Nobody came to baltimore and got the money!

KD I heard your version, maybe they played more than once.

Back around 92'ish I had a buddy who traveled around up there, and came back RAVING about some guy we'd never heard of called "Cigar Tom".

We all though he was just relating old road legends, but he swore he SAW Tom run over Johnny a session. I don't remember what the race was to, or for how much, but "Nike" swore Tom never missed and only played two safeties in the set, basically perfect pool for as long as my buddy sat and watched.

He also said both safeties were "mortal locks" and that Tom was also pretty handy with the rack. There was something about Archer getting the break for one portion of the festivities, and how he never seemed to make a ball on the break, and how the locals were wanting to side bet that JA couldn't make the 9 touch a rail on the break.

I don't know how much is true, or accurate, but this seemed to be the thread to add it to the mix.

Yes that was the days before rack your own,tom would rack the ball perfect all froze,straight,nothing all all funny looking,but some how he knew what he was doing with that rack,and would never ever tell any of us locals,how to do what he was with that rack,now iam not saying that he was doing any thing wrong,maybe he was or not who knows,there was nothing obvious to the eye.
 
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Sadly i just got the word today,running out billiards in dundalk,baltimore is closing march the 5th.that place has been a pool hall for 40years,the authorities came in and took the poker machines out,pool has gotten so bad lately a place just cant stay open on pool alone,just what we dont need another pool room closeing,looks like top hat is the last pool room left in good old baltimore,time to head north,top hat here we come!
 
Cigar Tom

I've seen Tom play plenty of times.He needed 1 ball to beat Siegal in one pocket to win the all around MD.Championship down Gentlemans cue also known as Bennies I think that might have been in 1986 but Siegal won.His brother Bob had the highest run of 9 ball racks in a tournament 13. Tom played one of the greatest players in 9 ball ,Toby Sweet in the late 70'S to a 2 day draw Toby said Tom was too tough on tables where he played at. Jam is right about Geese I saw him win a MD.Championship in Tom's poolroom.I think Geese won MD.Championships 2 or 3 times.I never saw Tom shark or do anything below his proud standard to win never cried just tried his best and played as good in tough competion as in weak competion. Sorry to hear about Runningout Billiards Poolroom closing. At one time in Balt. MD. there was Eleven Hundred Poolrooms today there might be 4 or 5, in the 40's and 50'S and 60's they had a poolroom on every block that's including barber shops in the back, most of them had 4 or more tables . Times sure have changed. I was wondering if Tom ever Played Eddie Kelly who lived in Balt. MD. for 5 years 1959-1963.
 
I've seen Tom play plenty of times.He needed 1 ball to beat Siegal in one pocket to win the all around MD.Championship down Gentlemans cue also known as Bennies I think that might have been in 1986 but Siegal won.His brother Bob had the highest run of 9 ball racks in a tournament 13. Tom played one of the greatest players in 9 ball ,Toby Sweet in the late 70'S to a 2 day draw Toby said Tom was too tough on tables where he played at. Jam is right about Geese I saw him win a MD.Championship in Tom's poolroom.I think Geese won MD.Championships 2 or 3 times.I never saw Tom shark or do anything below his proud standard to win never cried just tried his best and played as good in tough competion as in weak competion. Sorry to hear about Runningout Billiards Poolroom closing. At one time in Balt. MD. there was Eleven Hundred Poolrooms today there might be 4 or 5, in the 40's and 50'S and 60's they had a poolroom on every block that's including barber shops in the back, most of them had 4 or more tables . Times sure have changed. I was wondering if Tom ever Played Eddie Kelly who lived in Balt. MD. for 5 years 1959-1963.

Thanks for the great story,i see tom every day at running out billiards,he says he never played ed kelly.yes geese did win down in dundalk,guess who he beat,tom,it came down to the last game of 8ball,geese made a hell of a kick on the 8 to win,i will never for get it!
 
