See, I was just trying to give everyone an example of what goes through the mind of a league operator when they read posts like yours and others here. I really wasn't trying to pick on you. But you made my point. "...just the 3 which we needed, because our other 3 was out of town. so because of the guy going up which we didnt notice until the middle of the match we had to forfeit...". You didn't mention that in your first post, and led folks to believe that the LO had it in for you by making it so you HAD to forfeit. This is an example of the story being told one way to serve the purposes of the storyteller.
So get this. (APA League Operator Rant)
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See, I was just trying to give everyone an example of what goes through the mind of a league operator when they read posts like yours and others here. I really wasn't trying to pick on you. But you made my point. "...just the 3 which we needed, because our other 3 was out of town. so because of the guy going up which we didnt notice until the middle of the match we had to forfeit...". You didn't mention that in your first post, and led folks to believe that the LO had it in for you by making it so you HAD to forfeit. This is an example of the story being told one way to serve the purposes of the storyteller.
all that aside I believe that I touched upon this in my earlier posts, the rant was about a guy who is NOT a 4 in anyones eyes (people on other teams even agree) and was recruited because of this, was raised because they couldn't raise anyone else to screw with us we put together a fairly stacked team in which eveyone was an established player, and had been at their ranking for over a year. I remember the guys inning (you mentioned earlier) because it was rediculous how long 2-3's could play a race to two if you want I can provide you with the players name and player number maybe you can look up what I am talking about. instead of saying that I have it out for the APA I speak/write the facts as not only i see it but the majority of our league and apparantly others players on here see it you dont take into consideration that I dealt with myself going up to a 7 for about a year, and 2 5's going not going down when they should. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY A MEETING THE DAY BEFORE PLAYOFFS MAKES A SUBPAR PLAYER GO UP TO UN WINNABLE NUMBER?
this is not how it should work the numbers (innings)and maybe the LO personally should find a way of watching a suspected player themselves and make a decision, not because of whining and just plain poor sportsmanship Say what you want this happens in the same league the female LO is on a all womans league, and her team mates although they went to vegas as a certain rank were dropped after a few losses which I thought wasn't supposed to happen, (once you go up to a higher level tourn. that's what you play as, it is the case for some of the guys in the same league as ours. You know what I am done THE APA is the GREATEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD. GOOD LUCK BEING A PART OF IT.
this is not how it should work the numbers (innings)and maybe the LO personally should find a way of watching a suspected player themselves and make a decision, not because of whining and just plain poor sportsmanship Say what you want this happens in the same league the female LO is on a all womans league, and her team mates although they went to vegas as a certain rank were dropped after a few losses which I thought wasn't supposed to happen, (once you go up to a higher level tourn. that's what you play as, it is the case for some of the guys in the same league as ours. You know what I am done THE APA is the GREATEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD. GOOD LUCK BEING A PART OF IT.
Playing on 7 footers for playoffs/regionals is not unusual. Not sure if it's a rule, but it makes sense as that is what 95% of the APA plays on (might even be 99%). And if you get to Vegas, there won't be a big table anywhere in sight.
We play on 9 footers in our in-house APA league. I definitely prefer it that way, but we have always switched over to 7 footers for tri-annuals/regionals. However, for league playoffs, we stay on the 9 footers.
If there are any teams that play on 7 footers during a session, then I think most league operators will switch to the 7 footers for playoffs. It's not a shady deal but it is suspect if the decision happens during the session.
We play on 9 footers in our in-house APA league. I definitely prefer it that way, but we have always switched over to 7 footers for tri-annuals/regionals. However, for league playoffs, we stay on the 9 footers.
If there are any teams that play on 7 footers during a session, then I think most league operators will switch to the 7 footers for playoffs. It's not a shady deal but it is suspect if the decision happens during the session.
Whoa..... take it easy. People aren't jumping all over you, just trying to put some perspective on the issue. And while you are most certainly sure of your facts, and no one has any reason to doubt you, there are always two sides to every story. Everyone involed will have a different perspective, and that might differ from yours. This isn't a personal attack on your integrity.
