Why CTE is silly

[GetMeThere]

Instead of saying, "based on what I do know, the system cannot work", you simply jump straight to "it cannot work".

I think you've been missing class, JB. That's why you're behind.

1) It's easy to make a STRONG inference that CTE methodology DOESN'T involve generating lines from the OB to the pocket, or angles describing the path of the OB to the pocket.

2) Without such lines or angles (or, stretching, something that RELATES to them, like table dots), there is no aiming at pockets.

3) Without aiming there is no aiming system.

4) CTE is not an aiming system. Whatever it IS might be wonderful--but whatever that is, it's just not an AIMING system.

That's the latest classwork. It's not difficult to remember.

 

[JB Cases]

Stan,

I will commit to TEN copies of your DVD. And if we can work it out on pricing I will commit to getting in the Sterling catalog for exposure to MILLIONS of people.

Don't let ANYONE stop you from doing this as it's the very best thing that can happen to honor Hal Houle's contribution.

No matter what Hal has changed the lives of everyone he has touched. He has given you and Scott and Randy a new way to look at aiming that you feel strongly enough to teach and make part of the foundation of your courses.

He has given many of us a new love of playing pool because we can now pocket more balls and make tougher shots under pressure.

Your DVD will help to bring this great way to play pool to more people. In every sport or endeavor there is debate as to what the right methods are.

NO MATTER WHAT IT IS.

In golf the debate is eternal as to which method is best to swing, in tennis the same, in auto racing people try all sorts of methods to improve. Most of the time they aren't checking with physicists, geometers, or even molecular biologists before embarking on their quests to improve. They try and if they find something that works they keep at it.

So THANK YOU for taking this step.

 

[JB Cases]

I think you've been missing class, JB. That's why you're behind.

1) It's easy to make a STRONG inference that CTE methodology DOESN'T involve generating lines from the OB to the pocket, or angles describing the path of the OB to the pocket.

Ok, so what? By using CTE the shooter can pocket balls. Wouldn't you like to know how?

2) Without such lines or angles (or, stretching, something that RELATES to them, like table dots), there is no aiming at pockets.

That's right there is no aiming AT pockets. Yet balls go into pockets accurately and consistently using the CTE method. Wouldn't you like to know how?

3) Without aiming there is no aiming system.

Huh? The purpose of "aiming" in pool is to get on the right line to pocket the ball, to have the cue stick AIMED along the proper line to contact the object ball and send it to the pocket. When pocketing the ball is the goal.

So any method that gets you there IS an aiming system.

4) CTE is not an aiming system. Whatever it IS might be wonderful--but whatever that is, it's just not an AIMING system.

You needed another bullet point to say the same thing? Now all you have to fall back on is semantics? By your definition is ANYTHING an aiming "system".

Let me see if I can help you a little.

1. AIM the center of the cueball to the edge of the object ball.

2. AIM the cuestick tip to the edge of the cue ball.

3. Pivot to center and now the cuestick is AIMED at the proper line to make the ball.

1,2,3. Do this the same way for every shot. That's the simplest version. If you want to know more then invent a new identity and make friends with the people who can fill in the gaps for you.

It "ain't" not a system just because you don't know how to do it.



That's the latest classwork. It's not difficult to remember.[/QUOTE]

 

[cookie man]

i think you've been missing class, jb. That's why you're behind.

1) it's easy to make a strong inference that cte methodology doesn't involve generating lines from the ob to the pocket, or angles describing the path of the ob to the pocket.

2) without such lines or angles (or, stretching, something that relates to them, like table dots), there is no aiming at pockets.

3) without aiming there is no aiming system.

4) cte is not an aiming system. Whatever it is might be wonderful--but whatever that is, it's just not an aiming system.

That's the latest classwork. It's not difficult to remember.

fail!!!!!!!

 

[GetMeThere]

Let me see if I can help you a little.

1. AIM the center of the cueball to the edge of the object ball.

2. AIM the cuestick tip to the edge of the cue ball.

3. Pivot to center and now the cuestick is AIMED at the proper line to make the ball.

1,2,3. Do this the same way for every shot.

Well JB....

....see, we live in a universe where doing something CAUSES something else to happen each time. And, funny thing, doing the same thing (under the same conditions) causes the SAME THING to happen.

