OMGWTF Blog is up

"After a few hours of sleep, it was back to the tournament. I played an excellent (and very pleasant) player from Michigan. I was getting destroyed in this match 6-1 in a race to 7 when an interesting situation came up while I was shooting on the eight-ball.

"This diagram is NOT DRAWN TO SCALE (otherwise, those would be ridiculously tight pockets, wouldn’t they?)."

Hey, if you're playing at House of Billiards it is, and they are.
 
Funnier than shit, as usual! One more bad ref story to add to the list. They either need better training or a whole different crew. Say what you want, but I hear way too many stories like this.
 
sunnyday said:
Once again, she brings us great reading materials and gives us the GOOD, BAD AND HOTTIES??? (Sorry, this time, it's for the ladies) of the pool. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

Oh, the link : http://massiveunderstatement.com/?p=2155#more-2155

*ps. please vote :thumbup:

S.[]

(Sorry, this time, it's for the ladies)

That's not fair. They ladies have thier own blogs. What's next...women in the US Open?:eek:. Johnnyt
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jay helfert said:
Funnier than shit, as usual! One more bad ref story to add to the list. They either need better training or a whole different crew. Say what you want, but I hear way too many stories like this.
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Not to say it's OK and CSI is aware of the recent referee grumbles and will investigate to improve upcoming events.

However during the course of 34th Annual BCAPL National 8 Ball Championship, among 45 trained referees 20,000 plus rep calls were made. In this case, only mistakes are noticed and it's the players who suffer the consequence.

Now that we're on the subject of bad ref errors, what do you think about the bad call made on that baseball game who ruined the "perfect pitching record""? And to think professional refs get 6 figure pay checks?

The moral of the story? Human errors are made, we can only strive not to repeat it;)

S.
 
sunnyday said:
Not to say it's OK and CSI is aware of the recent referee grumbles and will investigate to improve upcoming events.

However during the course of 34th Annual BCAPL National 8 Ball Championship, among 45 trained referees 20,000 plus rep calls were made. In this case, only mistakes are noticed and it's the players who suffer the consequence.

Now that we're on the subject of bad ref errors, what do you think about the bad call made on that baseball game who ruined the "perfect pitching record""? And to think professional refs get 6 figure pay checks?

The moral of the story? Human errors are made, we can only strive not to repeat it;)

S.
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I thought the moral of the story was that we shouldn't watch baseball.

:D

~rc
 
Two Things-

If OMGWTF opponent had any class, she wouldn't have taken the ball in hand and placed the cue ball back in its' original spot and shot from there.

The bad referreeing is one thing. The bad attitude they have is another. That is shown by OMGWTF description of what occurred. Read the BCAPL forum for more bad attitude examples as well.

Okay three things - thanks for the enjoyable read. I saw OMGWTF a few time while in Vega$ but didn't get a chance to talk to her. If so, I would have gotten a bad nickname as well. :) I was also amazed how she played pool in those shoes.
 
jay helfert said:
Funnier than shit, as usual! One more bad ref story to add to the list. They either need better training or a whole different crew. Say what you want, but I hear way too many stories like this.
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Hey Jay 'White Glove' Helfert,
Training can help only to a small extent.Many of these conflicts are due to distorted perceptions and f...d up logic of individuals and poorly written rules by the people who can`t construct a good sentence in English language. For whatever reason the number of brain damaged people is increasing in our society.:cool:
 
Mistake

I just had my breakfast and I have a strong stomach and love to eat Hot Tamales around midnight but in the tournament match by OMGWTF, the referee's ruling almost turned my stomach and I wasn't even there.

When a referee makes an incorrect call, it is not the end of the end. You have the right to appeal to the tournament director in any tournament. This doesn't mean that you will get a reversal on the referee's ruling but it is something that I would do ESPECIALLY if both players agree that the ref's ruling was wrong. At the very least, you might improve the referee's knowledge base.

OMGWTFHCYMAMLT?

Howver, in venting, I would have passed on damning the referees physical attributions, age, ethnic background etc. and just concentrated on his ignorance and stupidity, if that was the case. OK, to be honest, if it were my ox getting gored, I would have let no physical appearance left untold, including those wrinkles in his old worn-out face. :D
 
sunnyday said:
Not to say it's OK and CSI is aware of the recent referee grumbles and will investigate to improve upcoming events.

