Earl is being Earl right now vs. Hatch

The rule is that the base of the ball must not be above the line. It may sit on top of the line.

I thought the standardized general rules for pocket billiards states that "behind the head string" does not include the head string itself. Hence, a cue ball placed with its base resting exactly on the head string would be considered ABOVE the line.

So, if a legal break must be made with the cue ball behind the head string, being ON the line is illegal. And, in games which require a cue ball to be placed BEHIND the line and a legal shot may only made at balls above the line, an object ball resting exactly on the head string is a legal shot.

Am I mistaken?
 
I thought the standardized general rules for pocket billiards states that "behind the head string" does not include the head string itself. Hence, a cue ball placed with its base resting exactly on the head string would be considered ABOVE the line.

So, if a legal break must be made with the cue ball behind the head string, being ON the line is illegal. And, in games which require a cue ball to be placed BEHIND the line and a legal shot may only made at balls above the line, an object ball resting exactly on the head string is a legal shot.

Am I mistaken?

there's more than one way that this is played. Most places play "Base of the ball" meaning that if the ball is more than half way over the line, it's out. Some people/places play "any part of the ball touching the line" (such as the Derby this year) meaning that the entire cue ball must be behind the line and any ball you shoot at has to be entirely past the line. This is why you have players meetings. To iron out these differences in advance.
 
Earl wants to be on the M Cup, don't bet against it

This is a BCA points event which is (in main part) how the US picks the Mosconi Cup team. Earl just picked up some points on the field, with the lone exception being Mike Dechaine.

I'd expect the US points leaders after this, which I believe to be the 3rd event of 8, to be:

1) Corey
2) Dechaine
3 or 4) Earl
3 or 4) Rocketman
5) Hatch
6, 7, 8) Archer, Putnam SVB, in unknown order
 
IMHO You'd never see Earl sending strong arm robbers to rip off road players like Hatch did!

This is totally a classless comment that is really uncalled for. You sir, should be ashamed. Without knowing the full details of a event that happened almost a decade ago your gonna just throw that out there? It's obvious you don't like Dennis, that's fine, but low blows like this are childish.
 
This is totally a classless comment that is really uncalled for. You sir, should be ashamed. Without knowing the full details of a event that happened almost a decade ago your gonna just throw that out there? It's obvious you don't like Dennis, that's fine, but low blows like this are childish.

I know a little more about the details than you think. Dennis sent the hold up guys to rob the road players. That's a fact! And you're right I don't like Dennis for this and other devious acts. I wasn't going to go into all of the reasons unless someone, like you, want me to.
 
I know a little more about the details than you think. Dennis sent the hold up guys to rob the road players. That's a fact! And you're right I don't like Dennis for this and other devious acts. I wasn't going to go into all of the reasons unless someone, like you, want me to.

I do not want to get into it at all. But to bring it up for no good reason totally unprovoked is stupid, that's my point.
 
Unreal

This is totally a classless comment that is really uncalled for. You sir, should be ashamed. Without knowing the full details of a event that happened almost a decade ago your gonna just throw that out there? It's obvious you don't like Dennis, that's fine, but low blows like this are childish.

Buffalofloyd,
I disagree with you strongly.

First, Cuesmith printed nothing "classless". He referenced an incident that is on record.
Second, how do you know what Sherm does or doesn't know???

YOU however, DO have the whole story on what happened "X" amount of years ago, right? Yea, sure.

Why is it that nowadays, people are so willing to jump down someone's throat for pointing out something that DID happen in the past? Why is someone who made a "mistake in judgement" (as people are now apt to say) or commited a crime, so off limits from every being mentioned ever again?

Yet, the very same people who will bash someone for something they wrote can just about vilify people like Strickland and think nothing of it?
THAT'S classy???

It's so easy for some of the people here to jump on the bandwagon and just pound someone unmercifully (Earl) for his behavior, which, by the way and for the record, NEVER RESULTED IN HIM SERVING ANY JAIL TIME. Yet, let someone actually BE CONVICTED OF A CRIME & SERVE TIME IN A PRISON and nobody is allowed to ever mention that ever again?????

Hush-hush or you are called "classless"?????

Say anything about it ever again and you'll hear the left wing cuckoos tripping over themselves to say "So & so served his time! Cut him a break!"
Yet, when Earl breathes wrong, threads are made about it. Go figure.

