whats the best non simonis cloth on the market

[JB Cases]

Not the case with pool. Diamond provides the most support for pool tournaments there is today with pool tables.
Glen

Doesn't Diamond get paid for providing table to events? I am a bit confused as to what you mean by "support". Do you mean logistic support as in they have the most tables underway and available for tournaments at any given time? Or do you mean sponsorship support as in they will donate the use of the tables to a promoter in return for advertising?

It could be taken either way in the context of this discussion.

 

[realkingcobra]

Doesn't Diamond get paid for providing table to events? I am a bit confused as to what you mean by "support". Do you mean logistic support as in they have the most tables underway and available for tournaments at any given time? Or do you mean sponsorship support as in they will donate the use of the tables to a promoter in return for advertising?

It could be taken either way in the context of this discussion.

Last time I checked...I don't believe anyone was paying Diamond to put on the DCC...or the BCA playoffs.

As far as the BCA trade show, one would think that if you're going to promote your cloth as "better" than Simonis...wouldn't you be bold enough to be at a trade show with ALL the other cloth suppliers?...or do you just promote here on AZ?

 

[Cuetips]

just so the original poster knows his thread hasn't been taken over, I just recently put on Hainsworth Pro Elite on my Gold Crown 3 and it plays lights out, extremely happy with it, and I was a Simonas fan for the past 20 years.

Walter

 

[JB Cases]

Last time I checked...I don't believe anyone was paying Diamond to put on the DCC...or the BCA playoffs.

In those two events Diamond and a Diamond shareholder are promoting the events. So they would not charge themselves. However at the BCAPL event the tables are not free to use for the players, it's 1.00 or $1.25 a game isn't it? So who is getting that money?

At the DCC the tables in the tournament room are free for the players but all the other tables throughout the event cost money. So it's not as if Diamond is exactly "sponsoring" those events by donating the use of the tables. The players are paying for the use of those tables.

As far as the BCA trade show, one would think that if you're going to promote your cloth as "better" than Simonis...wouldn't you be bold enough to be at a trade show with ALL the other cloth suppliers?...or do you just promote here on AZ?

Once again you are out of the loop. The BCA show has ceased to be a venue which provides any value to the exhibitors. But that's not the reason we chose not to attend. The reason we chose not to attend has nothing to do with the superiority of Milliken over Simonis. You are not in the loop on what that reason is and you do not have a need to know. Let's just leave it at saying that you should not confuse non-attendance with weakness. Don't let your naivete lead you to make presumptions.

 

[Mike in MN]

just so the original poster knows his thread hasn't been taken over, I just recently put on Hainsworth Pro Elite on my Gold Crown 3 and it plays lights out, extremely happy with it, and I was a Simonas fan for the past 20 years.

Walter

Yeah, this thread is about 0.00438 seconds from being completely taken over.

To the OP, test out a couple options if you're able to by going to various places near your home. Sometimes there will be a billiards showroom or a warehouse or something with tables set up. Hopefully you can test drive a couple different types, and then just buy whatever suits you best.

 

[JB Cases]

just so the original poster knows his thread hasn't been taken over, I just recently put on Hainsworth Pro Elite on my Gold Crown 3 and it plays lights out, extremely happy with it, and I was a Simonas fan for the past 20 years.

Walter

Walter,

I am quoting you to also add my opinion that Hainsworth, Granito, Miliken, and Championship are all fine alternatives to Simonis.

Just because a company splashes their name everywhere doesn't mean that their product is the only choice.

 

[Marie's husband]

Yeah, this thread is about 0.00438 seconds from being completely taken over.

To the OP, test out a couple options if you're able to by going to various places near your home. Sometimes there will be a billiards showroom or a warehouse or something with tables set up. Hopefully you can test drive a couple different types, and then just buy whatever suits you best.

You are right that this is pretty close to being taken over, but it has helped me out. I have never heard of Hainsworth or Miliken cloth before and now i am wondering how each of these do compare to simonis playing quality and price?

 

[JB Cases]

You are right that this is pretty close to being taken over, but it has helped me out. I have never heard of Hainsworth or Milliken cloth before and now i am wondering how each of these do compare to simonis playing quality and price?

Milliken is less expensive, lasts longer and plays perfect from day one.

