PRO ONE DVD: Answering Questions
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But do you read my interpretation as giving a different prescription from what you understand Stan to be saying? I.e., in your view, would my interpretation result in a different bridge placement from your interpretation?
The first two recommended bridge lengths you gave are different from what Stan has on the DVD I received.
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I think I just lost some brain cells after reading that. Thanks.
Exactly where you place the bridge hand can depend on many factors (e.g., exact head/eye alignment, the distance between the head and CB and tip and CB, body angle, and the style of approach and slide into the stance, the type of bridge used and how it is formed, etc.). I think people following Stan's instructions or the interpretations by you or me can certainly arrive at different bridge placements. The bridge-hand placement doesn't seem to be well defined to me. It seems more "guided" by your eye alignment and how you judge the tip position and lines at different angles from one vantage point.
Thanks for pointing this out. When I get a chance, I'll check it out and make corrections if necessary.
Regards,
Dave
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My thoughts exactly. :grin:
There's no doubt Stan is the first instructor to put all the CTE pieces together. He's the first person in the history of pool to put together a thorough DVD on the subject. He "lived" this topic for years, investing thousands of hours into putting it in a format that can be learned.
Am I surprised other instructors are starting to incorporate his information into their teachings? Of course not. It's the best info in the world on the subject - bar NONE.
Having all of us tear each other up into pieces fighting over Hal's "toy" isn't what Hal had in mind, for sure. I think what's most important is for those who use Stan's information (or my information) -- just give credit where credit is due. In the end, it's a "Good Thing" that more players play better in a shorter period of time. Who do I give my credit on the subject? Hal, Stan and RonV (don't forget that guy, TRUST me).
Dave
P.S. Thanks, Petey. Nice of you to say.
Am I surprised other instructors are starting to incorporate his information into their teachings? Of course not. It's the best info in the world on the subject - bar NONE.
Having all of us tear each other up into pieces fighting over Hal's "toy" isn't what Hal had in mind, for sure. I think what's most important is for those who use Stan's information (or my information) -- just give credit where credit is due. In the end, it's a "Good Thing" that more players play better in a shorter period of time. Who do I give my credit on the subject? Hal, Stan and RonV (don't forget that guy, TRUST me).
Dave
P.S. Thanks, Petey. Nice of you to say.
I think the problem is people are getting hung up on the wording way to much because of there lack of experience with cte systems. If its not identical to the dvd, it has to be wrong 
I have trouble understanding 3/4 of spideys post, but i know he is an expert on cte and have said that a few times already.
I got a pm telling me the way i shot cte on the phone vid is not cte I actually think the phone vid shows a experienced cte user shooting cte off balanced,jacked up, bad bridging,off to the side trying to avoid knocking the phone over, already bridged on the table and moving the ball with his cue, then sighting cte and reference point while stationary and not getting up and re positioning himself. If i had someone holding my phone i could have made some real pretty looking pivots and shots like on the dvd :grin:
another shot for the guy who thinks i dont shoot cte like the dvd and the video is flipped and was a right cut actually
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6hWewHxEyA here is the original http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjEB9MChPf8
im waiting for someone to post that this system only works with an ob-1
I have trouble understanding 3/4 of spideys post, but i know he is an expert on cte and have said that a few times already. I got a pm telling me the way i shot cte on the phone vid is not cte
I actually think the phone vid shows a experienced cte user shooting cte off balanced,jacked up, bad bridging,off to the side trying to avoid knocking the phone over, already bridged on the table and moving the ball with his cue, then sighting cte and reference point while stationary and not getting up and re positioning himself. If i had someone holding my phone i could have made some real pretty looking pivots and shots like on the dvd :grin:another shot for the guy who thinks i dont shoot cte like the dvd and the video is flipped and was a right cut actually
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6hWewHxEyA here is the original http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjEB9MChPf8im waiting for someone to post that this system only works with an ob-1
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I have a question. When sighting CB edge to OBB, you obviously place the cue in a line parallel to these 2 lines, as they are the same angle. However, when shooting CB edge to OB A or C, the two lines are not the same angle, so which does the cue align with? Is it a line that bisects the two, the CB center to OBE line, or the CB edge to OB A/C, or am I simply missing something? ANy help would be appreciated!
I am also looking for the best way to figure out if I will be shooting at CBE to OB A/C or OBB. Obviously you can get down on each shot and see if it appears to line up, but that is awfully slow for actual play. Is it just repetitive use of the system all over the table, or are there some quick tips that help figure it out. The biggest deterent so far to using it in actual play is not knowing which way to set up or pivot on the shots that aren't obvious, which, of course, are the ones that I would most like to have the system for.
Forget your question - that's the best answer because there is no answer. In 2D (wei table), I guess the answer would be a constant. However, in real world--- your perception of the OB size will change your eyes' offset from the CTEL on an A, B or C alignment.... which changes the line your cue falls on. From the perfect visual, you cue is perpendicular to the visual face of the CB, 1/2-tip offset from center. This line (based on the shot/distance) is a variable.... probably infinite.
So, in conclusion, focus on the VISUAL in order to get the correct 180 degree picture of the CB so you know where to put the tip.
Hope that helps.
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This is the case when you first start out. I was the same way too. In practical application, you should be able to see if it's a thick or thin-side cut. For thick left, you're at A. For thick right, you're at C. Everything else is B unless it's THIN-THIN --- then you're at 1/8.
Basic experience should tell you the standard base alignment in 2 secs. From there, it's 50/50 as far as a left/right pivot. If you pivot one way and it's not right, reset on the opposite side. Over time, you'll learn to pivot from the same direction on every shot.
Fight through the learning process. You need to practice for a while before this becomes "instant."
very true!
Thanks for the info. I will give it a shot. THe system is both exciting and frustrating at the same time. When I sight and align it correctly, it works very well, giving me consistency with shots I never had before, but it definately takes practice to become good at it, and to recognize the correct visuals and pivots. Thanks again.
Does this mean that every shot can have be played with a right pivot, or that you will learn to identify the correct pivot for each shot from experience? Forgive me if I am asking dumb questions, I just want to make sure that I fully gather all the info correctly, as it all lend itself to an understanding of the system.
Good post, Joey. As long as we're giving medals out, we can't forget about Dave Segal and Ron Vitello! They've also contributed to our knowledge base with pivot systems.
Best,
Mike
Disclaimer: Mike is not a nut hugger! Except for Jennifer Baretta. :grin:
As a right hander, you can always make a "left pivot" (tip offset to the left). As a left hander, you can always make a "right pivot" (tip offset to the right).
I perform a left pivot on every single shot I shoot. So, for me, every shot is chocolate, vanilla or strawberry.
It's fascinating how such a finite selection of ice cream can make all 31 flavors required for savory pool.