A couple of questions for bank pool players

[Gerry]

Gerry...Here's probably the biggest secret...most 1-rail banks are a half-ball aim (CTE). Pivots are not required.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Hi Scott,
I use sectioning of the OB and CB edges for some shots, and only learned this week that it also works for banking. I'm testing and learning every day.

This thread could not have turned out any better! I want to thank all you guys for leaking out all this super info. I think I should have started playing banks years ago, but up here in the northeast you NEVER see the game. It was kindof like when I moved to FLA, and asked guys to play 14.1

thanx again,

G.

 

[John Brumback]

I just wanted to acknowledge your avatar. I know most people on here don't know who Popcorn Sutton is but he is a legend around here, he lived on his own terms and died the same way. Love the pic


Aw hell JB, you art to be charging for these little nuggets of wisdom. Make me your manager and stick with me......we will strike it rich teaching these guys how to use the rails.:wink:

awite.JBKY

 

[SpiderWebComm]

For the 1-railers that you don't think you should miss..

Try hitting the angle a little bit wider but with a little more power to cut the angle. You should have a better success rate when you are coming into the pocket at less of an angle. The small the return window that you make for yourself the less of a chance you'll have at going short/long on the bank. (IE- if you're banking down only 4 inches, you'll have a better chance than if you're banking back 6 inches further down than the starting point)

Hope that helps some..

This is my method too. Setup long and force it in.

 

[JoeyA]

It's true and EVERYONE knows it!

Aw shucks JoeyA.You don't have to say all that.I'll give ya one for free!
Do not use low english if you don't have to. It will just make the pocket smaller. Well, I'll give ya 2...Center ball, on most bank shots. One more..
Keep the but of your cue down JoeyA.JBKY

All right John, that was pretty sweet. This is what John teaches in your one on one lessons as well.

John Brumback has the most level stroke of any player, ESPECIALLY BANK POOL PLAYERS. It really is a marvel about how level his cue is when playing.

The Derby City Classic is coming up in just a few weeks. John, I think you have just done yourself in. There are a lot of wannabee bank pool players on this site like the GingerBread Man and he is always looking for action at banks. :wink:

 

[JarnoV]

Still, bank pool the game is somewhat different from bank shots in one pocket. Obviously it doesn't hurt to be good at bank pool, but in one pocket you often want to shoot pocket speed banks or with a side-spin that doesn't maximize the chance of pocketing but the control of the cue ball.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Still, bank pool the game is somewhat different from bank shots in one pocket. Obviously it doesn't hurt to be good at bank pool, but in one pocket you often want to shoot pocket speed banks or with a side-spin that doesn't maximize the chance of pocketing but the control of the cue ball.

I think you need the same level of control in bank pool. Banking close in 1P counts -- banking close in bank pool doesn't. At a high level, if you're not controlling whitey on every shot in bank pool --- someone is gonna bring the heat.

If you're playing someone like Brumback, if you're not leaving him kissing on the short rail in the kitchen -- his cross overs and straight backs will break your back quickly

I always play 1 shot at a time in bank pool - - focusing on my CB first and foremost. If I make the bank, I count the point and repeat the process. If I miss, someone is shooting from Fort Knox. That's not different from 1p, I think, except close doesn't count (in my humble opinion).

 

[Zbotiman]

Cue-ball control

Still, bank pool the game is somewhat different from bank shots in one pocket. Obviously it doesn't hurt to be good at bank pool, but in one pocket you often want to shoot pocket speed banks or with a side-spin that doesn't maximize the chance of pocketing but the control of the cue ball.

This is a good point, further, English does complicate the shot, but ask JBKY how he gets to the banking patch when angle on the shot doesn't dictate preferred position? Bet he says he uses English on the white rock! Speed will get You so far, knowing the "SHOTS" is a big part of it, too! Then there's Rolling a bank, perhaps even turning it a bit, with English, for precise cue-ball control when playing SAFE, too. JBKY is the "BEST ON THE PLANET" right now (IMHO), just how much are you willing to share about the game of BANKS, John?:duck:

 

[John Brumback]

This is a good point, further, English does complicate the shot, but ask JBKY how he gets to the banking patch when angle on the shot doesn't dictate preferred position? Bet he says he uses English on the white rock! Speed will get You so far, knowing the "SHOTS" is a big part of it, too! Then there's Rolling a bank, perhaps even turning it a bit, with English, for precise cue-ball control when playing SAFE, too. JBKY is the "BEST ON THE PLANET" right now (IMHO), just how much are you willing to share about the game of BANKS, John?:duck:

I'll throw a few crumbs out every now and then.Thanks JBKY

 

[John Brumback]

All right John, that was pretty sweet. This is what John teaches in your one on one lessons as well.

