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DrCue'sProtege

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These are two examples of shots i hosed up last night, the type that just really tick me off.

The first one i was bridged over the rail, and i kept telling myself dont cut this ball too much, it doesnt need as much cut as it seems, i usually overcut the shot. so i hit it too full, right into the rail at Point A. This was another rack i should have ran out.

The second one i thought i needed to put a little right english on the CB to get it to come downtable for better position on the 2-Ball. i hit it a little too hard and stopped at the arrow by Point A, right in front of the 7-Ball that i then had to bridge over. as a result, i missed the jacked-up cut shot on the 2-Ball. All i had to do was make the 1-Ball and naturally roll up to Point B for the shot on the 2-Ball.

Why i do these things, i have no idea! Both times i was certainly expecting to get out, and goofed up the first shot.



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Don't know what to say about diagram 1. That's similar to your post from a few weeks ago. Center-to-center and hip-pivot a 1/2 tip to the right makes the shot (same answer as before).

The bottom diagram should be center draw. No right english is req'd. More spin than speed....pull the CB along the rail. Try to hit the first diamond to the left of the top side pocket.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
The bottom diagram should be center draw. No right english is req'd. More spin than speed....pull the CB along the rail. Try to hit the first diamond to the left of the top side pocket.
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why would you play it along the rail? its a little more difficult to get to the 4-Ball that way. if you are in the middle where i wanted to be its just a little low left or stun and you get over for the 4-Ball.
 
Mike...The main reason you keep screwing up is because you don't trust your stroke. I'm not sure that you ever will, despite being taught what to do to develop that kind of trust. You can try to learn from Randyg, but he's going to show you and tell you the exact same things I did. Then you will not practice things correctly, not be able to perform on demand, and conclude that he doesn't know what he talking about either. This is why I suggested (a few weeks ago) that you just play pool and enjoy it...rather than obsessing over why you can't play better all the time. Best wishes for a happy healthy holiday.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Scott Lee said:
Mike...The main reason you keep screwing up is because you don't trust your stroke. I'm not sure that you ever will, despite being taught what to do to develop that kind of trust. You can try to learn from Randyg, but he's going to show you and tell you the exact same things I did. Then you will not practice things correctly, not be able to perform on demand, and conclude that he doesn't know what he talking about either. This is why I suggested (a few weeks ago) that you just play pool and enjoy it...rather than obsessing over why you can't play better all the time. Best wishes for a happy healthy holiday.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Ya know, i think you have a point there. I keep worrying that i am going to hose it up, that i dont trust myself to be able to do what i need to do. its like i always say, lack of confidence. i've even thought about going to see a hypnotist before.

However, once in a while i sort of get on a roll and things work pretty good. last night i hosed up 7 racks and ran 4. you've seen two shots that caused me not to run out. but one night last week i ran out 5 times and only goofed up a couple.

Mike

p.s. for what its worth, i still practice just about everything i have been taught from Tom Rossman to Diana Minor to Mark Wilson to Scott Lee. i guess things just dont work for me.
 
You're not gonna make every shot, every time. Letting that eat at you is gonna make you miss more often than you would otherwise.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
why would you play it along the rail? its a little more difficult to get to the 4-Ball that way. if you are in the middle where i wanted to be its just a little low left or stun and you get over for the 4-Ball.
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Well, if you shoot the 4 ball I'm taking ball in hand because the 2-ball is where I'm sending you.:confused:
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Well, if you shoot the 4 ball I'm taking ball in hand because the 2-ball is where I'm sending you.:confused:
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I'm going to assume by the confused emoticon that you really don't understand what DCP was saying...

If you play the 2 ball shot the way that you say, it's more difficult to get the "center of the table" position on the 4 that you need to get the correct angle on the 5 ball easily.

I think DCP is right on this one...if you end up having to cut the 4 to your left (or worse, straight in), how hard is it to get on the 5?

I think his "position b" is the optimal spot to land after making the 1. Does that make sense?
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i've even thought about going to see a hypnotist before.
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Don't think about it, do it.

If you're receptive to the idea, know what the issues are, and have a detailed image of what you want the outcome to be, you will be amazed with what a good hypnotherapist can do for you.

It was one of the best investments in my game, and it might be for you also.
 
The first diagram think about what you want to do, not what you usually do. Be positive and exact on making the ball.
The second play it like spidey said, then stun shot on the 2 to middle table. Slight cut on the 4 bringing the QB back to about where the 2 is. Rack em.
 
Mark Avlon said:
Don't think about it, do it.

If you're receptive to the idea, know what the issues are, and have a detailed image of what you want the outcome to be, you will be amazed with what a good hypnotherapist can do for you.

It was one of the best investments in my game, and it might be for you also.
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Tom Rossman told me that about a month after he went to a hypnotist he won the 1982 World Trick Shot championships. i guess there's just something that makes a guy wary, hearing people talk about how it can really screw up your head.

Mike
 
Have you ever read "Pleasures of Small Motions"? You can get it from Amazon for just a few bucks and it is an amazing read. I think it would benefit you greatly.
 
