I agree with Johnners - players not likely to win anything (e.g. me) shouldn't have to pay much at all to enter.
mid missouri 9ball tour
- Thread starter troy kirkendoll
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I do not know how well this will work as D-players will be totally donating. Not that I am complaining, I am a D-player and play in non-handicapped tournaments because I like pool.
Another possible system (and I am speaking in general, not necessarily to you) would be to have each classification play one another and then seed the top two players of each class. This way each class will have at least two players in the final 8. This system would work great if you had a lot of C and D players to fund the system.
around this area we have plenty of a and b players , but im after more c and d players. it seems that the tourneys we have around here, the same 3 or 4 players are in the money. this (imo) is stopping many of the c, d, and even some b players from playing. and not to toot my own horn but i have won my share of them and still believe we need to even the playing field for all. i have a handicap system that i think im goin to use, and im goin to post it on here a little later on to get some feedback
I had heard of a local tournament that included in parts of it's rules that if a player won a tournament, they couldn't enter the tournaments the rest of the month - to help spread the money and keep the field open.
This is probably only applicable to a single pool-hall, maybe not so much for a tour though.
This is probably only applicable to a single pool-hall, maybe not so much for a tour though.
yea that wouldnt work with this tour. it will be a points tour
I can of like the luck/crap in factor of 10 ball
There are NO call shots in 9 ball, 10 ball is suppose to be harder because of the extra ball. There have been many big tournaments were some players are not happy with a specific all ins.
Screw the handicap. I prefer to play better players and get my brains bashed in and have a chance to improve my game.
Check out ABC Billiards in O Fallon, that is not too far from STL.
There are NO call shots in 9 ball, 10 ball is suppose to be harder because of the extra ball. There have been many big tournaments were some players are not happy with a specific all ins.
Screw the handicap. I prefer to play better players and get my brains bashed in and have a chance to improve my game.
Check out ABC Billiards in O Fallon, that is not too far from STL.
hey johnny, have you ever been yo any of the millersburg tournaments
I'd recommend AGAINST a rating system that requires one person win more games than another, and go with a staggered entry fee system instead.
Example:
Joe is rated a 9.
John is rated a 6.
Instead of them both paying $50 entry and John has to win 6 games before Joe wins 9.
Make the sets a race to 7 or 9 and Joe pays the full $50 entry, while John only pays $35 or something like that. You're more likely to get all levels of players involved if the entry is more reasonable for lower speed players.
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all matches would be a straight race to 7 or 9 or whatever. any thoughts?
Handicap 9 ball
Handicaps only work for a local tournament. They never work when the tournament pulls in out-of-town players, too many unknowns.
Player A is from 100 miles away. Someone knew him to be a 6. He hasn't been there for about 2 years. In the meantime, he has graduated to an 8.
He gets rated a 6 in the tournament, and ends up stealing it. This happens all the time.
Player B is from 300 miles away. 3 or 4 guys have heard his name mentioned from money games and a tournament or two he has won. He is really a 10, but gets rated a 12. This isn't fair either.
I could give other examples, but won't at this time.
Lower level players improve much faster than higher level players. Many of the higher level players have already peaked on their handicap. Lower levels will come in a tournament and will play a good 2 levels above, i.e., a 4 that plays like a 6.
Plus, if someone at the tournament has to evaluate what level they are at, many times the person doing the evaluating isn't really qualified to rate someone (not enough knowledge, not enough experience), or the person being evaluated downplays their game to get rated lower than what they are.
I am in the camp to make entry fees structured and have a straight race with no handicaps.
Would you have added money? If so, how much? It depends on what the tournament is paying as to whether I would travel a state over for a tournament.
Handicaps only work for a local tournament. They never work when the tournament pulls in out-of-town players, too many unknowns.
Player A is from 100 miles away. Someone knew him to be a 6. He hasn't been there for about 2 years. In the meantime, he has graduated to an 8.
He gets rated a 6 in the tournament, and ends up stealing it. This happens all the time.
Player B is from 300 miles away. 3 or 4 guys have heard his name mentioned from money games and a tournament or two he has won. He is really a 10, but gets rated a 12. This isn't fair either.
I could give other examples, but won't at this time.
Lower level players improve much faster than higher level players. Many of the higher level players have already peaked on their handicap. Lower levels will come in a tournament and will play a good 2 levels above, i.e., a 4 that plays like a 6.
Plus, if someone at the tournament has to evaluate what level they are at, many times the person doing the evaluating isn't really qualified to rate someone (not enough knowledge, not enough experience), or the person being evaluated downplays their game to get rated lower than what they are.