John Brumback has the most level stroke of any player, ESPECIALLY BANK POOL PLAYERS. It really is a marvel about how level his cue is when playing.

The Derby City Classic is coming up in just a few weeks. John, I think you have just done yourself in. There are a lot of wannabee bank pool players on this site like the GingerBread Man and he is always looking for action at banks. :wink:

Hey JoeyA,What do you mean "done yourself in"? Maybe you can point him
out to me, when we get to the DCC. Thanks Bud,JBKY

 

[Fatboy]

I'll throw a few crumbs out every now and then.Thanks JBKY

Thanks buddy, enjoy your new cues, please let me know what your gonna do with the cue you had in Vegas this year.

I really hope you 3-pete, I believe you can. I'm in Germany right now, I will give you a call soon. Have a great Christmas and New Year.

Best

Fatboy



Incase if anyone has any doubts about how good JB banks, I felt like I was the winner if I made 2 banks playing short rack banks with him. I aint ever seen anything like it-Ever. Efren cant fade JB, nobody can IMO.

 

[John Brumback]

Thanks buddy, enjoy your new cues, please let me know what your gonna do with the cue you had in Vegas this year.

I really hope you 3-pete, I believe you can. I'm in Germany right now, I will give you a call soon. Have a great Christmas and New Year.

Best

Fatboy



Incase if anyone has any doubts about how good JB banks, I felt like I was the winner if I made 2 banks playing short rack banks with him. I aint ever seen anything like it-Ever. Efren cant fade JB, nobody can IMO.

Hello my good little buddy Fatman.You better get your big frozen butt back over here! I done told you...I am not getting rid of THAT CUE! My new ones should be here today or tomorrow.Wait till you see em! I think Even YOU might be impressed! You really think I can 3 peat? Well, your my little lucky charm aint ya? lol I'm gonna be trying real hard!! Thanks for the compliments there bud.You get back here safe and sound now. Merry xmas and a Happy new years to you and your's!!.Looking foward to talking to ya soon. JB in KY

 

[JoeyA]

The GingerBread Man

Hey JoeyA,What do you mean "done yourself in"? Maybe you can point him
out to me, when we get to the DCC. Thanks Bud,JBKY

There's a guy on the forum we call the GingerBread Man loves to play banks but I'm sure you've heard the old saying, "Run, run, fast as you can, you can't catch me, I'm the GingerBread Man".

He quick on his feet and can spin a story better than Lemuel Gulliver.

I could easily point him out to you as he is easily recognizable but you would have to be in real good shape because you would have to chase him for most of the 9 days to have a chance of catching him. I've heard he likes to bet it up but you have to be careful with him as he is crafty and will do a "bait and switch" on you, changing the game into something more to his liking. The guy can turn 180 on you in the blink of an eye. It's the feet man. Don't go for the moves, he's got too many, watch the feet, but be in shape.

Anyway, the GingerBread Man is a legend in these parts and has been for many years. You should learn more about the GingerBread Man before approaching him. I'm not the kind of guy to out a player but the GingerBread Man is an author, a card player, a road warrior, a stake horse, a television commentator, a consultant for film and television, a tournament promoter and director, and last but not least, a ladies man known the world over. I'm not saying for sure that you an find him by clicking here but you can give it a try.

Merry Christmas John & you too GingerBread Man.

 

[Gerry]

Well with all the AWSOME info here from JBKY, and all the other bank champs, I found this short paragraph from a guy that made a bank or two over the years....or 37 in a ROW!!!! no friggin Sh*t.....check out one pocket .org for more info.

What advice do you give for banking?
I would advise them to not ever draw your ball when your object ball is close to the rail. If you try to draw your ball, you’ll kiss the ball, but if you hit it with no English, like center ball, you’ll have more chance of making the bank without kissing it.

this is from none other then .....the "Knoxville Bear" himself....which sounds EXACTLY like the info we are getting from the champs from today right here right now!!!!


nothing like a good read from days gone bye, and learning how to conduct yourself on the road from Mr. ":Knoxville Bear" Eddie Taylor!


check out this link... http://www.onepocket.org/EddieTaylorHOFpage.htm

G.

