Any other pool halls charge like this?

Wheeljack

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So, I go into a hall here in the Daytona Beach area last night to kill some time before going to meet friends.

Normally, I practice by myself, but last night there was a guy there that I knew when I arrived and we played together for an hour and a half. He already had a table when I got there.

So, I finish and go to pay my time and the owner charges me the single player rate. I questioned him on it and he said my friend already had his table and his time was seperate. I pressed the issue a little and the owner just shrugged his shoulders at me. Pissed me off to no end. I told him that was fine and all, but that is not the way it is normally done.

This place changed owners late last year and the old management did not charge me that way. My old pool room in KY did not charge that way.

Does anyone here have a pool room that charges like that? If I'm wrong here then I will get over it. Otherwise, that joint just lost over $100/month in my table time fees over a $4 overcharge.

Please share your thoughts-

J.
 
If the other guy kept his table open and running...seems you should both get charged single person time / table. makes sense IF his table was still open and running.

Carl
 
table time

Any place i have every went. Has charged me for the time i used. Unless we start about the same time and we split it:D
 
Never heard of it.... the only I've ever been charged separate is when there is an all day deal, but I can have my own table aside from my friends.
 
The place I play, the rate is the same per person regardless if you are two or one so this would not happen, but if the rate is different for two players you should have been charged the two player rate and pay your half. So my opinion it was a bad move by the owner.

However, it's possible their computer didn't have a way of doing that since your friend was on as a single, maybe the computer only had the option of adding you as a single. Even if this was the case, the owner should have adjusted, but that would mean they would have to adjust for your friend, too, then go back to single rates.

I would talk to the owner futher before deciding to leave all together, there are not as many options as there once were. Maybe he can comp you a drink or two to make up for it.

Dave
 
Pool halls in Japan typically charge everyone playing a single player rate. They don't usually have multiple player rates.
 
some places have

yes, but that doesn't make it right.........

there's no reason that when you guys joined up, that he could have started charging the two of you at a two player rate. perhaps to eliminate this, you could turn in one set of balls the next time you decide to join someone.
 
Table Rate Mix Up

From his standpoint is just charging you as you were represented on the computer.

But:

He should know you did not participate in the other players table rates just yours so if he were smart he could have said ok, I will drop your table rate to the double rate, but next time let us know you picked up an extra player so we can change it on the computer and have your friend turn in his table or decidely keep it at the single player rate.

Its one of those times when someone has to give and I wouldnt let $4 bucks mess a nice place up for me but that puts him in competition with other rooms who treat you better, charge less and are glad to see you.

Thats his mistake, yours wasnt keeping things straight with him and I know Ive done it and its easy to do. Some folks are just special and he is definitely one of those.

336Robin :thumbup:

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IMO, it was wrong for him to charge you single-player rates. Let me explain why: You could have went to the counter requesting a table/set of balls and took the balls to a table and tossed the balls out onto it. Then you could have gotten into a game/match/action on another table with another person (as you did) on the table the other person was already on. This would have tied-up the table you were paying for so that the counter man couldn't have rented it out to someone else for more profits. The way you did it left a table open for the counter man to rent to somebody else therefore making the hall MORE money than they would have gotten had the table been tied up by you. The savings/profit should have allowed you to get the 2-player rate.

That's just BAD business as far as I'm concerned!!!

Maniac
 
This is simple, you are just missing one piece of information from your first post:

If both players had their own set of balls from the counter, then they each pay the single player rate. EVEN if one set of balls was just sitting on the floor by the table.

If only one set of balls was taken from the counter total, then the second player should be charged the 2-player rate, and the first player should be charged the single player rate for his alone time, and the 2-player rate when he had a playing partner.
 
Just to clarify, I never got a rack of balls. I walked in and the guy I played with was up at the counter. I asked him if he wanted to shoot and we went straight to his table.

They do not use a computer. They right it on paper. Simple 'system' that makes it easy to make notations of time, player changes, etc...

The hall is Waldo's in Port Orange, FL. I use to really like the place when it was with the previous owner, but I'm not sure now. This isn't my first problem with the owner, but this is the first time he's messed with my money and NO ONE messes with my money, I don't care if it's $4, or $400... I've got other places here I can and do play at. Waldo's gets about 1/3rd of my time. Sorry, GOT about 1/3rd of my time.

For any of you on here familiar with this place I'm not trying to bash this business. I disagree with the owners business practices and don't like his attitude, but that's my problem. His wife, co-owner, is cool in my book though. To bad he jacks everything up for me...

Thanks for the input everyone-

J.
 
Wheeljack said:
over a $4 overcharge.
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ok to be fair I don't quite understand the whole single player multiple player rate thing (a little hungover to day brain is just not firing) but its $4 if you spend $100 /month on pool this month it was $104 i'd just move on
 
Wheeljack said:
So, I go into a hall here in the Daytona Beach area last night to kill some time before going to meet friends.

Normally, I practice by myself, but last night there was a guy there that I knew when I arrived and we played together for an hour and a half. He already had a table when I got there.

