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lfigueroa said:
What about an even match up -- what's it worth then?

Lou Figueroa
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I think we've got it pretty well pegged, somewhere between one and two balls. If I played even with a guy and he would give me all the breaks, I would feel comfortable spotting him 10-8 and 9-8 on alternating breaks. Remember he's only spotting me every other break in actuality. I was getting half the breaks before, now I get them all.

Trying to give him 8-7 all the time is probably too much weight to give up. A guy you play even with, will probably escape about half your break shots, unless you have a strong consistent break. Of course breaking all the time, gives you a chance to really groove your break shot.

As you know Lou, there are many factors that go into making a good (and fair) game. A lot of it depends on how you match up with a specific player. I might do better against a "mover," and not so well against guys who run a lot of balls. You might be just the opposite. You have to figure everything in when making a game. All that said, breaking all the time is a huge advantage against a player you would normally play even against. You now become a big favorite to win. In another time and place, you might say you just "trapped" the guy. :wink:
 
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jay helfert said:
I think we've got it pretty well pegged, somewhere between one and two balls. If I played even with a guy and he would give me all the breaks, I would feel comfortable spotting him 10-8 and 9-8 on alternating breaks. Remember he's only spotting me every other break in actuality. I was getting half the breaks before, now I get them all.

Trying to give him 8-7 all the time is probably too much weight to give up. A guy you play even with, will probably escape about half your break shots, unless you have a strong consistent break. Of course breaking all the time, gives you a chance to really groove your break shot.

As you know Lou, there are many factors that go into making a good (and fair) game. A lot of it depends on how you match up with a specific player. I might do better against a "mover," and not so well against guys who run a lot of balls. You might be just the opposite. You have to figure everything in when making a game. All that said, breaking all the time is a huge advantage against a player you would normally play even against. You now become a big favorite to win. In another time and place, you might say you just "trapped" the guy. :wink:
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OK, so were basically back at Grady's 1.5 balls for an even match up, three balls for a strong player playing a weaker one; and one ball for a weaker player playing a stronger.

Pocket size and perhaps general table conditions could be a factor.

So in the case of Dippy playing Corey and getting the break, is the consensus that Corey is giving up a one ball advantage by giving Dippy the breaks?

By the way, one thing I haven't seen mentioned is that, as a match progresses, the break could become a bigger spot because the player getting the break learns from previous breaks and gets more opportunities to get better at aiming, spinning, and speed.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
OK, so were basically back at Grady's 1.5 balls for an even match up, three balls for a strong player playing a weaker one; and one ball for a weaker player playing a stronger.

Pocket size and perhaps general table conditions could be a factor.

So in the case of Dippy playing Corey and getting the break, is the consensus that Corey is giving up a one ball advantage by giving Dippy the breaks?

By the way, one thing I haven't seen mentioned is that, as a match progresses, the break could become a bigger spot because the player getting the break learns from previous breaks and gets more opportunities to get better at aiming, spinning, and speed.

Lou Figueroa
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Who's racking?
 
lfigueroa said:
OK, so were basically back at Grady's 1.5 balls for an even match up, three balls for a strong player playing a weaker one; and one ball for a weaker player playing a stronger.

Pocket size and perhaps general table conditions could be a factor.

So in the case of Dippy playing Corey and getting the break, is the consensus that Corey is giving up a one ball advantage by giving Dippy the breaks?

By the way, one thing I haven't seen mentioned is that, as a match progresses, the break could become a bigger spot because the player getting the break learns from previous breaks and gets more opportunities to get better at aiming, spinning, and speed.

Lou Figueroa
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Dippy breaks remarkably well for the speed that he plays so I would guess the break would be worth at least two balls in his case. I am sure Corey would go to two more balls if he had all of the breaks.

There were a number of breaks that Dippy made that Chris Bartram didn't get out of and lost two or three balls from Dippy's 2nd shot. When you are giving a guy a game where he only had to go to five this was very bad for Chris in these games!
 
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