Naysayers Unite

Bob Jewett said:
Do you have a specific example of this?
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The best example I can think of are banks that, on paper, shouldn't go, but do (bending the object ball is what I'm getting at). Yea, it can be figured out mathematically (although I don't have a clue how), but who the hell wants to do all that? I'd rather do something more fun like drink beer or watch someone actually bank it in. :p

Another simple example is the "tit" shot, where the object ball is on the tit frozen. It goes straight in the side if hit dead straight with speed. Everyone knows that you are compressing the cushion but I wouldn't have a clue as to "show" that one paper. It just goes.
 
Roger Long said:
Psst...Dudley. This is a satirical thread. Comments from neutralites will not be well received. :nono:
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What are those?

A.) The helpful salts one finds in Gatorade and other sports drinks?

B.) A Bushism? (Sort of in the same vein as "nucular" weapons?)

C.) A famous people from the Bible? ("He said unto the neutralites...")

J/K,
-Sean
 
Tramp Steamer said:
I agree with Joey. Aiming systems are pure poppycock. Whatever the hell a poppycock is.
Aiming systems were designed for only one thing and that is to separate a fool from his money, and toward that end I suppose they do work.
As for the Pros who use an aiming system, let's hear the testimonials. They'll likely be few and far between.
Real pool players see it, hit it, and go on to the next one. :)
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On a Livestream this past weekend, I heard Stevie Moore talking to another person (I guess it was his co-commentator) about how he uses Pro One exclusively as his aiming system and that's no poppycock.

Personally, it doesn't make any difference how you get to the correct aim line. Use an aiming system or don't use one.

If you don't need one or want one, don't use one. It's as simple as that. Why try and tell someone that they're dumb for using an aiming system, especially when they see their game improving.

Naysayers uniting is the real poopycock.

JoeyA
 
cleary said:
I just don't understand how something that is making me a better shot maker is "poppycock". Please explain.
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Because it probably isn't cleary, and I say that because there is no quantative proof that they help anyone.
As simplistic as it sounds, if aiming systems worked wouldn't we all be using one?
 
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Johnnyt said:
Let's start a list of the pros that use it. First we have....

1) Stevie Moore
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The videos only been out a short while Johnnyt. :wink:

Seriously, if you don't need or want CTE/Pro One as an aiming system you shouldn't trying to learn how to use it. Some people will shoot just fine using just what they are using right now and may have no interest in learning CTE/Pro One. That's perfectly understandable.

I do know CJ Wiley uses a SPECIAL aiming system. Heck, he even has a very good video out on it.

JoeyA
 
Tramp Steamer said:
Aiming systems are pure poppycock. Whatever the hell a poppycock is.
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There is a certain species of flower, and....well.....they have to reproduce in order to survive as a species. So.....a poppycock is the reproductive organ of the male poppy :D!!!

You asked for it!!!

Maniac (keeping in mind that this is a satirical thread :thumbup:)
 
Just for the record, Joey, you were the one who used the word 'dumb' in reference to those who use aiming systems, and of the two "Pro" players you cited who use a system, both appear to have a vested interest in each, ie; profit.

Oh yeah. Nice job Maniac.
 
Tramp Steamer said:
As simplistic as it sounds, if aiming systems worked wouldn't we all be using one?
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So I guess just telling you that its helped my shot making isn't proof enough? When the tournament director of a tour I've been playing on for 3 years asks, "what do you think is the reason for your quick improvement all of a sudden", should I have responded with "you have no proof I've improved"?


Tramp Steamer said:
As simplistic as it sounds, if aiming systems worked wouldn't we all be using one?
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Oddly enough, no.

First of all, not everyone needs it. Some people are simply talented and don't need it. If you do not struggle with aiming and play at a high speed... I don't think you need a new system. Anyone that plays A speed or above aims just fine and has no use for any of this unless there are certain shots they struggle with.

Another thing is trust. Some people wont use a credit card on the internet. They don't trust it. Aiming system seem "too good to be true", so they must be. How much time have you invested in trying CTE or 90/90? I would guess not much if any. We wouldn't ALL be using it because most dismiss it without giving it a fair stab.

A lot of good players kick 100% by feel. No diamond system... but does that mean the diamond system doesnt work? Of course it does.

Its sooooo important to remember that nobody is going to be a champion based on aiming good. You have to be great at so many different things to make everything work. Aim, speed, planning, patterns, stroke, position, and on and on and on. Aiming is just a piece to the puzzle.
 
Im a systems guy that plays a lot with feel.It would be awesome
to have a ball pocketing contest wouldn't it.:wink:
 
Tramp Steamer said:
Just for the record, Joey, you were the one who used the word 'dumb' in reference to those who use aiming systems, and of the two "Pro" players you cited who use a system, both appear to have a vested interest in each, ie; profit.

Oh yeah. Nice job Maniac.
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You have some reading comprehension problems Tramp.
I said "Why try and tell someone that they're dumb for using an aiming system, especially when they see their game improving? The dumb thing is people suggesting or insinuating that there's something wrong with using aiming systems. That's the dumbest thing of all.

"All of this is poppcock" meant the thread. Sorry that you and Duckie read it wrong. LOL

You must be the accountant of these two players which I cited. :D I don't know such things.
 
Mt. Cheverest said:
The best example I can think of are banks that, on paper, shouldn't go, but do (bending the object ball is what I'm getting at). Yea, it can be figured out mathematically (although I don't have a clue how), but who the hell wants to do all that? I'd rather do something more fun like drink beer or watch someone actually bank it in. :p

Another simple example is the "tit" shot, where the object ball is on the tit frozen. It goes straight in the side if hit dead straight with speed. Everyone knows that you are compressing the cushion but I wouldn't have a clue as to "show" that one paper. It just goes.
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And you would agree that you have to aim and shoot both shots by feel, wouldn't you? There is no exact system that tells you how to play these shots.
 
Tramp Steamer said:
Isn't a ball pocketing contest what they call a pool tournament?
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Don't forget to play position. And play safe. Control your break. Don't scratch. Oh, kick your ball when your stuck. Oh man, maybe there is more to it than just pocketing balls???
 
JoeyA said:
You have some reading comprehension problems Tramp.
I said "Why try and tell someone that they're dumb for using an aiming system, especially when they see their game improving? The dumb thing is people suggesting or insinuating that there's something wrong with using aiming systems. That's the dumbest thing of all.

"All of this is poppcock" meant the thread. Sorry that you and Duckie read it wrong. LOL

You must be the accountant of these two players which I cited. :D I don't know such things.
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No, Joey. You're just not paying attention. You're the only person on this thread to use the word dumb.
And, if you really want to split a hair, this thread was for naysayers, not yeasayers, in the first place. All of you yeasayers have taken up more than your share of space extolling the seemingly endless virtues of aiming systems, ad nauseum.
 
Tramp Steamer said:
No, Joey. You're just not paying attention. You're the only person on this thread to use the word dumb.
And, if you really want to split a hair, this thread was for naysayers, not yeasayers, in the first place. All of you yeasayers have taken up more than your share of space extolling the seemingly endless virtues of aiming systems, ad nauseum.
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Maybe the Naysayers should have their own separate forum where they all could be miserable together. :D:D:D
 
JoeyA said:
... I do know CJ Wiley uses a SPECIAL aiming system. Heck, he even has a very good video out on it. ...
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Yes. CJ calls it "The Ultimate Aiming System." Whereas Stan's CTE method has 6 cut angles in either direction (for any given distance between CB and OB), CJ's system yields 8 cut angles in either direction (plus straight).
 
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