I am in the camp to make entry fees structured and have a straight race with no handicaps.
Would you have added money? If so, how much? It depends on what the tournament is paying as to whether I would travel a state over for a tournament.
i think if u did a str8 race to 7 10 ball, and make entry fee different for each lvl of play, u would have a very good tour starting up. would be nice to see this tour on 9 footers also, tired of all the bar box tournys. good luck with this troy.
Kenny Turner
Kenny Turner
this would be on both 7 and 9 fts, depending on the week. money will be added but not sure on amounts yet
Was at the MO state 10-ball Barbox tourney a few months back. The turnout was quite high - 60 or more players I believe. Matches were a race to 6. The 10-ball only counted off the break if it went into a pocket other than the 2 corner pockets near the rack. 10-ball was called, no other balls. Push-outs allowed.
This format worked very well - it was great fun, and it was fast enough that the lion's share of the tourney was played out in one evening (6-7 hrs of play). I got my money's worth, playing 50+ racks against players much better than me. I learnt quite a lot.
The tourney was, however, open, so the weakest players paid the same to enter as the best ones. From that point of view, unless you're comfortable knowing you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of recouping your $80 entry fee, I'd agree with the other guys and support a staggered entry-fee system. Failing that, a handicap system.
Either way, accommodations must be made for weaker players in order to attract these to the tour.
An alternative, and my preferred format, though, would be to have an APA-style tier system: A players one tier, B players another, C & D players a third tier. This way you can charge all players the same entry fee, and all players have some chance of getting among the prizes
This format worked very well - it was great fun, and it was fast enough that the lion's share of the tourney was played out in one evening (6-7 hrs of play). I got my money's worth, playing 50+ racks against players much better than me. I learnt quite a lot.
The tourney was, however, open, so the weakest players paid the same to enter as the best ones. From that point of view, unless you're comfortable knowing you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of recouping your $80 entry fee, I'd agree with the other guys and support a staggered entry-fee system. Failing that, a handicap system.
Either way, accommodations must be made for weaker players in order to attract these to the tour.
An alternative, and my preferred format, though, would be to have an APA-style tier system: A players one tier, B players another, C & D players a third tier. This way you can charge all players the same entry fee, and all players have some chance of getting among the prizes
Was at the MO state 10-ball Barbox tourney a few months back. The turnout was quite high - 60 or more players I believe. Matches were a race to 6. The 10-ball only counted off the break if it went into a pocket other than the 2 corner pockets near the rack. 10-ball was called, no other balls. Push-outs allowed.
This format worked very well - it was great fun, and it was fast enough that the lion's share of the tourney was played out in one evening (6-7 hrs of play). I got my money's worth, playing 50+ racks against players much better than me. I learnt quite a lot.
The tourney was, however, open, so the weakest players paid the same to enter as the best ones. From that point of view, unless you're comfortable knowing you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of recouping your $80 entry fee, I'd agree with the other guys and support a staggered entry-fee system. Failing that, a handicap system.
Either way, accommodations must be made for weaker players in order to attract these to the tour.
An alternative, and my preferred format, though, would be to have an APA-style tier system: A players one tier, B players another, C & D players a third tier. This way you can charge all players the same entry fee, and all players have some chance of getting among the prizes
i playrd in that tourney as well , and it did go over well. i am probably at least a month or 2 out before any schedules are made. im going to take all these ideas into consideration before a final format is set in stone. thanks for all info and keep em coming
bump to new ideas
Troy, one thing that occurred to me is that a lot of the complaining in these types of tournaments has to do with handicap adjustments. You hear a lot of "Why did I get raised?", or "Why hasn't that guy been raised?", or "Why haven't I been lowered?".
It may be easier said than done, but I think it would be nice if we could come up with some hard rules for how, why, and when handicaps will be raised/lowered. If a 7 wins three events in a row, it's pretty clear he's going to an 8, but most of the cases aren't so clear cut, and it would be nice to be able to answer those types of "why me" questions by pointing at a clear set of rules that define how performance affects handicap.
Aaron
It may be easier said than done, but I think it would be nice if we could come up with some hard rules for how, why, and when handicaps will be raised/lowered. If a 7 wins three events in a row, it's pretty clear he's going to an 8, but most of the cases aren't so clear cut, and it would be nice to be able to answer those types of "why me" questions by pointing at a clear set of rules that define how performance affects handicap.
Aaron
I'm going to have to guess No - since i've only played in three - one at Ride the Rail, one at Cue and Cushion, and most recently one down in Cape Giradeau.