Tom would have this spit-soaked cigar hanging from his mouth while he would move quickly around the table. He would hit the CB and move to where the CB was going to stop, wait for it, and then he would get down and repeat the process.

To this day, I've NEVER seen anything like it before. I went to Dundalk to play him years ago. Not gambling, but I just wanted to feel some "heat" one time. He knew I drove a long way so he was happy to play.

He picked a house cue off the rack and told me to break. I did--- empty break. He didn't have a shot, so he pushed out to a hooked position. "Go ahead," I said. He jacked up and jump-fired the 1 ball in and drew the length of the table to the two and ran out so fast I couldn't make sense of it. I know I didn't win a game and let's just say that was a reality-check just in cast I had any ideas of being a "pool player."

That guy is a POOL PLAYER. Make no mistake.
 
Tom would have this spit-soaked cigar hanging from his mouth while he would move quickly around the table. He would hit the CB and move to where the CB was going to stop, wait for it, and then he would get down and repeat the process.

To this day, I've NEVER seen anything like it before. I went to Dundalk to play him years ago. Not gambling, but I just wanted to feel some "heat" one time. He knew I drove a long way so he was happy to play.

He picked a house cue off the rack and told me to break. I did--- empty break. He didn't have a shot, so he pushed out to a hooked position. "Go ahead," I said. He jacked up and jump-fired the 1 ball in and drew the length of the table to the two and ran out so fast I couldn't make sense of it. I know I didn't win a game and let's just say that was a reality-check just in cast I had any ideas of being a "pool player."

That guy is a POOL PLAYER. Make no mistake.
Great story thank you for it,iam sure that was on table 1 toms table we call it,one of the tightest playing tables in the world!
 
Talented Family!

Tom's nephew Gary has won my tournament in Waco. Great player too!

Here are the past winner of the Texas Open (The Longest running 9ball tournament in the US)

Bob is Cigar Tom's older brother.

1974 Sammy Jones
1975 Richie Ambrose
1976 Roy Mallot
1977 Jack Breit
1978 James Christopher
1979 Bob Vanover
1980 Frank Thompson
1981 Bob Vanover
1982 Bob Vanover
1983 Bob Vanover
1984 Bob Vanover
1985 Bob Vanover
1986 Bob Vanover

1987 Calvin Harcrowe
1988 Jerry Prado
1989 Al Mason
1990 Gilbert Martinez, Jr
1991 Javier Franco
1992 Gilbert Martinez, Jr
1993 Gilbert Martinez, Jr
1994 Jeremy Jones
1995 Bob Vanover
1996 CJ Wiley
1997 CJ Wiley
1998 Buddy Hall
1999 Gabe Owen
2000 David Gutierrez
2001 Tony Watson
2002 Jeremy Jones
2003 Jeremy Jones
2004 Juilung Chen
2005 David Gutierrez
2006 David Henson
2007 Sylver Ochoa
2008 Shane Van Boening
2009 Chris Bartrum
2010 Charlie Bryant
 
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That's a list of 'where are they now...

David g? Sylver? Chen?
They were movers a decade ago. I can't believe they are all earning paychecks these days...??
Tom's nephew Gary has won my tournament in Waco. Great player too!

Here are the past winner of the Texas Open (The Longest running 9ball tournament in the US)

Bob is Cigar Tom's older brother.

1974 Sammy Jones
1975 Richie Ambrose
1976 Roy Mallot
1977 Jack Breit
1978 James Christopher
1979 Bob Vanover
1980 Frank Thompson
1981 Bob Vanover
1982 Bob Vanover
1983 Bob Vanover
1984 Bob Vanover
1985 Bob Vanover
1986 Bob Vanover

1987 Calvin Harcrowe
1988 Jerry Prado
1989 Al Mason
1990 Gilbert Martinez, Jr
1991 Javier Franco
1992 Gilbert Martinez, Jr
1993 Gilbert Martinez, Jr
1994 Jeremy Jones
1995 Bob Vanover
1996 CJ Wiley
1997 CJ Wiley
1998 Buddy Hall
1999 Gabe Owen
2000 David Gutierrez
2001 Tony Watson
2002 Jeremy Jones
2003 Jeremy Jones
2004 Juilung Chen
2005 David Gutierrez
2006 David Henson
2007 Sylver Ochoa
2008 Shane Van Boening
2009 Chris Bartrum
2010 Charlie Bryant
 
This is an old thread, but I was wondering about richiebalto. He has not posted since January 2016. Has anybody heard from him?
 
