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mullyman

mullyman

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There have been various threads on this forum about 9-ball vs 10-ball and I've always taken the stance that "it's just one more frickin' ball, what's the big deal?"
Well, I was speaking out of ignorance because I had never actually played 10 ball. Tonight I was shooting some straight pool with a friend and while I was racking for him the thought popped in my head so I said "Hey, have you ever played 10-ball?" he said no so I suggested a race to 6 after we were finished with the straights.

It's a totally different demon. I was slamming that rack with everything I have and only making one ball or nothing. The balls also seem to come to a stop in weird positions too and the patterns actually look different. Strange.

Anyway, I apologize. I was wrong. Interesting game. I think I'll be playing quite a bit of it from now on. I liked it.
MULLY
I won the set 6-5
 
Not only is it harder to make a ball on the break. The rules for ten ball really make is such a skilled game. It basically takes all the luck out of the game.
 
lukemindish said:
Not only is it harder to make a ball on the break. The rules for ten ball really make is such a skilled game. It basically takes all the luck out of the game.
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Fill me in on the rules. We were just playing 9-ball rules. Didn't know there was anything else.
MULLY
 
mullyman said:
Fill me in on the rules. We were just playing 9-ball rules. Didn't know there was anything else.
MULLY
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Mully:

- 10 on the break is not a win - the 10 spots up and breaker keeps shooting

- call shot, ball and pocket. Call all banks and combo's. If the called ball doesn't drop, it's loss of turn.

- if a called ball doesn't drop, but drops somewhere else or a ball is slopped in, the incoming player has a choice to shoot or give the shot back

- if a ball drops on a safety, the incoming shooter has a choice to give the shot back.

All else is like 9 ball. It results in far fewer rolls.

Chris
 
TATE said:
Mully:

- 10 on the break is not a win - the 10 spots up and breaker keeps shooting

- call shot, ball and pocket. Call all banks and combo's. If the called ball doesn't drop, it's loss of turn.

- if a called ball doesn't drop, but drops somewhere else or a ball is slopped in, the incoming player has a choice to shoot or give the shot back

- if a ball drops on a safety, the incoming shooter has a choice to give the shot back.

All else is like 9 ball. It results in far fewer rolls.

Chris
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I thought that on the break the ten only gets spotted if it goes in the bottom two pockets where you rack. I thought that if you make the ten in any other pocket you win the game.
 
For me there is a huge difference between the two games. I have a hip problem and trying to make a ball on the break playing ten ball just aggravates it more. I just recently passed on playing in the Mezz tournament held at the Hard Times in Bellflower for that reason. After a couple of hours of playing ten ball I might as well quit because of the pain.

I can still handle playing nine ball, well at least I can last a bit longer.

In ten ball even if I do make a ball on the break the runout becomes very difficult because of the mess I leave at one end of the table. Strange thing is that I have done very well in the ten ball tournaments I have played in. Mainly because my opponent also has trouble getting out because of the mess I leave. People come up and ask if we're playing one pocket.
 
The rules are in flux. The WPA wants them one way. Predator 10-ball has them another. I've been playing 10-ball for 20 years and this call shot idea is brand new in the grand scheme of things.

The challenge matches on TAR have been mostly the Predator 10-ball rules, I believe. At least, of the couple of hundred games I've had the pleasure to be part of.

Fred
 
Ah well, we've all been there :) Now play it on a diamond table and you'll have a new appreciation for seeing souquet put up a 6-pack.
 
The difference in the break coupled with the extra ball is huge. In 9 Ball, make a couple on the break and your playing 6-7 ball with little traffic. In 10 Ball even if you make 1-2 on the snap (which is more difficult) you're still looking at running 8-9 balls with fewer open lanes.
 
dabarbr said:
For me there is a huge difference between the two games. I have a hip problem and trying to make a ball on the break playing ten ball just aggravates it more. I just recently passed on playing in the Mezz tournament held at the Hard Times in Bellflower for that reason. After a couple of hours of playing ten ball I might as well quit because of the pain.

I can still handle playing nine ball, well at least I can last a bit longer.

In ten ball even if I do make a ball on the break the runout becomes very difficult because of the mess I leave at one end of the table. Strange thing is that I have done very well in the ten ball tournaments I have played in. Mainly because my opponent also has trouble getting out because of the mess I leave. People come up and ask if we're playing one pocket.
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Hmmmmm: One Pocket, 9 ball .... but not so likey 10 ball.... hmmm.
JoeyA
 
mullyman said:
Well, I was speaking out of ignorance because I had never actually played 10 ball.
It's a totally different demon. I was slamming that rack with everything I have and only making one ball or nothing. The balls also seem to come to a stop in weird positions too and the patterns actually look different. Strange.

Anyway, I apologize. I was wrong. Interesting game. I think I'll be playing quite a bit of it from now on. I liked it.
MULLY
I won the set 6-5
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This is a great post, Jim, because there are dozens of subjects that are discussed on the internet for several years, that those of us who put a lot of effort into the discussion... we know those of you who actually have never tried, done, or anything to that subject. So, we already know that you (general) have never done it, tried it, have any experience at it. And that's part of the frustration out of this forum or any billiard forum. Many of us have spent hundreds of hours at whatever subject we're talking about, and some responders who know nothing about what we're talking about somehow want to have a big voice. And all that does is confuse the issue and muck up the true learning. You are not the only one who has attempted to simplify and belittle the vast difference between 9-ball and 10-ball. You're recent experience proves that some of us with more experience really do know what we're talking about. Way more than you, considering you've never done it before. Consider that this is your first real attempt at 10-ball. I first played 10-ball in 1985 or 1986.

So, yes, Mully, great post. I personally have been saying what you've now discovered for over a decade on various forums as well as having the privilege of saying these things on a hundred hours of live internet broadcast.

My biggest message: for those of you who never really have any experience at some of the subjects that are discussed on these boards, you might want to stfu before spewing and simply read and pay attention. Because in the end, those of us who have poured our heart and soul into that particular subject already know that you've never been there and done that. And much of the discussion is an attempt to infuse you all(general) with some of that heartache and heart burn that we've already experienced. But, I know after all these years, some of you (general) can't help but try to teach us, even though we've already lived through that pain while you (general) clearly have not.

Fred <~~~ excellent post Mully, so hopefully my message is loud and clear.
 
I like the rules played on Tony Robles' tour and the same as was played at Corey's event.

Call shot or call safe.

On any missed shot the incoming player can make the outgoing player shoot again or take the shot where it lies.

You cannot call safe and pocket a ball. If you do then the incoming player can make you shoot again.

Those rules make it such a better game. No more lucky safeties deciding the game. No more lucky shots where the object goes 27 rails and caroms off four balls.

There is still some luck in the game but it's greatly reduced and skill is once again rewarded more than luck.

I love ten ball under these rules and I sincerely hope that these rules end up being what the pros adopt.
 
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