However during the course of 34th Annual BCAPL National 8 Ball Championship, among 45 trained referees 20,000 plus rep calls were made. In this case, only mistakes are noticed and it's the players who suffer the consequence.

Now that we're on the subject of bad ref errors, what do you think about the bad call made on that baseball game who ruined the "perfect pitching record""? And to think professional refs get 6 figure pay checks?

The moral of the story? Human errors are made, we can only strive not to repeat it;)

S.
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I agree Sunny. There are human errors, but some are worse than others. It is one thing to miss a call on a close hit. It is another to totally not understand the game of pool and how it is played. For some of the mistakes I am hearing about, there is no excuse except incompetence.

I think in the case of the umpire who ruined the perfect game, the commissioner of baseball should over rule this call. It would create a lot of good will for baseball, which could use it at this time.

Good judgement should be a mandatory part of every referee's training. With some common sense thrown in for good measure. I don't know if these things can be taught, but EVERY referee should be quizzed to see if they are competent or not. If you put 45 people in a room and there is an instructor talking to them, some will pay attention and others will not. You MUST test these people after their training to see if they've learned anything.

I personally witnessed a referee watch a player jack up and shoot directly through the object ball, with the cue ball following right behind, and call that a good hit. I could hear the sound of double contact from where I stood. The opponent protested, but the ref shrugged his shoulders and walked away. I don't think he wanted to call a foul, because he was uncertain about what had happened.

Better to have no referees and allow the players to referee their own matches like they do in league, than have people who change the outcome of a match with their mistakes.

I will offer to administer the tests to each and every referee to see if they are competent to do the job. What you have now are some good referees, some okay referees and some not so good referees. There is no way this should be acceptable for a major pool championship.
 
When the last "bad refereeing" thread came up a week or so ago, I went and looked at Dr.Daves stuff on YouTube, with a video quiz on good hits versus fouls. It was pretty good, from my limited perspective. I would think that sort of thing could be used before any tournament, at least as a base line, and/or a refresher. Since Jay can't be everywhere! :D

Seriously, I don't know why anyone would be against it, especially before any big tournament. It could only help. Even if they don't actually "test" the ref's, but go through the videos in a meeting setting before the tournament starts. Or have Jay (or someone else qualified) put them through their paces. As Jim Joyce illustrated this week, the refs don't want to be a factor in the contest, though sometimes they must be.
 
justadub said:
When the last "bad refereeing" thread came up a week or so ago, I went and looked at Dr.Daves stuff on YouTube, with a video quiz on good hits versus fouls. It was pretty good, from my limited perspective. I would think that sort of thing could be used before any tournament, at least as a base line, and/or a refresher. Since Jay can't be everywhere! :D

Seriously, I don't know why anyone would be against it, especially before any big tournament. It could only help. Even if they don't actually "test" the ref's, but go through the videos in a meeting setting before the tournament starts. Or have Jay (or someone else qualified) put them through their paces. As Jim Joyce illustrated this week, the refs don't want to be a factor in the contest, though sometimes they must be.
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Great idea. Where's the link?
 
LAMas said:
Great idea. Where's the link?
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I can't go to YouTube on my work computer (blocking software, no email, streaming sites, ebay, Paypal, etc) so I can't give you an exact link. I seem to recall entering "Dr. Dave pool" in the search bar and it was there in the results.

Of course I'm sure it's on his page, as well.
 
Great read. I had a good time hanging with OMGWTF, can't wait to do it again. Hopefully to see her soon in NYC for OMG/BORANA round 2.
 
jay helfert said:
I will offer to administer the tests to each and every referee to see if they are competent to do the job. What you have now are some good referees, some okay referees and some not so good referees. There is no way this should be acceptable for a major pool championship.
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Jay,

Thanks for the offer, but I'm sure Bill Stock who is the Referee Program Director for CSI is already banging his head trying to come up with a solution or improvements. i.e. Referee should be able to rationalize or explain their calls and not have a 'power trip'.

What's really hard is as you would agree that COMMON SENSE isn't always obvious. And, there aren't too many people jumping up and down wanting to be a ref - most of people who know the game would much rather be playin:rolleyes: thus selection is very small.

With that being said, CSI strives to be better year after year and it's not one of those companies who sweep their flaws under the rug. They operate day in and day out with a goal to improve the quality of pool for everyone. However in the scheme of big picture, it's not easy to pull off the 'World's Largest Pool Tournament' without some 'not so proud' moments.

I know it's a human nature to only focus on negativities and it's been noted.

S.
 
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