Listen to what professional player Jeremy Jones had to say about it when interviewed after his win on Milliken Super Pro at the GenerationPool.com BCA Pro event in 2008.

http://www.runoutradio.com/episode25.html

Jeremy is not sponsored by Milliken. He was asked how he felt about the cloth well after the event was over.

 

[realkingcobra]

You are right that this is pretty close to being taken over, but it has helped me out. I have never heard of Hainsworth or Miliken cloth before and now i am wondering how each of these do compare to simonis playing quality and price?

I'll take the carpet off your front room floor and install it on your Diamond table so tight the stains in the carpet will fall out and it crys out loud..."IT HURTS"....before I install Miliken Super Pro Cloth on your table:rotflmao1:...
naaa...j/k....the Hainsworth and Miliken are good cloths...I just have a probem when some people say "better" than...when all they do is sell it. If they don't install it...or take it off...then all that comes out of their mouth is sales. But either of these are cloths I'd install if someone wanted me to

Glen

 

[pocketpared]

Put up a link...

Milliken is less expensive, lasts longer and plays perfect from day one.

Listen to what professional player Jeremy Jones had to say about it when interviewed after his win on Milliken Super Pro at the GenerationPool.com BCA Pro event in 2008.

http://www.runoutradio.com/episode25.html

Jeremy is not sponsored by Milliken. He was asked how he felt about the cloth well after the event was over.

Put up a link with his comments after he loses a tournament on the cloth.

 

[softshot]

if you are going to be playing large amateur tourneys..

Mercury Ultra by Championship is used in the vast majority of the big ones

it also wears like iron.. I bought it I like it.. and when playing on Simonis I don't notice a huge difference

my $.02

 

[randyg]

I don't think there is such a cloth. Simonis is the King....SPF=randyg

 

[TXsouthpaw]

not being pushy and im sure other cloths are good.

simonis supports pro and amateur pool better then anyone.

if u cant make up your mind please support simonis.

im not paid to say good things about them [i wish i was lol] but they do alot for pool and i would love to see loyalty towards them if possible.


believe me if simonis quit sponsoring pro and amateur pool it would hurt us alot. just something to think about.

I see what ur saying john but i gotta draw the line somewhere. Should I also shoot with a cuetec and use a sardo rack and how bout those elephant balls hopkins was using for a while? Bottom line is amature poolplayers are just as broke as yall pros so I gotta save where I can. Besides simonis is mostly used for pro tourneys all the regionals and little weekly tourneys use cheaper stuff, so it would behove me to get used to everything.

And I shouldve known how RKC would vote. Sometimes its useless to ask anything on this board because everyones got there mind made up already. Excuse me for not following the crownd blindly and for having a mind of my own. And for the record it comes across as disingenous when people shill for their sponsors or employers. It actually makes me wanna buy the competitors stuff.

 

[carter1984]

Milliken Sponsorship

First, let it be known that a few posters had it right when they said

1 - Sometimes there are "exclusive" deals that prevent other companies from sponsoring events and tours (doesn't mean others aren't trying), and

2 - There is a lot that goes on behind closed doors that the general public isn't aware of that does affect sponsorship and cloth choices

With that being said, I can answer some questions about Milliken Super Pro. It has shown to play more consistent over time than other brands. Most cloth with a high nylon content will show wear, some more than others depending on their weight, however the true test of performance is consistency. When someone can go from table to table and know the speed will be the same, that player can have more confidence in his shot-making ability. When a pro or top level amateur shows up and an event and knows that the speed of the cloth will be the same on day 1 as day 5, and the cloth doesn't skid or allows balls to slip and slide, they are better able to produce a championship performance. This is why Milliken Super Pro is quickly becoming a preferred cloth in Europe, Asia, Australia, and the Middle East. America is behind the curve on their ability to judge a new cloth without bias.

When it comes to sponsorship, I guess many folks here are unaware that Milliken has been a sponsor of regional tours such as the Tri-State tour, Blaze tour, BAAT, as well as independent events such as the Generation Pool Championships, the Canadian Championships, and well as numerous other smaller independent events.

The real testament, in my opinion, are the rooms that have put Milliken Super Pro on, and continue to do so, even when given the option of recovering with less expensive brands. Also, the table mechanics across the country who have come to recommend Milliken to their customers, based on their experiences with the cloth.

