Shooting the 8 off the rail to carom off the 6.
Same situation, CB out farther toward the center of table.
Same situation, CB out farther toward the center of table.
What's the best way to hit this shot ?
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This kind of shot generally works a lot better when the ball you want to make has some follow on it. The best way to get that follow is to shoot as softly as possible and still be sure of the shot. You don't have much cloth to acquire follow on -- it's easier if you start back farther. Experiment with the shot to see how full you want to hit the six as you come off the cushion. In practice, put a ball temporarily where you want the 8 to land on the 6 to improve your visualization. You also need to know where the ball reflects on the rail (the rail groove, not the nose of the cushion).
putting draw on the cueball puts "follow" or high on the object ball ,correct ? I agree that any kind of high you can transfer to the object ball would help it in the hole.
yes it does, but like Bob said its hard to transfer that spin to the OB with such a short travel distance on the 8 ball.......
theoretically the follow will direct the OB to stay towards the cushion opening your pocket more.......if you hit it just a bit too wide the follow could help the shot to fall either by bending it back toward pocket or coming off the near end of the rail hitting the back inside of the pocket and dropping.....tho these effects are stunted b/c of the short travel distance
just like "holding" your banks, some players use hold on most banks and some use running english.......for the ones holding we find that besides controlling the CB better it makes the pocket bigger.
-Grey Ghost-
I think the important thing is not the actual amount of follow but the follow/speed ratio. In the ticky shot shown (rail, back of the other ball, run along the rail), the best way to improve that ratio is to give the cloth time to put follow on the object ball by shooting it slowly.
Since draw on the cue ball will transfer a little follow to the object ball, and since the actual RPMs will go up with hitting the ball harder, the way to transfer maximum follow to the object ball is to hit it as hard as possible. The problem with this is that the speed goes up at least as fast as the RPMs so the ratio of follow to speed does not increase when you hit the ball harder. In fact, since the object ball has less time to pick up follow from the cloth, the follow/speed ratio is expected to get worse the harder you hit the ball.
If I get a chance later today, I'll try the shot several ways. The 6 is 1.25 ball diameters off the cushion and 3/4 diamond from the pocket as I see it.
Minimal at best. Speed is the answer not draw.....SPF=randyg
John...Good information here. Here's another way that I learned from Nick Varner, to make this shot. Take your cuestick and measure the distance from the 6 to the rail. Measure that same distance back from the edge of the cushion (with your cue), in line with the 6 ball. Wherever that imaginary aim point is, aim the 8B, from where the 8B lies, to the imaginary aim point (in this case on the rail). You'll carom the 8 right in. As Bob and Randy noted, the shotspeed should be slow.
Scott Lee
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Well, I tried it both ways. The way I like -- just hard enough to get to the pocket -- seems to be more forgiving of aiming errors, but both ways work once you have the line to shoot the ball along. Also, at one pocket shooting hard is usually not an option on this shot.
Yes I do.......what would be the point of adding english? It will transfer even less than the follow does in such a short distance......side is useless in regards to making this shot imop.
-Grey Ghost-
It could be argued that you want the object ball to act similarly to the cue ball of a carom player shooting a ticky -- which would be with running english on the object ball -- but I think it's better to hit the spot on the cushion as accurately as possible, which means that using side spin will be counterproductive.
Doesn't the angle into the cushion change which method to use?
Using the gutter as the mirror seems to work well with a angle steeper than 45 degrees, while the nose of the cushion seems to work will with angles less than 30 degrees. Both seem to work well in the range between these two.
The two methods I was referring to were shooting hard and shooting just hard enough to make the ball.
Aiming is a separate issue. If you are trying to plan the path of the center of the banked ball, I think you need to use the real reflecting plane which is the gutter. If you are not considering the center of the banked ball, but instead using its edge or something, then maybe the nose will work.