 

[greyghost]

Well with all the AWSOME info here from JBKY, and all the other bank champs, I found this short paragraph from a guy that made a bank or two over the years....or 37 in a ROW!!!! no friggin Sh*t.....check out one pocket .org for more info.

What advice do you give for banking?
I would advise them to not ever draw your ball when your object ball is close to the rail. If you try to draw your ball, you’ll kiss the ball, but if you hit it with no English, like center ball, you’ll have more chance of making the bank without kissing it.

this is from none other then .....the "Knoxville Bear" himself....which sounds EXACTLY like the info we are getting from the champs from today right here right now!!!!
nothing like a good read from days gone bye, and learning how to conduct yourself on the road from Mr. ":Knoxville Bear" Eddie Taylor!


check out this link... http://www.onepocket.org/EddieTaylorHOFpage.htm

G.

thats a very great point to bring up.....as beginers/intermediates that don't know think the physics of the shot that draw would help shy off the double kiss.....but the rebound works faster than the draw ever could.....which is why center or follow works much better on alot of banks where the OB is stuck to the rail......

think of it this way.......you can shoot the shot hard enough that the rail compresses and the follow on the CB will make it "roll" off the face of the OB....the forward spin and the compression of the rail is what gets the OB and CB clear of each other.

Thats one of the specific things that make this game difficult to learn.....the physics of the game to the un-informed are simple....and they are actually but many things that they "THINK" is the physics or result of doing "X" to the shot is really exactly the opposite.....things like putting draw on the CB to make the OB have follow to make two balls in one hole in the same shot.....they would hit it with follow and it never works and they scratch their heads......

matter of fact if any of you ever have a problem with any kind of shot that you don't really know how to make b/c your not sure what kind of english to use...........try it with the exact opposite english you "thought" was correct and see the results.....guaranteed that you will find some of the shots you could never make are now going.........

you got to think bass ackwards sometimes to be a good pool player........

-Grey Ghost-

 

[TheConArtist]

If one hit the objectball hard enough will it keep going around the table till it drops in a pocket???? All joking aside what really helped my banks is when just playing with friends I like to play a game where you must bank at least three balls in order to win.

 

[HOSS22]

bankingb who posts here on az is brian gregg from indy and he has as much bank offense as any living human and he is definitely a system player and he gives lessons on banking. I doubt he posts his system here publicly but if you are interested in learning those systems i can get you in touch with brian.

good luck with that,i live close by and played on his vegas team and ive got one lesson from him,and that was only cuz i was bringing him some money a buddy owed him.that was like 2 months ago and cant get him to give anymore,so good luck!!!!

 

[HOSS22]

Aw shucks JoeyA.You don't have to say all that.I'll give ya one for free!
Do not use low english if you don't have to. It will just make the pocket smaller. Well, I'll give ya 2...Center ball, on most bank shots. One more..
Keep the but of your cue down JoeyA.JBKY

Listen to john the man knows how to bank a freakin ball,hell alot in a row...lol...goodluck this year john hope to see you there in the end again.merry xmas and happy new year to you and your family,hoss.

 

[Bankin-B]

enough said!...i can meet up with him and learn a few things! maybe at the derby?

you will need to be paid your vig my good man!...let me know!


G.

Gerry it is a pleasure meeting you on AZ, It's always nice to see someone has a interest in bank pool what a nice game it is, Bugs Rucker told me when I was younger coming up, to understand the diamond correspondence, the proper speed of stroke for each bank, and what contact point of the cueball for each bank makes a good banker, to practice these and perfect them which is very difficult to do will enhance your percentages of making the bank. It would be my pleasure to help you with your bank game sometime. See ya at the derby

 

[Bankin-B]

good luck with that,i live close by and played on his vegas team and ive got one lesson from him,and that was only cuz i was bringing him some money a buddy owed him.that was like 2 months ago and cant get him to give anymore,so good luck!!!!

Hoss are you talking about the money that was owed to me for over a year and I never asked about it, thank you for bringing to me almost all of it, by the way donn't forget your lesson was free, because i like to help people and especially my friends.

 

[Bankin-B]

Listen to john the man knows how to bank a freakin ball,hell alot in a row...lol...goodluck this year john hope to see you there in the end again.merry xmas and happy new year to you and your family,hoss.

hoss did you hear about beckley giving Jim Knifely the seven, some people were like jeff has got his hands full, whats the seven.