I sell Milliken, and when I see a thread like this, I feel compelled to let folks know more about the cloth so that they can be informed. Pardon the "schilling" for a brand I sell, however I feel if I don't let folks know some of this information, they may not hear it otherwise.

 

[realkingcobra]

First, let it be known that a few posters had it right when they said

1 - Sometimes there are "exclusive" deals that prevent other companies from sponsoring events and tours (doesn't mean others aren't trying), and

2 - There is a lot that goes on behind closed doors that the general public isn't aware of that does affect sponsorship and cloth choices

With that being said, I can answer some questions about Milliken Super Pro. It has shown to play more consistent over time than other brands. Most cloth with a high nylon content will show wear, some more than others depending on their weight, however the true test of performance is consistency. When someone can go from table to table and know the speed will be the same, that player can have more confidence in his shot-making ability. When a pro or top level amateur shows up and an event and knows that the speed of the cloth will be the same on day 1 as day 5, and the cloth doesn't skid or allows balls to slip and slide, they are better able to produce a championship performance. This is why Milliken Super Pro is quickly becoming a preferred cloth in Europe, Asia, Australia, and the Middle East. America is behind the curve on their ability to judge a new cloth without bias.

When it comes to sponsorship, I guess many folks here are unaware that Milliken has been a sponsor of regional tours such as the Tri-State tour, Blaze tour, BAAT, as well as independent events such as the Generation Pool Championships, the Canadian Championships, and well as numerous other smaller independent events.

The real testament, in my opinion, are the rooms that have put Milliken Super Pro on, and continue to do so, even when given the option of recovering with less expensive brands. Also, the table mechanics across the country who have come to recommend Milliken to their customers, based on their experiences with the cloth.

I sell Milliken, and when I see a thread like this, I feel compelled to let folks know more about the cloth so that they can be informed. Pardon the "schilling" for a brand I sell, however I feel if I don't let folks know some of this information, they may not hear it otherwise.

Now that's a good post as it don't come off better than, longer than...or anything else. All it says is try it, then see if you like it, and if you do, buy some again...I like that...even gave you some reps for that

Glen

 

[grindz]

I went from Simonis 760 to Tour Edition.... but haven't had the benefit of a good install on the tour edition... so I can't fairly judge.... but if I had to choose... I'd probably give Simonis the edge on playability. If I had a REAL professional install I'd be happy with whatever I had though!!!!

td

 

[D-Rock]

I like championship cloth myself

just cause the pro's say simonis is the best does not make it true. They "have" to say stuff like that because of the sponership deals. Do you really think Earl Strickland really thought that his cutec cues were the best out there? Don't believe everything you hear, especially when sponserships are behind what people say.

 

[oneshotwiss]

I went from Simonis 760 to Tour Edition.... but haven't had the benefit of a good install on the tour edition... so I can't fairly judge.... but if I had to choose... I'd probably give Simonis the edge on playability. If I had a REAL professional install I'd be happy with whatever I had though!!!!

td

Yeah, if only we could find someone who knew what they were doing and could install the cloth!!

 

[real bartram]

I like championship cloth myself

just cause the pro's say simonis is the best does not make it true. They "have" to say stuff like that because of the sponership deals. Do you really think Earl Strickland really thought that his cutec cues were the best out there? Don't believe everything you hear, especially when sponserships are behind what people say.

i dont have to say its the best for any reason.

but it is.
if i go to a tourney i pay for all my way.

 

[realkingcobra]

I like championship cloth myself

just cause the pro's say simonis is the best does not make it true. They "have" to say stuff like that because of the sponership deals. Do you really think Earl Strickland really thought that his cutec cues were the best out there? Don't believe everything you hear, especially when sponserships are behind what people say.

Name one cloth manufacture that pays a "Pro" player...or ANY player for that matter to say they play on their cloth...you won't find one...because it don't happen...sorry! I've been in this business for the last 27 years...and I'm very close with Diamond and Simonis...I know what I'm talking about

Brunswick on the other hand has paid players to go around saying they play on "Brunswick" tables and that has go on for years...but as far as another table manufacture....not a chance...not with pocket pool tables

Glen