All around best american player??

[john schmidt]

hi

John,

Larry just called me. You've got the best action of your life if you want it. Here's the offer:

You do Larry's job for 1 month and hit the same amount of balls that he does in that month. Then, at the end of the month you and he will play ALL the games. 14.1, 9-ball, 10-ball, 8-ball, one-pocket, banks, snooker and 3-cushion. Whoever loses the most sets playing all the games has to agree to never play a pro tour event again. If that person does play one, it's a $20k fine. Larry will agree to have this written up by a lawyer if you'd like as well.

I don't think there's a better way to find out who's got more talent than this. Put up or shut up.

-Patrick

like i ever said until someone runs 400 and wins open im the best.nobody would ever speak to me if i said stuff like that.your making things up now.

ask larry if hed like to see whos won more when we both played everyday.

we can bet 10,000 on that. that will end the talent debate.

 

[suprnva]

Larry just called. He wants people to know that he's not just trying to pick on John. Any living human, that can pass a drug test (Larry plays 100% clean so his opponent can't use anything to boost their game like we know some players out there will do) can play Larry the exact same way he offered to play John in the "career match".

Any living human! How strong is that?

 

[suprnva]

like i ever said until someone runs 400 and wins open im the best.nobody would ever speak to me if i said stuff like that.your making things up now.

ask larry if hed like to see whos won more when we both played everyday.

we can bet 10,000 on that. that will end the talent debate.

You did say it John. You can deny it all you want. Maybe you don't remember it. But you did say it. I knew you were going to say it's a lie when I posted it. Whatever though.

You've mentioned before that you want to bet who's won more tournaments between the two of you. I've asked you to clarify what tournaments count a few times and you haven't responded. So, which tournaments count? Want to just use the ones listed under your profiles here on AZ? Or do you want to use anything that proof can be provided for? Give me some more info and we might be able to make something happen.

Oh, and are you turning down his offer for the "career match"?

And another thing, I don't think Larry has played everyday since he was young. He hardly ever goes to practice. Only before big events does he get in the pool room a few times a week and that's only the week before he leaves.

 

[Tommy-D]

> Allow me to try and bump this back on course.

It's impossible to dispute John's status in this debate,400 on any table,esp a Diamond is a MONSTER. He's also very successful in tournaments,winning in different games. To be quite honest,at this point in time there isn't a better 14.1 player in America. By his own admission,his break would let him down in rotation games. I tend to agree,but think his break is better than he thinks it is,but Johnny,Shannon,and a couple others will outbreak him,but he still sends it in.

Shannon I think is the equal of anyone in America in the rotation games,because of his break. His one-pocket acumen speaks for itself,same goes for banks. He's told me himself he has no desire to play 14.1,just that he CAN play it. To me,that takes him out of the running in the context of this debate.

Buddy hates the game,and has still run 100's. I never saw it,but the word is he played pretty sporty one-hole and bank. Dominance in one game doesn't automatically get you into the discussion.

Johnny's 9-ball prowess,and a strong 14.1 game puts him in contention,but lack of one-pocket credentials eliminates him.

It may not be long before we have to include Shane.

With all this being said,I think Sigel or Nick at their best are still just a hair better than John,no disrespect intended or hopefully perceived. They also won titles in a game no one has really mentioned here,8-ball. Tommy D.

 

[john schmidt]

hi

you mentioned larrys got a job ,let me guess hes a anger management instructor lol.

oh and as far as tourneys go how about ones that pay at least 10,000 not the little mini tour ones where hes the only good player who shows up.

 

[suprnva]

you mentioned larrys got a job ,let me guess hes a anger management instructor lol.

oh and as far as tourneys go how about ones that pay at least 10,000 not the little mini tour ones where hes the only good player who shows up.

You sure do like to talk a lot of shit about Larry's temper. Yeah, he gets upset at the table at times. He puts a lot of pressure on himself to play perfect and when he doesn't, it bothers him. But that's what you're good at, talking shit. You won't actually back any of it up though. If you're so good, get up and play. Larry isn't scared to play. Bartram isn't scared to play. I bet we can find plenty of people that aren't scared to play too. You are a scared little ***** and if you keep running your mouth the way you do someone is gonna get sick of it and shut you up. You obviously don't like Larry so just take his "career match" offer, beat him and you don't have to worry about him anymore. It should be easy for a world champion like yourself.

You have no ****ing heart. Hell, you're even too scared to play when it's other people's money on the line. Obviously you know you have no chance to beat a talentless fool like Larry. All those titles you've won don't mean shit since you can't prove that you deserve them and not that you luckboxed your way through some tournaments. If I were you I'd just take all your trophies and plaques and burn them since you don't deserve them.

