APA wins Guinness World Record
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Druid- and this being America you can also create a business, risk all of your capital, probably borrow money, work nearly 24/7 and miss birthdays and golf games, all to pursue your dream of creating a business. Say what you will about the APA (and everyone does, including me after our team was knocked out of the playoffs by a 2 that ran 1 1/2 racks), but they have a product that the public wants. OK, maybe "wants" is not the right word, but certainly the public buys it. I think they are to be congratulated like you said. They grew while everything is shrinking.
Bob
Bob
Apa
If what you say is true, then the numbers need to be crunched a little more. Several years ago I went to a APA presentation about
league and the money to be had if you own it.
If I remember correctly, back then it was based on Five dollars per player per night and the way I seem to remember the numbers.
one dollar to the Travel Assistance Fund (Escrow Account for winning Team to go to Vegas)
two dollars to the APA
two dollars to the League Operator pocket (profit)
So if you take 270,366 multiply by two dollars = $540,732.00 per week, times 44 playable weeks $23,792,208.00 per year.
Not counting the six average playoff weeks. two for Summer, Fall, and Spring sessions and then usually a week of no play
between Christmas and New Years and a week off after Memorial day and start of the Summer session. Or two weeks off between
Christmas and New Years.
Now days on average the APA League operators charge Seven dollars per player per night, so more money to be had.
The bottom line, it is a Great Business and you can basically do it right from home.
My hat is off to the APA, Great Idea, it has grown leaps and bounds.
If what you say is true, then the numbers need to be crunched a little more. Several years ago I went to a APA presentation about
league and the money to be had if you own it.
If I remember correctly, back then it was based on Five dollars per player per night and the way I seem to remember the numbers.
one dollar to the Travel Assistance Fund (Escrow Account for winning Team to go to Vegas)
two dollars to the APA
two dollars to the League Operator pocket (profit)
So if you take 270,366 multiply by two dollars = $540,732.00 per week, times 44 playable weeks $23,792,208.00 per year.
Not counting the six average playoff weeks. two for Summer, Fall, and Spring sessions and then usually a week of no play
between Christmas and New Years and a week off after Memorial day and start of the Summer session. Or two weeks off between
Christmas and New Years.
Now days on average the APA League operators charge Seven dollars per player per night, so more money to be had.
The bottom line, it is a Great Business and you can basically do it right from home.
My hat is off to the APA, Great Idea, it has grown leaps and bounds.
Also of note, that is the number of players, not number of times they play... You only play 5 people per week, so, some don't pay every week. But, there are also players who play multiple times a week (I know some that play on 4 or 5 APA teams a week!).
Brian
Brian
tablerunna
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All this talk about 6 or 7 dollars for APA league dues makes me wonder, is the L.O. in Maine just greedy. In Maine it has been 8 bucks forever and he has the whole state of Maine. That must be a nice extra chunk of change every week.
All this talk about 6 or 7 dollars for APA league dues makes me wonder, is the L.O. in Maine just greedy. In Maine it has been 8 bucks forever and he has the whole state of Maine. That must be a nice extra chunk of change every week.
That would depend on how teams split it up.
If I understand it correctly (and I could be wrong, just ask my wife!) it's $40 per team per week. Everywhere, not just here in Maine. It's up to the team how they divide that $40. We usually just have the 5 people that played pay $8 each.
When there is a forefeited game, someone has to pay the difference. Or a whole forfeited match. Also, in playoffs it's only $30, divided however you choose.
Some places they charge more, the "greens fees" you hear of. The extra going to the room. We don't have that in Bangor where I play, but I understand they do charge an extra dollar per player in Ellsworth. I don't think that has anything to do with the LO.
only $25 per team per week in East Central Florida Region . Guess your LO really is stacking paper . . . but that's what he's in business to do , isn't it ?
only $25 per team per week in East Central Florida Region . Guess your LO really is stacking paper . . . but that's what he's in business to do , isn't it ?
Well there you go... proving that I really don't know anything! :grin:
(Of course he does payback at the end of each session, in every division, three places. $800 for 1st, $400 for 2nd, can't remember what third gets... probably that's where this money is going. Other places don't seem to get end of session payouts.)
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A given operator sets the fees for his/her area. There are usually two pieces to the weekly fee. One piece goes into the players fund to pay for patches, trophies, paybacks, travel, etc., and the other is revenue for the operator. A third component would be the fee charged by the location for the use of the table.
Many players are unaware of the breakdown of their league fees. Their captain simply says "give me $7", so to them it's $7 per week. That could be $7 to the operator, or it could be $2.50 to the operator, $2.50 to the players fund, and $2 to the location.
I charge $30 per team per week. That's $15 to me and $15 to the players fund. However, based on what different locations charge for the table, players pay anywhere from $6 to $10 per week.
Just trying to help you all understand why fees can be different everywhere...
Many players are unaware of the breakdown of their league fees. Their captain simply says "give me $7", so to them it's $7 per week. That could be $7 to the operator, or it could be $2.50 to the operator, $2.50 to the players fund, and $2 to the location.
I charge $30 per team per week. That's $15 to me and $15 to the players fund. However, based on what different locations charge for the table, players pay anywhere from $6 to $10 per week.
Just trying to help you all understand why fees can be different everywhere...
So you make 30 dollars everytime 2 teams play each other?
tablerunna
Registered
We do not pay any greens fees anywhere I play so all the money goes to the L.O., how is splits it is anybodies guess. Seeing what happens in other places is one of the reasons that made me quit APA. It is a national league system, so why should it not be the same everywhere. I understand different parts of the country, different # of players blah blah blah heard it all before. It still makes no sense at all to me how a league that is nationwide can be soooooooooooo different to play in from state to state or even town to town in some instances. Even handicaps change from a location to another. When the L.O. is allowed free reign to change handicaps as he/she sees fit, what good is the Equilizer system. Consistency would be nice
I believe that's what I said. That's revenue from weekly play. Why do you ask?
tablerunna
Registered
May have thought it seemed a little excessive that you take 50%(half) of the money taken in. :scratchhead:
A % of profit per year, IIRC like 20% goes back to the APA as well.
Plus, they paid a purchase price to buy the franchise.
It's called franchising.
The APA does not own the league you play in. The individual league operator does.
Steve