Imagine the MISERY, CONFUSION, and FRUSTRATION if one day you had to press the GAS pedal to make your car go, and the NEXT day you had to press the brake--or run the window control up and down. And the next day you had to fill your tank with marshmellows instead of gas.

Fortunately, that DOESN'T HAPPEN.

But unfortunately for CTE, if you "Do this the same way for every shot" then the OB will head off at the SAME ANGLE for every shot--which will cause a PROBLEM if the pockets happen to be at DIFFERENT angles from the OB for each shot.

I'm really sorry to have to break all this to you....

 

[champ2107]

What level player are you getme? do you just play in your local league around the corner from your house? do play tournaments? can you a run few racks in a row?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Brain power from the detractors has not figured CTE out yet.

I'm sure the "detractors" have it figured out better than the "defenders", but I'll be sure to review the DVD for those who are neither - because I know you want your buyers to make a fully informed choice and not have to guess what CTE is any more.

pj
chgo

 

[champ2107]

there is going to be a lot of closed minded people eating a lot of words soon lol

 

[GetMeThere]

What level player are you getme? do you just play in your local league around the corner from your house? do play tournaments? can you a run few racks in a row?

This has been discussed already in the thread. Start at page 1, and you'll find it eventually.

 

[JB Cases]

Well JB....

....see, we live in a universe where doing something CAUSES something else to happen each time. And, funny thing, doing the same thing (under the same conditions) causes the SAME THING to happen.

Imagine the MISERY, CONFUSION, and FRUSTRATION if one day you had to press the GAS pedal to make your car go, and the NEXT day you had to press the brake--or run the window control up and down. And the next day you had to fill your tank with marshmellows instead of gas.

Fortunately, that DOESN'T HAPPEN.

But unfortunately for CTE, if you "Do this the same way for every shot" then the OB will head off at the SAME ANGLE for every shot--which will cause a PROBLEM if the pockets happen to be at DIFFERENT angles from the OB for each shot.

I'm really sorry to have to break all this to you....

Yeah, I guess if I didn't have the instructions on how to make a car go then I would have to flail around and might even come to the conclusion that it doesn't work. I'd have to use whatever data I had to play around with it until I figured it out.

Then once I figured out that I could make the car go by pressing the gas pedal but if I didn't know that gasoline was really what powered the car then I would only be able to get as far as the fuel lasted.

This is where you are with CTE - you don't know how to implement it because no one has taught you and no one will provide you with a manual.

So all you can do is imagine what it might be and draw your conclusions from that.

Meanwhile, ANOTHER person has chimed in just above to say that they JUST completed getting a lesson from Stand and CTE/Pro One WORKS and "is all that".

So, the balance of EVIDENCE points to CTE works. That is for those who know what CTE is and how to implement it.

For those who don't, like you, sorry, you're just out of the loop. We all live in the same universe it's true which is why it's sad that personal testimony from good players means nothing to you in the ivory tower you have built around yourself concerning this topic.

 

[JB Cases]

CTE is so easy even a molecular biologist could do it.

 

[GetMeThere]

Yeah, I guess if I didn't have the instructions on how to make a car go then I would have to flail around and might even come to the conclusion that it doesn't work. I'd have to use whatever data I had to play around with it until I figured it out.

Then once I figured out that I could make the car go by pressing the gas pedal but if I didn't know that gasoline was really what powered the car then I would only be able to get as far as the fuel lasted.

This is where you are with CTE - you don't know how to implement it because no one has taught you and no one will provide you with a manual.

So all you can do is imagine what it might be and draw your conclusions from that.

Meanwhile, ANOTHER person has chimed in just above to say that they JUST completed getting a lesson from Stand and CTE/Pro One WORKS and "is all that".

So, the balance of EVIDENCE points to CTE works. That is for those who know what CTE is and how to implement it.

For those who don't, like you, sorry, you're just out of the loop. We all live in the same universe it's true which is why it's sad that personal testimony from good players means nothing to you in the ivory tower you have built around yourself concerning this topic.

This may stun you. You may have to quickly lie down.

But your post really does a fine job all on its own in answering the question "Why is CTE silly?"

 

[champ2107]

This has been discussed already in the thread. Start at page 1, and you'll find it eventually.

i have a feeling u can not run one rack...is it possible u can show a 2 minute video of you shooting some balls?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

George Washington.