Your reception to instruction is quite amazing. Best of luck in improving your game. :)

Btw, I'm amazed you find that book worthless yet you are contemplating getting HYPNOTIZED to improve your game?
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
Yes, i've read it. what a useless, boring, worthless, waste of time book.
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You have had lessons with one of our best instructors, and yet find the drills he gave you useless. (rolling balls up and down the table was the way I believe you put it)

You've read possibly the best book on the mental aspects of playing pool and find it a worthless waste of time.

I have to wonder why you continue to come back to this forum with your questions. Do you find the answers useless and boring as well?

Do you know how much excellent advice and guidence you have been given, from some of the best instructors in the game? Perhaps you need to consider if you really want to improve. People tell you things, and you seem to want to argue with them when they do.

If you are waiting for the magic wand that will instantly make you a better player, it doesn't exist. You have to take what information is available to you, and you have to put in the work. You seem to want it all, and want it all right now. It just doesn't work that way, my friend.

Improvement will come if you take what you learn and apply it. But it won't come overnight. Pool is not about a destination, it's about the journey. You may want to consider if it is a journey you really want to take.

Steve
 
the420trooper said:
I'm going to assume by the confused emoticon that you really don't understand what DCP was saying...

If you play the 2 ball shot the way that you say, it's more difficult to get the "center of the table" position on the 4 that you need to get the correct angle on the 5 ball easily.

I think DCP is right on this one...if you end up having to cut the 4 to your left (or worse, straight in), how hard is it to get on the 5?

I think his "position b" is the optimal spot to land after making the 1. Does that make sense?
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It does now. For me, the path I'd take depends on the speed of the table. For DCP, TRUST ME BROTHER, the move is to send him the way I recommended. The guy is missing all but straight-in shots and has asked for help on how to make them. If he were my scotch doubles partner, better believe I'm sending him along the position line and not across it. If he can't make the 2 in the first diagram, how in the world would you feel comfy having him shoot that 2 or 4 from the center of the table? He's better to hope for a shallow angle and get close to his OB.
 
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Hmmmm

pooltchr said:
You have had lessons with one of our best instructors, and yet find the drills he gave you useless. (rolling balls up and down the table was the way I believe you put it)

You've read possibly the best book on the mental aspects of playing pool and find it a worthless waste of time.

I have to wonder why you continue to come back to this forum with your questions. Do you find the answers useless and boring as well?

Do you know how much excellent advice and guidence you have been given, from some of the best instructors in the game? Perhaps you need to consider if you really want to improve. People tell you things, and you seem to want to argue with them when they do.

If you are waiting for the magic wand that will instantly make you a better player, it doesn't exist. You have to take what information is available to you, and you have to put in the work. You seem to want it all, and want it all right now. It just doesn't work that way, my friend.

Improvement will come if you take what you learn and apply it. But it won't come overnight. Pool is not about a destination, it's about the journey. You may want to consider if it is a journey you really want to take.

Steve
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Great Post Steve ! I think you hit the nail on the head.

To DCP; Sometimes it is "you" and not "everyone" else! Being stubborn in pool is not a good way to improve your game and is the least liked trait of a student by an instructor.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
The second one i thought i needed to put a little right english on the CB to get it to come downtable for better position on the 2-Ball. i hit it a little too hard and stopped at the arrow by Point A, right in front of the 7-Ball that i then had to bridge over. as a result, i missed the jacked-up cut shot on the 2-Ball. All i had to do was make the 1-Ball and naturally roll up to Point B for the shot on the 2-Ball.
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Rolling that ball up and down the table at stroke and finesse speeds will build skills and confidence with speed control. All this shot needs is a finesse 2 speed. Once you see that, do it, and you have your shape.
 
The fact that you thought you had to use right english to get to the middle of the table basically shows you haven't practiced your center table drills enough. I'm no pro and I'm definately NOT an instructor (I add that line for Scott, heh), but honestly, it seems you are looking for a magic solution to a very common problem. The problem is, you don't practice or absorb what others are trying to show you.

Center table drills are bread and butter, that shot you outlined is basically a drill shot that you should have shot 100's if not 1000's of times. There was no reason to wonder how to shoot it, whether to use english, how hard to stroke, etc ... you should of done this already. There is no "trick" to these basic shots, it's not like a jacked up, in and out of the side pocket to avoid the scratch trick shot ... it's a basic drill shot. If you actually absorbed the info in the best book on the mental aspect of pool (instead of skimming the pages and declaring the book worthless) this would be an automatic response type of shot. Instead, you are wondering if getting hypnotized would help you. I would suggest you ask the hypnotherapist to convince you that you are Efren, or at the very least, have him convince you that you are someone that is willing to listen to advice instead of fighting against it.

As always though, best of luck in your improvement in this game. :)
 
Mark Avlon said:
Rolling that ball up and down the table at stroke and finesse speeds will build skills and confidence with speed control. All this shot needs is a finesse 2 speed. Once you see that, do it, and you have your shape.
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A finesse 2-speed? this shot didnt even require a 1-speed hit, as thin as it was and as little distance it had to travel. about a .25 speed i'd say.

We must be talking something different here. The speeds i am referring to are the Speed Mother Drill where you roll balls up and down the table and try and land them within two diamonds.
 
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