Has Earl Strickland ever commited a crime where he was ever arrested? Let alone convicted??? The answer is a resounding "No". But nonetheless,
villify him for checking the position of a cue ball.

Did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps Dennis was purposely placing it as close as possible just to get Earl riled up? When Earl checks something like that, did it ever occur to you that perhaps he had reason to? No, I bet you never thought of that.

Do you remember in the 2001 Master's 9 Ball Championships when Earl told Corey Deuel that he, Corey, "just can not be trusted" to rack the balls fairly after having found holes in Corey's racking for several games. All that is on tape by the way. And Corey correctly racked them the rest of the match after Earl called him on it.

Take pot shots at a man like Earl and you get atta boys from the other people who love to pile it on. Yet stick up for the ones in pool who have actually been convicted of a crime. Not of poor sportsmanship (which is debateable anyway) but of a CRIME that resulted in a permanant criminal record.

Makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it.

Here's another gem...A crime occurs in a bad neighborhood and the residents blame it on the Po-lice! Next day, when the police are arresting someone in that very same neighborhood, they are accused of picking on the people who live there. Damned if they don't & damned if they do.

In other words, some people have tremendous double standards.

Least anyone think I'm refering to Mr Hatch in my post, I'm refereing to everyone who has ever been arrested & convicted who is then placed on a "Do not touch" list here at AZBillirads. After all, they served their time. Let's give them a 2nd or 6th chance and just don't nobody ever bring it up ever again. After all, some here have real rascals to roast. Like a 6 time Word Champion & 5 time US Open Champion who checks the position of a cue ball.

GO Earl!!!
 
You are entitled to your opinion. My point was, what was the point in even bringing it up when it has nothing to do with anything in this thread? I have nothing to say about Earl. Earl is Earl. I just don't understand a comment like this when it's unprovoked and has nothing to do with anything. I'll leave it at that and I've said what I wanted to say.
 
I do not want to get into it at all. But to bring it up for no good reason totally unprovoked is stupid, that's my point.

Why?

Other people bring up Earl's past antics in the Mosconi Cup and that's ok, right? You stick up for Earl like you did for Hatch? Why not???

I can tell you what stupid is. Picking on anyone who has served time for a crime is stupid. But not nearly as stupid as wholeheartedly cart blanche' defending all the ones who have served time.

There's a fairly long list of sort of famous pool players who have served time or are currently serving time.

And as part of their probation, it specifically says that we the peeps of AZB are absolutely forbidden to ever mention whatever happned ever again.

But hey, did you see what Earl did when Daryl Peach......
 
You are entitled to your opinion. My point was, what was the point in even bringing it up when it has nothing to do with anything in this thread? I have nothing to say about Earl. Earl is Earl. I just don't understand a comment like this when it's unprovoked and has nothing to do with anything. I'll leave it at that and I've said what I wanted to say.

And you are entitled to your opinion as well.

By the way, nothing wrong with a civil debate / discussion. I like how you managed to sort of keep it that way.

I'm done also.

Let's to pocket billiards now!
 
You are entitled to your opinion. My point was, what was the point in even bringing it up when it has nothing to do with anything in this thread?

what was the point of posting the thread? Earl called a guy for putting the ball past the headstring, that is a rule and it is Earl's right to demand that the cueball not be in an illegal position on his opponents break shot. But because it is "Earl" it becomes a multi-page chance for members of this forum who like to bash Earl. And then someone brings up something that truly IS a bullshit act AND illegal not on the table, but by law, and you think THAT is out of line? Give me a freaking break, talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

If you are going to suddenly go all high and mighty on the morality of things try to do so with less obvious bias. If it is OK to bash Earl on this stupid kind of crap then Hatch's illegal acts of the past are not off limits.
 
I thought the standardized general rules for pocket billiards states that "behind the head string" does not include the head string itself. Hence, a cue ball placed with its base resting exactly on the head string would be considered ABOVE the line.

So, if a legal break must be made with the cue ball behind the head string, being ON the line is illegal. And, in games which require a cue ball to be placed BEHIND the line and a legal shot may only made at balls above the line, an object ball resting exactly on the head string is a legal shot.

Am I mistaken?

You are not mistaken. Another way to think of it is that the break shot must be struck with the base of the cue ball in the kitchen, and the head string is not part of the kitchen.
 