It is difficult for anyone that is an objective outsider to your league to be able to make an opinion based soley on your side of the issue. It sure seems like there have been some funky things going on with the LO in your area, and if so, thats unfortunate. The thing is, you aren;t privvy to how these decisions were made and by whom, so you will never know why any of these moves were made. All you can make are assumptions. And based on your position and viewpoint, I can understand your being upset.
Just realize that there may indeed be some other issues in question that could have affected these skill levels. For instance, in your original post you cite that moving the one player up was going to screw you because your other 3 was out of town. That isn't something that any LO should or could have to worry about. It's examples such as these that make folks wonder what all of this really revolves around.
And yes, your LO could be one of the bad apples that give the league a bad name. And that would really fry my butt, as well. You're getting responses like mine because it isn't like this everywhere, so when the rants start blaming "the APA", that means the rant applies to all of us, not just you and your league. If you were complaining the "APA of (wherever I live)" is running a bad league, then you would have fewer people responding in a defensive manner. And no one thinks the APA is better than sliced bread, but for me it ain't a bad deal for where I live.
Take care and have some fun. Thats what it's supposed to be all about.
Its all good Its just the APA operator was citing quotes by me to make me look bad and LO"s the victims of complainers like me. when in truth he never addressed anthing except that we didn't notice our guy going up. (therefor being our fault)
I am not saying it wasn't our fault by not looking at the paperwork closely but when a guy who is in the bottom 10% of pool players i have ever winessed, (and will say so himself) is raised thats the argument I have, all the quoting me as a typical *****ing soresport doesn't clear up. anyof this, thats why I got mad... the LO who raised me t0 a 7 did so because i whooped some guys azz and he got to writing on the score sheet who knows what. so i know that these things (comments)have a large impact on SL's.
will I ever play on leagues sure I enjoy the competition. although i dont play to the same level as i used to. but i feel that as much as teams have to deal with sandbagging. and screwy races.and the awesome any pocket rule... having to overcome a douche LO really doesn't help. as i said. put yourself in my shoes when someone has nothing to say but sarcastic responses to what my gripes are beer is needed
I am not saying it wasn't our fault by not looking at the paperwork closely but when a guy who is in the bottom 10% of pool players i have ever winessed, (and will say so himself) is raised thats the argument I have, all the quoting me as a typical *****ing soresport doesn't clear up. anyof this, thats why I got mad... the LO who raised me t0 a 7 did so because i whooped some guys azz and he got to writing on the score sheet who knows what. so i know that these things (comments)have a large impact on SL's.
will I ever play on leagues sure I enjoy the competition. although i dont play to the same level as i used to. but i feel that as much as teams have to deal with sandbagging. and screwy races.and the awesome any pocket rule... having to overcome a douche LO really doesn't help. as i said. put yourself in my shoes when someone has nothing to say but sarcastic responses to what my gripes are beer is needed
Its all good Its just the APA operator was citing quotes by me to make me look bad and LO"s the victims of complainers like me. when in truth he never addressed anthing except that we didn't notice our guy going up. (therefor being our fault)
I am not saying it wasn't our fault by not looking at the paperwork closely but when a guy who is in the bottom 10% of pool players i have ever winessed, (and will say so himself) is raised thats the argument I have, all the quoting me as a typical *****ing soresport doesn't clear up. anyof this, thats why I got mad... the LO who raised me t0 a 7 did so because i whooped some guys azz and he got to writing on the score sheet who knows what. so i know that these things (comments)have a large impact on SL's.
will I ever play on leagues sure I enjoy the competition. although i dont play to the same level as i used to. but i feel that as much as teams have to deal with sandbagging. and screwy races.and the awesome any pocket rule... having to overcome a douche LO really doesn't help. as i said. put yourself in my shoes when someone has nothing to say but sarcastic responses to what my gripes are beer is needed
Beer is good for almost any situation! :thumbup:
(Especially leagues!)
Woo hoo! What will you do with a woman 7? Just asking; I'm already taken, lol.
Now who's being defensive? See what happens when the story is told differently? Who's the real bad guy in the story?
I said TWICE in my initial reply that none of what I was saying necessarily applies to you or your team. I don't know your exact situation. All I did was show how the situation could be totally different from the way you describe it, AS AN EXAMPLE.