 

[mikeyfrost]

> Allow me to try and bump this back on course.

It's impossible to dispute John's status in this debate,400 on any table,esp a Diamond is a MONSTER. He's also very successful in tournaments,winning in different games. To be quite honest,at this point in time there isn't a better 14.1 player in America. By his own admission,his break would let him down in rotation games. I tend to agree,but think his break is better than he thinks it is,but Johnny,Shannon,and a couple others will outbreak him,but he still sends it in.

Shannon I think is the equal of anyone in America in the rotation games,because of his break. His one-pocket acumen speaks for itself,same goes for banks. He's told me himself he has no desire to play 14.1,just that he CAN play it. To me,that takes him out of the running in the context of this debate.

Buddy hates the game,and has still run 100's. I never saw it,but the word is he played pretty sporty one-hole and bank. Dominance in one game doesn't automatically get you into the discussion.

Johnny's 9-ball prowess,and a strong 14.1 game puts him in contention,but lack of one-pocket credentials eliminates him.

It may not be long before we have to include Shane.

With all this being said,I think Sigel or Nick at their best are still just a hair better than John,no disrespect intended or hopefully perceived. They also won titles in a game no one has really mentioned here,8-ball. Tommy D.

Hard to argue with that! Anyone that knows a true champion and has gotten to see them in gear realize they can do things that just make you want to put your cue away forever. I've seen Shannon pull so many moves and shots off I feel like he's got an edge in an all around scenario. John shoots super straight, probably right next to SVB, Archer, and Corey in flat out ball making.

Top 5 dead or alive status is what most of them let us talk about while they just do what comes natural to them. Anyone mentioned in this debate is a true champion.

 

[mikeyfrost]

You sure do like to talk a lot of shit about Larry's temper. Yeah, he gets upset at the table at times. He puts a lot of pressure on himself to play perfect and when he doesn't, it bothers him. But that's what you're good at, talking shit. You won't actually back any of it up though. If you're so good, get up and play. Larry isn't scared to play. Bartram isn't scared to play. I bet we can find plenty of people that aren't scared to play too. You are a scared little ***** and if you keep running your mouth the way you do someone is gonna get sick of it and shut you up. You obviously don't like Larry so just take his "career match" offer, beat him and you don't have to worry about him anymore. It should be easy for a world champion like yourself.

You have no ****ing heart. Hell, you're even too scared to play when it's other people's money on the line. Obviously you know you have no chance to beat a talentless fool like Larry. All those titles you've won don't mean shit since you can't prove that you deserve them and not that you luckboxed your way through some tournaments. If I were you I'd just take all your trophies and plaques and burn them since you don't deserve them.

I'm not picking on you here but you do realize John is a grown man right? You are not going to woof him into action. He doesn't like Larry's attitude I guess. I hope they play some though, would be a battle cause Larry might not be #1 in any particular game but he plays them all beyond well. Just tell Larry to practice up his straight pool and then they can play 5 games, first to 3 sets is a winner. Play them in reverse order and save banks and straight pool for the last games.

 

[donny mills]

At the DCC a couple yrs ago, every time Efren played a match, RONNIE was watching and visa versa. Its a testiment of mutual respect and admiration.

As far as all-around US player, Nick Varner would be my choice if all games are involved. One guy that is hardly ever mentioned is Steve Cook, I know he played all the games real sporty.

Any of thses guys are serious canidates;

Archer
Harriman
Schmidt
Hatch

IMHO I think if Efren was watching Ronnie playing one pocket there is only one reason for that, and that is that Efren was trying to figure out if he could spot Ronnie 12-5 or 12-6.

 

[mikeyfrost]

IMHO I think if Efren was watching Ronnie playing one pocket there is only one reason for that, and that is that Efren was trying to figure out if he could spot Ronnie 12-5 or 12-6.

Ain't that the truth...preach on Big Ern

 

[donny mills]

who says i cant give you last 2. so you won a set good shootin.
you got last 2 9ball, lets play everyday for next year ,trust me youll stick to poker.

dont lie chris you said 14.1 is ajoke.come on now chris just act like a adult and i would quit giving you hard time.

p.s. i still think bill would edge you out but hey you wont play 14.1 because its a joke you say , so we will never find out.

I'll give you the last 2 playing 9ball quite a few days of this year if you want it... and I haven't won a major title either.