This is an old thread, but I was wondering about richiebalto. He has not posted since January 2016. Has anybody heard from him?



He lost $ in the action room & didn't pay off. Seemingly in hiding, story is he went camping.
 
He lost $ in the action room & didn't pay off. Seemingly in hiding, story is he went camping.

Wow! That is disappointing that he did not pay off. Bummer! :(

One thing I've learned is to never gamble what you cannot afford to lose. :wink:

I don't gamble much. :embarrassed2:
 
Love your details. :)

JoeyA

Cigar Tom, great player from Maryland for sure. I've seen him many times, and he's always carried himself as the ultimate gentleman. :cool:

I do wonder the years he won the Maryland State tourneys, though, because I know Sigel won in '86, and before that, Geese won two or three, if my memory is right.

It would be great to find this Maryland record, if one even exists. :confused:

Tom used to shoot with a shaft that was the size of a pencil -- no kidding. Like Billy said, he was such an icon in his Dundalk pool room, especially in the '80s, that his fans also shot with cues that had a pencil width. I had never seen anything like it in my life then and since that time, a pencil-width shaft. Tom claims he gets more english on the ball with that size shaft. :p

Tom also has a brother who plays pretty sporty in Texas, with the same last name: Vanover.

Last time I saw Tom was at the pool room on Pulaski Highway that shut down. I think it was about 2002 or thereabouts. He had an appointment for an action game. Rumor was that Tom would play anybody that came to town, as long as they made an appointment ahead of time. I hadn't seen him in quite sometime, and so I was anxious to see him shoot again. He walked in, just as trim and dapper as ever. The only thing that changed was he had a little gray in his hair. Other than that, he hadn't aged one bit. Instead of one of those luggage-like, 4-and-4 cue cases with his name brandished on it, Tom walked in with his cue in a lightweight velvet wrap. It was beautiful. :grin-square:

He never did talk much and let his stick do all the talking for him. He had a humble, unassuming-type personality. This last time I saw him in 2002, Cigar Tom still moved around the table like a panther, and all the Baltimore "regulars" sitting on the rail bet their money on him.

There's been quite a few roadsters who came to Dundalk to try to take Tom off at his pool room in Dundalk -- "Running Out Billiards," I think it was named -- but it was really hard to beat him in his own room. They usually left town with empty pockets. :embarrassed2:

Like another player I know well, Tom's best game is on the bar box, but make no mistake about it, he can play on any equipment, any game, at any time. That's the way pool used to be *and* when pool shined the brightest. There were no rack mechanics, B players with big egos demanding handicaps to gamble, locksmiths looking to rob somebody, and players who can't run 3 balls in a row being videotaped. People used to enjoy players who could actually play some and demonstrated their skills by putting together packages on a field of green. Imagine that! ;)

Here's a picture of Tom at the 1986 Maryland State Tournament where he was runner-up to Mike Sigel.
 
I beat Tom in the finals of the Maryland Open one year maybe it was '89. I don't quite remember the year that well but it was certainly within a year or so one way or the other. This was at Gentleman's cue in Ocean City. I remember very well his being on the hill and and I needing three games when he boxed a relatively easy five ball. I ran the set out from there.

The thing I remember best about that match was the aftermath. As I was leaving to go to a celebration dinner with friends I saw Tom setting up that five ball shot over and over again. When I returned over an hour later, there he was still shooting that same five ball shot. Man! Was I impressed with this guy's work ethics. It is no wonder he was such a force in the pool world.

Tom
 
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