But hey, if you would like me to choose another post as the example, just say the word.
Feel free to try it with the original post that started this thread. :thumbup:
It is sure not about the money
If your from STL you should check out Missouri 8 ball. 3 times a year if you win your division or the playoffs for the division wild card you get to play in a team tournament for $7000 and never leave town, just go to St Charles Mo. No obligation to play in the next session, once you qualify you are in, no hostage taking tactics.
From what I can tell if you like the APA you should play on the East side in Bruce Pattons 3 counties.
If your from STL you should check out Missouri 8 ball. 3 times a year if you win your division or the playoffs for the division wild card you get to play in a team tournament for $7000 and never leave town, just go to St Charles Mo. No obligation to play in the next session, once you qualify you are in, no hostage taking tactics.
From what I can tell if you like the APA you should play on the East side in Bruce Pattons 3 counties.
Ok, you're on. Please keep in mind that I'm not defending the LO, only providing the perspective of an LO who reads your post. I picked the other one because it was the most recent and there was nothing behind it to affect my thinking one way or the other, so I could post my instinctive reaction to what was written. It may not be so easy with your post.
If your from STL you should check out Missouri 8 ball. 3 times a year if you win your division or the playoffs for the division wild card you get to play in a team tournament for $7000 and never leave town, just go to St Charles Mo. No obligation to play in the next session, once you qualify you are in, no hostage taking tactics.
From what I can tell if you like the APA you should play on the East side in Bruce Pattons 3 counties.
I no longer live in St Louis but thanks, I'm in Columbia MO now. I joined an APA league for the first time but my rating got too high and they can't use me now. I'd rather not play at all than dump matches just to keep my rating down, that seems like a complete waste of time.
DolphinNoSharks
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Playoff Rules & LO
As far as I know, when it comes to the playoffs.
If you have 8 or less teams in your league, the 1st place team must participate in the playoffs. In our league, the 1st place team qualifies for cities & money cup but must play in the playoffs. 1st place - 3rd place qualify for the playoffs plus a Wild Card team.
With 9 teams or more, the 1st place team is exempt from the playoffs and the 2nd place - 4th place qualify plus a Wild Card team.
As far as LOs, our LO is a little slow at updating our website in the first few weeks of the session but after that it's pretty smooth. That's about the only complaint I have with ours. There's a lot of leagues that don't even have stats online so it's really hard to complain. He's been really good to deal with and SLs seem to be in line with player's talent.
As far as SL increases near the end of the session, could that be from a lazy LO that doesn't do the computer input in a timely fashion?
I have run into a scenario with a North Florida LO who is TERRIBLE. It seems when friends and family enter the equation, the LO seems to lose their mind.
Also, a good league Rep that communicates well with the LO really helps too.
As far as I know, when it comes to the playoffs.
If you have 8 or less teams in your league, the 1st place team must participate in the playoffs. In our league, the 1st place team qualifies for cities & money cup but must play in the playoffs. 1st place - 3rd place qualify for the playoffs plus a Wild Card team.
With 9 teams or more, the 1st place team is exempt from the playoffs and the 2nd place - 4th place qualify plus a Wild Card team.
As far as LOs, our LO is a little slow at updating our website in the first few weeks of the session but after that it's pretty smooth. That's about the only complaint I have with ours. There's a lot of leagues that don't even have stats online so it's really hard to complain. He's been really good to deal with and SLs seem to be in line with player's talent.
As far as SL increases near the end of the session, could that be from a lazy LO that doesn't do the computer input in a timely fashion?
I have run into a scenario with a North Florida LO who is TERRIBLE. It seems when friends and family enter the equation, the LO seems to lose their mind.
Also, a good league Rep that communicates well with the LO really helps too.
I guess I'm really confused as to how they "can't use me now".
In our 8-ball league (max SL is 7) out of 13 teams I believe at least 7 have one SL7, and almost every team has at least one SL6 and many have two, including the teams that have the SL7's. No, every one doesn't get to play every week, but they generally take turns and at the end of the session everyone that wants to play has played at least 8 weeks, usually more. (There are a few of the better players who don't want to play every week, just enough to qualify for the playoffs, and that's cool, too. Their choice.)