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what was the point of posting the thread? Earl called a guy for putting the ball past the headstring, that is a rule and it is Earl's right to demand that the cueball not be in an illegal position on his opponents break shot. But because it is "Earl" it becomes a multi-page chance for members of this forum who like to bash Earl. And then someone brings up something that truly IS a bullshit act AND illegal not on the table, but by law, and you think THAT is out of line? Give me a freaking break, talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

If you are going to suddenly go all high and mighty on the morality of things try to do so with less obvious bias. If it is OK to bash Earl on this stupid kind of crap then Hatch's illegal acts of the past are not off limits.

lol... obviously I did not make myself clear. I didn't bash Earl or anyone and have no intention of doing so, it's pointless and a waste of my time. I don't care at all about the cueball headstring nonsense. I've seen this routine before from Earl, he is within his right to call a foul or whatever, although sometimes I think he takes it to the extreme... but whatever, that's what kind of guy he is... if it works, good for him.

I don't really care about any of that. I only wondered what Dennis' past has to do with particular thread and what the point of bringing it up was. Dennis is my friend, it's no secret. If people want to jump on me because I question the point of bringing up his jailtime when it has nothing to do with Earl or the cueball and headstring that's fine. I have thick skin and I don't mind it. If there was a thread about pool players that have gone to jail or committed crimes I could see the point in bringing it up. I just don't see why it was brought up for any other reason than somebody not liking the guy and taking a dig at him. But whatever, I've already said more than I should about the matter and prolly shouldn't have said anything at all.

By all means let the mudslinging commence...

Cheers,
Jim
 
Buffalofloyd,
I disagree with you strongly.

First, Cuesmith printed nothing "classless". He referenced an incident that is on record.
Second, how do you know what Sherm does or doesn't know???

YOU however, DO have the whole story on what happened "X" amount of years ago, right? Yea, sure.

Why is it that nowadays, people are so willing to jump down someone's throat for pointing out something that DID happen in the past? Why is someone who made a "mistake in judgement" (as people are now apt to say) or commited a crime, so off limits from every being mentioned ever again?

Yet, the very same people who will bash someone for something they wrote can just about vilify people like Strickland and think nothing of it?
THAT'S classy???

It's so easy for some of the people here to jump on the bandwagon and just pound someone unmercifully (Earl) for his behavior, which, by the way and for the record, NEVER RESULTED IN HIM SERVING ANY JAIL TIME. Yet, let someone actually BE CONVICTED OF A CRIME & SERVE TIME IN A PRISON and nobody is allowed to ever mention that ever again?????

Hush-hush or you are called "classless"?????

Say anything about it ever again and you'll hear the left wing cuckoos tripping over themselves to say "So & so served his time! Cut him a break!"
Yet, when Earl breathes wrong, threads are made about it. Go figure.

Has Earl Strickland ever commited a crime where he was ever arrested? Let alone convicted??? The answer is a resounding "No". But nonetheless,
villify him for checking the position of a cue ball.

Did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps Dennis was purposely placing it as close as possible just to get Earl riled up? When Earl checks something like that, did it ever occur to you that perhaps he had reason to? No, I bet you never thought of that.

Do you remember in the 2001 Master's 9 Ball Championships when Earl told Corey Deuel that he, Corey, "just can not be trusted" to rack the balls fairly after having found holes in Corey's racking for several games. All that is on tape by the way. And Corey correctly racked them the rest of the match after Earl called him on it.

Take pot shots at a man like Earl and you get atta boys from the other people who love to pile it on. Yet stick up for the ones in pool who have actually been convicted of a crime. Not of poor sportsmanship (which is debateable anyway) but of a CRIME that resulted in a permanant criminal record.

Makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it.

Here's another gem...A crime occurs in a bad neighborhood and the residents blame it on the Po-lice! Next day, when the police are arresting someone in that very same neighborhood, they are accused of picking on the people who live there. Damned if they don't & damned if they do.

In other words, some people have tremendous double standards.

Least anyone think I'm refering to Mr Hatch in my post, I'm refereing to everyone who has ever been arrested & convicted who is then placed on a "Do not touch" list here at AZBillirads. After all, they served their time. Let's give them a 2nd or 6th chance and just don't nobody ever bring it up ever again. After all, some here have real rascals to roast. Like a 6 time Word Champion & 5 time US Open Champion who checks the position of a cue ball.