 

[suprnva]

I'm not picking on you here but you do realize John is a grown man right? You are not going to woof him into action. He doesn't like Larry's attitude I guess. I hope they play some though, would be a battle cause Larry might not be #1 in any particular game but he plays them all beyond well. Just tell Larry to practice up his straight pool and then they can play 5 games, first to 3 sets is a winner. Play them in reverse order and save banks and straight pool for the last games.

I'm not trying to woof him into action. He has no intentions of play games that he doesn't think he's a lock in so it's useless. I'm just telling him the way things are. I'm brutally honest and I think that if more people would be that way instead of trying to sugar coat shit everyone would be better off. Everything I said so far in this thread and everything I will ever say will be the truth (no pun intended).

 

[suprnva]

I'll give you the last 2 playing 9ball quite a few days of this year if you want it... and I haven't won a major title either.

Car salesman of the year isn't a major title? Or have you not won that yet? lol.

 

[john schmidt]

hi

I'll give you the last 2 playing 9ball quite a few days of this year if you want it... and I haven't won a major title either.

sure ill play rack for each other ,and balls have to be in the order i say. otherwise i have no chance. how about we just play 9 or 10 ball ghost.that way the break wont help you.

 

[jmurphy]

I think my high run is 22. I realized at ball 5 that it wasn't a real game and once I missed I stopped playing. But I've never claimed to be any good. You're the one that talks about how great you are. You might not know it, but you had I have met in person before and we've talked a little. You made a comment to me that I'll never forget and it's the comment that made me realize the kind of person you really are. The comment was, and I quote, "Until someone else wins the US Open and runs 400 balls, I'm the best." What the **** is that? Who even thinks something like that?

I do know this much though, I might not be any good but if there are people out there that I'm confident I'm supposed to beat, I'll get up and play if they offer me a game. That's something you know nothing about.

I don't mean disrespect to anyone here but I had to speak out at least once. The reason so few people play Straight Pool is because the game is too hard period!!!!! 8ball, 9ball, 10ball, Banks, One pocket compared to Straight Pool is like comparing Checkers to Chess. It's paint by numbers vs. Michael Angelo

People just don't have the mental focus to play Straight Pool. Sure we can have laser focus for a rack of 8ball, 9ball, 10ball etc.... but show laser focus for 100, 200, 300, 400 balls.

 

[tedkaufman]

Well said, Murph. Absolutely true. I've seen so many 9-ballers go into mental meltdown trying 14.1 it's comical.

 

[john schmidt]

hi

I don't mean disrespect to anyone here but I had to speak out at least once. The reason so few people play Straight Pool is because the game is too hard period!!!!! 8ball, 9ball, 10ball, Banks, One pocket compared to Straight Pool is like comparing Checkers to Chess. It's paint by numbers vs. Michael Angelo

People just don't have the mental focus to play Straight Pool. Sure we can have laser focus for a rack of 8ball, 9ball, 10ball etc.... but show laser focus for 100, 200, 300, 400 balls.

exactly good post. also the numbers dont tell you which one too shoot next. also in 9ball you break lucky sometimes in 14.1 you dont rely on lucking in balls off break and getting straight in on 1ball.

 

[suprnva]

I don't mean disrespect to anyone here but I had to speak out at least once. The reason so few people play Straight Pool is because the game is too hard period!!!!! 8ball, 9ball, 10ball, Banks, One pocket compared to Straight Pool is like comparing Checkers to Chess. It's paint by numbers vs. Michael Angelo

People just don't have the mental focus to play Straight Pool. Sure we can have laser focus for a rack of 8ball, 9ball, 10ball etc.... but show laser focus for 100, 200, 300, 400 balls.

So you're saying that when guys like SVB and Bartram and Mills and Alex play those race to 100 sets they don't have to stay focused? Wow, that's pretty amazing!

 

[suprnva]

exactly good post. also the numbers dont tell you which one too shoot next. also in 9ball you break lucky sometimes in 14.1 you dont rely on lucking in balls off break and getting straight in on 1ball.

So after you've run down and you're going for your break shot on the next rack you aren't hoping for a little bit of luck to give you a good shot afterward? Interesting.

 

[jmurphy]

exactly good post. also the numbers dont tell you which one too shoot next. also in 9ball you break lucky sometimes in 14.1 you dont rely on lucking in balls off break and getting straight in on 1ball.

John since we have never met I assume that is you in the blue shirt in your Avatar? Assuming of course that you are not the one with the tits or Joe Rogan...LOL
I live in Las Vegas so if I see you I will stop by and say hello.