Is it possible?

deebee53

deebee53

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This shot came up last night. Is it possible to make the 3 ball (playing 9 ball) without scratching?



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My opponent (who is a SL6, btw) jacked up his cue to the point where I thought he was trying some type of jump shot. The cue ball hopped maybe a 1/2 off the table. The 3 went in and the 7 went to the bottom rail and came back up table. Cue ball pretty much stayed near the pocket.

I called bad hit and he gave me ball in hand. As I'm setting up my shot he was muttering to his team how he didn't know how it couldn't be a GOOD hit. Haha. I can't figure out how to get a good hit without scratching, with or without the jump stroke.:grin:
 
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Here's how I would shoot it. Jacking up would be necessary to get the curve. But I would have called someone over to watch the hit before I shot it, since even a good hit is gonna be close on this shot.

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I guess he was trying to say he hit the 3 first, but to hit the 3 first when shooting straight at it would make the 3 miss the pocket. Rail first and you scratch.
 
deebee53...With the shot set up the way you diagrammed it, imo, it is not only possible, but pretty makeable (with a legal hit), going to the long rail first, with left english and draw. If the other OB is closer to the 3, then maybe not. You definitely do not have to automatically scratch on this shot.

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deebee53 said:
This shot came up last night. Is it possible to make the 3 ball (playing 9 ball) without scratching?



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My opponent (who is a SL6, btw) jacked up his cue to the point where I thought he was trying some type of jump shot. The cue ball hopped maybe a 1/2 off the table. The 3 went in and the 7 went to the bottom rail and came back up table. Cue ball pretty much stayed near the pocket.

I called bad hit and he gave me ball in hand. As I'm setting up my shot he was muttering to his team how he didn't know how it couldn't be a GOOD hit. Haha. I can't figure out how to get a good hit without scratching, with or without the jump stroke.:grin:
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deebee53 said:

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I guess he was trying to say he hit the 3 first, but to hit the 3 first when shooting straight at it would make the 3 miss the pocket. Rail first and you scratch.
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Based on the diagram, the 3-ball probably can be pocketed rail-first, but if the first rail the 7-ball hit was the foot rail, it was definitely a foul.
 
It looks like if there is seperation between the 3 and 7, and the 3 is off the rail and out of pocket a little (as diagrammed), you could get a good hit by either kicking at side rail or end rail.

Side rail: Bottom with either left or right english depending on how big your window is or what your preferred angle of attack is
End rail: Like previous posters mentioned, with extreme bottom right with aim adjustment for required shwerve
 
Scott Lee said:
deebee53...With the shot set up the way you diagrammed it, imo, it is not only possible, but pretty makeable (with a legal hit), going to the long rail first, with left english and draw. If the other OB is closer to the 3, then maybe not. You definitely do not have to automatically scratch on this shot.

Scott Lee
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I agree with you that it is makable... I tried it on my table earlier. I was able to make it off the short rail and off the long rail without scratching. I had a higher degree of success with the short rail though.

Obviously the closer the 7 ball is to the 3 ball the harder the shot becomes.
 
The 7 was probably a little bit closer. I remember thinking it would need some side spin off the long rail to get in deep enough to touch the 3.

Either way, my opponent didn't go rail first. Case closed!
 
I am just wondering if he obviously hit the 7 ball first as shown in your layout, then why are you asking if it is possible...

The answer is yes it is possible. But not how your opponent did it.
 
Llama said:
I am just wondering if he obviously hit the 7 ball first as shown in your layout, then why are you asking if it is possible...

The answer is yes it is possible. But not how your opponent did it.
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I mostly thought it was comical how he acted like there was no way it wasn't a bad hit.

He was all night cheering for me and my teammates to scratch and get out of position. He actually patted my 7 on the back and said "Good job, keep it up," after a scratch. Real low class player. It was a big pleasure to beat him 15-5.
 
People that act like that are the main reason I no longer play in leagues. I just can't stand it when players act immaturely. There is no room for it as I see it. The game as I see it is one of calm nerves and well thought out execution. Not getting together and taking joy in other players misses and/or mistakes. It is about learning, not ridiculing.

I actually don't even play when I go to the bar anymore for the same reasons. I would much rather play at home on my table with friends who enjoy the game as it is played on a nice table. Not some beer stained, cloth ripped piece of crap with a crooked cue and no chalk with a bunch of drunk morons that don't know the rules (or even worse when they don't know that there are rules.)
 
OK, you said he jacked up and shot the 3 without hitting a rail first,right? You also said the 7 went UP table and came back down,right? If thats true the only way the 7 got UP table was from the cue ball off the 3 into the rail and into the 7. Sounds like a good hit to me.??
 
Whats wrong with a little double kiss off the point???

no foul for sure.

I wouldn't have jacked up to shoot it this way--- just a firm center ball shot.

The ball is definately makeable as diagrammed.

Dudley


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Dudley said:
Whats wrong with a little double kiss off the point???

no foul for sure.

I wouldn't have jacked up to shoot it this way--- just a firm center ball shot.

The ball is definately makeable as diagrammed.

Dudley


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Dudley, I totally agree with you on the shot you selected, I have made almost the exact shot when I was hooked while playing 1 Pocket. It is not that hard at all and center ball is certainly the way I would have played it.

Good Post
 
manwon said:
Dudley, I totally agree with you on the shot you selected, I have made almost the exact shot when I was hooked while playing 1 Pocket. It is not that hard at all and center ball is certainly the way I would have played it.

Good Post
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Thanks Bud!

I too play one pocket...It is by far the game I prefer to play.

Dudley
 
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