on it?not on ur life.lol.(and yes i do gamble):thumbup:
oh yeah the thread
probably sigel or varner two warriors

hope i haven't offended ANYONE.

----DASH----

 

[suprnva]

Well I guess I will leave it as this. Go ask any Champion who is a great all around player which is more difficult. putting a 8pack on someone or running 200 in straight pool?

8-pack vs 200? OK, let's put some logic into this one quick. Say you're playing 9-ball and you make 1 ball on each break. You have to now run a total of 64 balls for an 8-pack. You have to shoot all 64 of those balls IN ORDER. After each break you might not have a clear shot at your first ball and you might have to kick or jump.

Now for the 200 in 14.1. You make your 1st ball and break open the rack. Now you shoot balls IN RANDOM ORDER until you leave yourself a cut on the last ball and do it all over again. After the break, as long as you actually hit the pack which any top player should be able to do, you're going to be able to find your first shot without having to worry about kicking or jumping. Odds are you won't have to kick, jump or even bank in the entire 200 balls.

Oh yeah, 14.1 is so much harder. And if you look outside, right now, you're going to see that the sky is now green, the grass is blue, and Elvis is preforming a concert in your yard.

 

[Marvel]

Chris you're a pretty smart cookie yourself and a damn good gambler. BUT, you don't know pool quite as well as you think you do. Efren in his prime against Ronnie in his prime would have been no contest. But it wouldn't come out the way you think. Overall Ronnie was the superior player. I won't go into all the reasons why, but he was.

Ronnie claims today that Efren is the best he ever saw, but Ronnie was never one to brag. I will say this, Ronnie knew things about One Pocket that will be lost when he's gone. He had moves to "funnel" balls toward his pocket that no one knows or shoots today. NO ONE! He could escape traps with two and three rail kicks that are never seen or shot at today.

His ability to shoot off angle combinations, find dead balls in the pack, and make crazy billiard shots may never be seen again. No one could read the pack better than Ronnie. Efren isn't even close there. One more big plus was that Ronnie NEVER missed a ball to win a big game or a big match. He was fearless under pressure, the bigger the bet the better he played. You would have really enjoyed seeing him play. You wouldn't be able to take your eyes off him. No one could.

Plus he was entertaining as hell, with a gift of gab unmatched this side of Keith McCready. And when he turned that conversation on, his game went up a ball and his opponents went down a ball. Add all these things up, and you'll see why he was the top dog in One Pocket for twenty years or more.

One last thing Chris, Ronnie was a grinder like you. He was always giving up the nuts, so he had to play a long time to get the money. God bless Efren, but he has some quit in him. I've seen it. Get him down a few games and he's looking for the door. Get Ronnie down and he wants to raise the bet. You would have liked him, a lot! Back then.

Time goldens the memories.

 

[jmurphy]

8-pack vs 200? OK, let's put some logic into this one quick. Say you're playing 9-ball and you make 1 ball on each break. You have to now run a total of 64 balls for an 8-pack. You have to shoot all 64 of those balls IN ORDER. After each break you might not have a clear shot at your first ball and you might have to kick or jump.

Now for the 200 in 14.1. You make your 1st ball and break open the rack. Now you shoot balls IN RANDOM ORDER until you leave yourself a cut on the last ball and do it all over again. After the break, as long as you actually hit the pack which any top player should be able to do, you're going to be able to find your first shot without having to worry about kicking or jumping. Odds are you won't have to kick, jump or even bank in the entire 200 balls.

Oh yeah, 14.1 is so much harder. And if you look outside, right now, you're going to see that the sky is now green, the grass is blue, and Elvis is preforming a concert in your yard.

Hey I live in Vegas so it might be even money that Elvis is preforming in my back yard as we speak...........

 

[Marvel]

I've said it many times. If that's the reason people don't want to play him, just say so. I've talked with Bartram a few times and he's told me that's why he won't play him. OK, fine. But Bartram doesn't come on here and talk shit about Larry or brag about himself. John talks shit, brags, and doesn't back it up. He's a heartless douche and that's all there is too it.

And how is it that Hennessee acts worse than Larry does but he gets action all the time? Hmm.

Good point also.

And gotta add, that John was ready to play Larry 14.1, so the reason him not to play Larry cannot be only his temper. Could it be John is afraid of getting busted in all-around?