Yes, if you want to play every week, then APA isn't gonna be for you. though with 8-man teams, you probably knew that going into it, right?
How can they "not use you"? Why would you have to "dump" in order to be used? Yes, the 23-rule creates some mathematical challenges occasionally, but we work it out, as does everyone else. The math is simple enough that even I can figure it out. (Mathematically challenged at times
)As long as you have at least one SL2 or SL3, you can play an SL7 in your match. I pretty much count on my SL7 to win most of the times he plays, though that's not a given either. We WANT an SL7 on our team, I don't understand why anyone wouldn't...
I know that leagues aren't for everyone, and this is true of APA in particular. I just try to understand peoples issues with this stuff, because they are quite foreign to me, given my experience in our league.
In our league, the first place team is automatically qualified to play in the local team championship tournament. This seems to go against what is in the rulebook, and must be something adopted in the local bylaws.
From the APA Official Team Manual at: http://www.poolplayers.com/tmanual.pdf
31. SESSIONPLAYOFFS
At the end of each session there is a playoff in each division among the top
finishing teams. The team that wins the Playoffs wins the trophies and the
division title for that session, and gains eligibility into the Local Level of the
Team Championships. A team does not win the division title and eligibility
by winning the most points during the session. Those points only gain you a
slot in the Playoffs. The Playoffs will normally take place during the break
between sessions, and full weekly fees will be collected.
In each division, the top three finishing teams plus a wild card team will be
in the Session Playoffs. During the semifinals, the first place team plays the
wild card team and the second place team plays the third place team. In the
finals, the two semifinal winners play each other to decide who the division
champion will be.
I for get the specifics but i believe the fall session you have to play in playoffs and the summer session 1st place doesn't.... something like that, again kinda screwy, I would suggest not moving to Chester Co PA and playing in the APA you wont be happy:grin-square:
play8ball
Game On!
Correction: The SC Upstate BCA pool league is sanctioned, but that division was not because there was not enough time for them to qualify for the Vegas Tournament. And, it started falling apart almost from the second week, because, the players in question are well known for their antics around that area. We have a deal in place to take care of the problems, however, so the slanderous statements can stop. Its funny how one group of players can ruin a league.
Funny how nobody but you knew that. I sure wasn't told that when I signed up and neither was anyone else. I know the leading team sure thought they were going to some sort of playoffs.
How would you know anything about the area? You came down for what, opening day? Even if you knew that the players from this area were "well known for their antics", wouldn't that have demanded a greater presence from the league operator? But you weren't worried about that, were you, you just wanted the extra cash and wasn't the least bit concerned about how the division was actually run.
If this deal has you remaining as the league operator, I for one will not be a a part of it. And as far as these statements are concerned, something has to be inaccurate for it to be slander, so that doesn't apply here.
It's funny how league operators always try to cover their ass by blaming it on the players. Keep it up and you won't have any players left to blame.
play8ball
Game On!
@XxMerlinxX
I'm not sure where the mix up came, but there obviously was one. And what "extra" cash are you talking about? There was actually money lost on that league, and, frankly, I'm appalled at your accusations.
Just to be clear: That league was an in-house league at Slate, nothing more. I suppose I could have driven there every week, and spent the gas coming down there, but to what avail? You guys would have griped no matter what. I've learned that you can't make everyone happy.
I certainly will not be doing anything in that area. That area needs a full time baby sitter. And for the record, no amount of "extra" money would even remotely make the headaches worthwhile.
I'm not sure where the mix up came, but there obviously was one. And what "extra" cash are you talking about? There was actually money lost on that league, and, frankly, I'm appalled at your accusations.
Just to be clear: That league was an in-house league at Slate, nothing more. I suppose I could have driven there every week, and spent the gas coming down there, but to what avail? You guys would have griped no matter what. I've learned that you can't make everyone happy.
I certainly will not be doing anything in that area. That area needs a full time baby sitter. And for the record, no amount of "extra" money would even remotely make the headaches worthwhile.