My name's Dave Segal and I want everyone to know who I am when I post something. How can anyone take you serious when you're not a man? If you're gonna call someone a professional marketer and imply they're full of sh$t, stand up for yourself and be seen with your comment.

Don't give me that crap with the internet being made for anonymity. Stop being a puss and stand beside what you say...with who you are.

 

[GetMeThere]

My name's Dave Segal and I want everyone to know who I am when I post something. How can anyone take you serious when you're not a man? If you're gonna call someone a professional marketer and imply they're full of sh$t, stand up for yourself and be seen with your comment.

Don't give me that crap with the internet being made for anonymity. Stop being a puss and stand beside what you say...with who you are.

Up yours, Dave. You don't tell me what I have to do. I came to this board like everyone else. There's no requirement to identify oneself to post here. If I were to, for example, enter a tournament sometime, I don't want to have to worry about being pestered in any way by you or your friends. The very fact that you're trying now to bully me into identifying myself suggests that you would likely try to confront me in person if you could.

This isn't about personalities. It's about a reputed aiming system. It doesn't in any way have to involve anything personal--and INVOLVING personal things will in no way address the questions or issues about the supposed aiming system under discussion.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Up yours, Dave. You don't tell me what I have to do. I came to this board like everyone else. There's no requirement to identify oneself to post here. If I were to, for example, enter a tournament sometime, I don't want to have to worry about being pestered in any way by you or your friends. The very fact that you're trying now to bully me into identifying myself suggests that you would likely try to confront me in person if you could.

This isn't about personalities. It's about a reputed aiming system. It doesn't in any way have to involve anything personal--and INVOLVING personal things will in no way address the questions or issues about the supposed aiming system under discussion.

You've made it about personal attacks. Carry on, little boy. If you have to worry about someone confronting you face-to-face on what you say.... maybe you shouldn't be saying it???

 

[GetMeThere]

i have a feeling u can not run one rack...is it possible u can show a 2 minute video of you shooting some balls?

Yes, it doesn't surprise me a bit that you have that feeling. Wouldn't it be BIZARRE if you "had a feeling" that I was the hottest player since Willie Mosconi?

I have a feeling, too: that you're never going to make that video you offered to make. And that you don't and won't have anything of substance to say on the issue of CTE.

 

[JB Cases]

This may stun you. You may have to quickly lie down.

But your post really does a fine job all on its own in answering the question "Why is CTE silly?"

In your opinion.

In mine CTE is silly because it takes the shooter to another level in his or her shotmaking. There are a lot of "this is crazy" moments when learning Hal's systems and a lot of "this can't possibly work" moments.

But, it works and when the student gets Ghost Ball out of their head and applies Hal's methods then a new level opens up.

But hey, if you'd rather not experience the true joy of playing great then keep doing what you're doing.

I'd be willing to BET SUPER LARGE that you have convinced more people to try to find out about CTE and to try to learn it than all the people who teach it combined.

This thread is having the exact opposite effect as what you intended. Keep it going. Because the longer it goes the more people step up to testify that CTE works for them.

Already we have two new people and one of them JUST got done with a lesson from Stan and has nothing but good to say about it.

As opposed to you and the same other three people on the other side.

 

[GetMeThere]

You've made it about personal attacks. Carry on, little boy. If you have to worry about someone confronting you face-to-face on what you say.... maybe you shouldn't be saying it???

No. I think others tried to make it personal, and I only responded in kind.

But OK. Let's UN-MAKE it about "personal attacks." Why not spell out right here right now, or make a video, showing EXACTLY what CTE requires to make the three shots in Dr. Dave's example of three shots with the same distance between CB and OB, but different angles to the pocket?

Then all the baloney and yapping can stop, and CTE can be discussed. Wouldn't it be SIMPLER, EASIER, MORE USEFUL, and in better keeping with the thread AND the forum rules to discuss CTE?

Strangely, I just don't find ANYONE (nor has anyone else) who seems to WANT to discuss CTE--to an extent beyond "IT WORKS!," that is.

 

[GetMeThere]

But, it works....

John. For the last time. "IT WORKS!" isn't enough.

It might be if you were a CLOSE friend of mine, and I knew you REALLY well, and knew from long experience that an opinion you had was DEPENDABLE enough to give something a try without knowing anything about it.

But you're not a close friend of mine. And people who post on forums mostly DON'T know each other. And so the only thing that counts on a forum is the WORDS that are typed--and not reputations or friendships.