 

[suprnva]

Could it be John is afraid of getting busted in all-around?

Bingo! John obviously doesn't feel he's the favorite to win in anything except 14.1. Larry did say that 14.1 would be included in the "career match" though. There are 8 games in that match and John has major titles in 4 of them. Should be a blowout based on that and the fact that Larry obviously has no talent.

 

[suprnva]

Hey I live in Vegas so it might be even money that Elvis is preforming in my back yard as we speak...........

Nice. Do you like living in Vegas? It's easily my favorite city and I would love to live there, but I would never raise my kid there so until she's 18 and off to college it won't happen.

 

[jay helfert]

IMHO I think if Efren was watching Ronnie playing one pocket there is only one reason for that, and that is that Efren was trying to figure out if he could spot Ronnie 12-5 or 12-6.

Be careful Donny. Some day you'll be an old man!

 

[jmurphy]

Nice. Do you like living in Vegas? It's easily my favorite city and I would love to live there, but I would never raise my kid there so until she's 18 and off to college it won't happen.

Vegas is a cool place to live. But trust me you will get tired of the casinos in short order. Pool action is the worst of anywhere in the country. Most pool players fancy them selfs as card players and therefore keep them selfs busted at the poker tables, that and 13% unemployment in Vegas means all most no money flowing around the pool rooms.
The pool rooms out here are OK but I guess I was spoiled growing up in Va. Beach Va. with the US-Open 9Ball event & Q-Masters Billiards. I know Barry The owner of Q-Masters can be a butt head but he always kept a first class pool room.

 

[john schmidt]

hi

Nice. Do you like living in Vegas? It's easily my favorite city and I would love to live there, but I would never raise my kid there so until she's 18 and off to college it won't happen.

actually we are close at 9ball close at 1hole and i would edge him out at 14.1. i will play him all around which is those 3 games. thats the best i can do.ill let you bet your 10 dollars on the side

 

[jay helfert]

Yes we do know.

Efren.

All the old skool commentators have cleared this multiple times already, so give it up.

Yeah, all those guys who Ronnie robbed and rubbed it in afterwards. He was always egging guys to play, and offering weight. I do a little commentary myself and I guess you could call me old school. I happen to like Ronnie between these two. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see it the way I see it.

The Ronnie of the 70's would have Efren shaking his head and digging into his wallet.

 

[suprnva]

Vegas is a cool place to live. But trust me you will get tired of the casinos in short order. Pool action is the worst of anywhere in the country. Most pool players fancy them selfs as card players and therefore keep them selfs busted at the poker tables, that and 13% unemployment in Vegas means all most no money flowing around the pool rooms.
The pool rooms out here are OK but I guess I was spoiled growing up in Va. Beach Va. with the US-Open 9Ball event & Q-Masters Billiards. I know Barry The owner of Q-Masters can be a butt head but he always kept a first class pool room.

Dude, you want bad pool action come to Wisconsin. It's sooooooooooooo bad. If people play $100 a set it's the biggest deal in the world because it's so rare. Everyone here just wants to drink. I'll tell you what though, we might be the best state at that! LOL.

 

[suprnva]

actually we are close at 9ball close at 1hole and i would edge him out at 14.1. i will play him all around which is those 3 games. thats the best i can do.ill let you bet your 10 dollars on the side

The only way 14.1 is getting thrown in the mix is in the "career match". 9 or 10-ball, one-pocket, 8-ball and banks. Pick 3 of those. You can probably even pick full rack banks if you want. Hell, just play two of those. What's the worst that happens then, you break even? That's not that bad if you ask me. Shit, just play one of those! Is there a snooker table in Vegas? I think there's one at the Cue Club but I can't remember. If so, play that! The only American that's going to give you action in 14.1 is Harriman so you might as well just quit asking.

 

[jmurphy]

Dude, you want bad pool action come to Wisconsin. It's sooooooooooooo bad. If people play $100 a set it's the biggest deal in the world because it's so rare. Everyone here just wants to drink. I'll tell you what though, we might be the best state at that! LOL.

The funny thing is that our most recent action in Vegas has been from High "B" and Low "A" players. Some $500 sets and even a couple $2,000 sets. This coming from players that might break and run one or two racks in a race to 10. The guys that can really play are busted and wont play unless they have the total nutzzzzz.