GO Earl!!!

I think your post is more about the indignation of how Earl's incidents are immediately served up as the breakfast of the day here on this forum than it is about Hatch's past or even Sherm's post, although I agree with you Sherm hasn't done anything classless.

I had never heard what Dennis had done to serve time and reading that thread opened up my eyes to something I didn't know and I like knowing things, good and bad. I try not to punish anyone for crimes that they have been convicted of. They've already served their debt to society according to our law.

What I like most about your post is for standing up for Earl. In the big picture, Earl Strickland will always be the greatest U.S Open 9 Ball Champion and nothing will ever change that. Earl not having been convicted of any crime, well yeah, that's a plus for sure. :)

And yes, this is a pool forum and this pool forum hangs every little gesture that Earl has ever made right out front for everyone to see and gaggle over.

Dennis, Earl, you, I and everyone in this forum have our own crosses to bear. Some of them are just a little easier to bear than others and that's something I try to remind myself of when I come upon unnecessary conflict.

JoeyA
 
lol... obviously I did not make myself clear. I didn't bash Earl or anyone and have no intention of doing so, it's pointless and a waste of my time. I don't care at all about the cueball headstring nonsense. I've seen this routine before from Earl, he is within his right to call a foul or whatever, although sometimes I think he takes it to the extreme... but whatever, that's what kind of guy he is... if it works, good for him.

I don't really care about any of that. I only wondered what Dennis' past has to do with particular thread and what the point of bringing it up was. Dennis is my friend, it's no secret. If people want to jump on me because I question the point of bringing up his jailtime when it has nothing to do with Earl or the cueball and headstring that's fine. I have thick skin and I don't mind it. If there was a thread about pool players that have gone to jail or committed crimes I could see the point in bringing it up. I just don't see why it was brought up for any other reason than somebody not liking the guy and taking a dig at him. But whatever, I've already said more than I should about the matter and prolly shouldn't have said anything at all.

By all means let the mudslinging commence...

Cheers,
Jim

Jim,
I've always respected someone who sticks up for their friends, even their friends who have made a mistake or two. All of us have made mistakes that we wished we hadn't. Most of us haven't had to pay for those mistakes.

I don't think that you've done anything wrong either. You're defended a friend whom you feel was unnecessarily put upon and you made a good point and expressed yourself just as others have. I didn't know about the details of Dennis's past and I'm glad I know now. I had actually thought it might have been much worse. I'm glad Sherm provided the details or I would never have known.

No mudslinging needed or desired. Everything & everyone in the forum now returning to our normal brotherly love.

JoeyA
 
I think the point in bringing up Hatch's past go towards him being just as guilty as earl for sharking and other stunts... I am a fan of Earls and grow tired of people comming down on earl for complaining, if you make your living doing something and you feel someone is trying to gain an unfair advantage, wouldn't yu complain also. just a thought
 
For the 2nd time in their match, Earl is protesting where Dennis is putting the cue ball on his breaks - Earl contends it's illegal over the headstring line. TD Ken Schuman and Jay have had to intervene.

Dennis and Earl have exchanged words...

Earl is up 4 - 3 at the moment.

Stay tuned!

Best,
Brian kc

I don't know what Earl's thinking! Dennis might make a shiv out of a filed down tooth brush during a break and shank him! lol felons are funny like that
 
Having gambled/played with both its the elephant in the room....''what's going on''. It's obvious, these two type personalities don't get along in the same cage very well.

Right, but does Earl play that he's angry and Dennis really get's angry? I know I would be seeing red. For that I say Earl is no fool, it works. With other player personalities, he doesn't try as hard to piss them off because he knows he can't.
 
I don't see anything wrong with Earl asking that Dennis break from behind the line. If it's a move, then it is because Dennis let it get to him. Really shouldn't be that big of a deal.
 
When i posted this thread it was because there was a noteworthy incident during Earl's and Dennis's match, the cue ball/headstring placement issue. (Great screenshot Joe Jaguar)

The TD's got it sorted out, some words were exchanged, the strain lasted a little while longer, and the match played on to its conclusion.

I happen to be a big Earl fan, never posted this to bash him. Just reporting facts.

I understand why BuffaloFloyd stood up for Dennis. They're friends. Most of us would have likely done the same.

I agree with Joey - time to get back to azb brotherly love.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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