So, I finish and go to pay my time and the owner charges me the single player rate. I questioned him on it and he said my friend already had his table and his time was seperate. I pressed the issue a little and the owner just shrugged his shoulders at me. Pissed me off to no end. I told him that was fine and all, but that is not the way it is normally done.

This place changed owners late last year and the old management did not charge me that way. My old pool room in KY did not charge that way.

Does anyone here have a pool room that charges like that? If I'm wrong here then I will get over it. Otherwise, that joint just lost over $100/month in my table time fees over a $4 overcharge.

Please share your thoughts-

J.
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All 3 pool rooms i go to charge for seprate time like that. Kickshots,Billiard hutch and Michael's Billiards. all in NKY and Cincinnati.
 
None of the places around here charge differently for single/double/triple players on a table. You're playing, it's by the hour. Doesn't matter what table.

ONE place will let the 4th guy play free, but only if all 4 are on one table (playing doubles, or alternating teams, etc).

I don't see any problem being charged for 1.5 hours of play, since you played for 1.5 hours. But maybe that's because I'm just used to how it's done around here. But, if the single player rate is higher than if you had a friend playing with you; that doesn't seem fair at all.
 
terminal_288 said:
ok to be fair I don't quite understand the whole single player multiple player rate thing (a little hungover to day brain is just not firing) but its $4 if you spend $100 /month on pool this month it was $104 i'd just move on
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Their evening rates are $6/hour for one player, $9/hour for two players, $xx/hour three players, etc... The day rates are a little cheaper.

Look, last night I didn't expect to play anyone thats just the way it happened so I would have gladly paid that amount if I had been by myself. To me it's more of a question of principle. The guy has upset me before over stuff and last night was the last straw for me, at least for a while.

Here's the rundaown for my very first interaction with him:
It was a Sunday and from 1-4 on Sundays you get to play pool for free if you belong to one of their in-house leagues. I use to play in a league out of there so I know the deal. I walk in and the guy's wife asks me "Are you on an APA team?" I knew what she was getting at and answered "Yes, but not on a team out of here." He then jumps in on the conversation telling me all excited-like "Well, you can't play for free then!" and says that I have to pay AND he said it like 3 times like I'm trying to pull a fast one on them, or something. I stated that I knew that and it was cool and went on with my day.

I do not feel that is the way to conduct yourself as a new owner of a long standing pool hall to a customer 'new to you' who you've never met before. Things have just went down hill since.

Anyway, again, thanks for the input everyone-

J.
 
Then you better learn math

Wheeljack said:
Just to clarify, I never got a rack of balls. I walked in and the guy I played with was up at the counter. I asked him if he wanted to shoot and we went straight to his table.

They do not use a computer. They right it on paper. Simple 'system' that makes it easy to make notations of time, player changes, etc...

The hall is Waldo's in Port Orange, FL. I use to really like the place when it was with the previous owner, but I'm not sure now. This isn't my first problem with the owner, but this is the first time he's messed with my money and NO ONE messes with my money, I don't care if it's $4, or $400... I've got other places here I can and do play at. Waldo's gets about 1/3rd of my time. Sorry, GOT about 1/3rd of my time.

For any of you on here familiar with this place I'm not trying to bash this business. I disagree with the owners business practices and don't like his attitude, but that's my problem. His wife, co-owner, is cool in my book though. To bad he jacks everything up for me...

Thanks for the input everyone-

J.
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Don't mean to diss you but if you played an hour and a half at one player rate that should be $9 so if he would have charged you the two player rate which he should have that would be $6.75 so if I go by what you say you were only overcharged $2.25 not 4 bucks.
Also did you tell him or the counter person you were joining your friend on the table. If he didn't know it at the time he may have thought you were playing with him the whole time and he just missed it and charged you for the whole time the other guy was on the table. How much did he charge the other guy? If you know. Might make a difference. That seems more likely cause as a room owner myself i see guys come in all the time joining tables and not checking in. So what happens out of spite they get charged for the whole time for not checking in. Normally however I just bring it up as a lesson so check in next time. But what is an owner or conter person suppose to do if someone doesn't check in then says oh, I have only played say a half hour. People always trying to get over on the help. Good training avoids that.
 
As a room owner,

stljohnny said:
None of the places around here charge differently for single/double/triple players on a table. You're playing, it's by the hour. Doesn't matter what table.

ONE place will let the 4th guy play free, but only if all 4 are on one table (playing doubles, or alternating teams, etc).

I don't see any problem being charged for 1.5 hours of play, since you played for 1.5 hours. But maybe that's because I'm just used to how it's done around here. But, if the single player rate is higher than if you had a friend playing with you; that doesn't seem fair at all.
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Yes it is fair to charge higher for single players at night.
What if there is a waiting list, why should room owner lose money when a single player ties up table at a single player rate when they can rent out at 2 or more player rate which would be much higher. So the compromise is, charge the single player a little higher where they probably won't play as long. That is only fair.
 
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