I personally would consider this hustling.
Is adjusting your level of play to your opponents play level laying down?
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I personally would consider this hustling.
Mantis99, I am not trying to hustle anyone.
It is hard enough to get a game now. And then if you beat a person like a drum, you will never get that person to play you any more. It use to be that you played even and the best man won! Not these days. They come to me and ask me to play, second thing out of their mouth is what are you giving up! If I ask you to play me, I do not need any weight.
I use to play wide open all the time, for fun or money. It got so you do not get any action unless I shoot with one hand, and they shoot with two hands. But I guess that is OK! Now I offer weight before they ask!
Thus, now I adjust my playing level.
Thanks for your multiple responses and input. I appreciate it.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
It is hard enough to get a game now. And then if you beat a person like a drum, you will never get that person to play you any more. It use to be that you played even and the best man won! Not these days. They come to me and ask me to play, second thing out of their mouth is what are you giving up! If I ask you to play me, I do not need any weight.
I use to play wide open all the time, for fun or money. It got so you do not get any action unless I shoot with one hand, and they shoot with two hands. But I guess that is OK! Now I offer weight before they ask!
Thus, now I adjust my playing level.
Thanks for your multiple responses and input. I appreciate it.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
I'll take a root beer, as I do not drink!
I mean I will buy you a root beer when you win.... He, He, He.
Thanks again, Grey.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
I mean I will buy you a root beer when you win.... He, He, He.
Thanks again, Grey.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
How high is high?
Lockup, what is going on with you? Do you really have some money for me? Even, I hope! Let me know! Thanks for your input and response.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Lockup, what is going on with you? Do you really have some money for me? Even, I hope! Let me know! Thanks for your input and response.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Now this guy knows what the hell he's talking about. Concise and to the point.
I could listen to him all day.
Yes , I do agree that there are many reasons to adjust the speed of your play .
BUUUT , the original question , and title of this post is
"Is adjusting your level of play to your opponents play level laying down ?"
Yes , it is laying down . There are many reasons and justifications for it , and it might not neccessarily be WRONG , but at the end of the day , it's "laying down" .
call it 'holding back speed' , 'playing on the lemon' , 'sandbagging' , whatever , it's still LAYING DOWN . Just callin' a spade a spade ! ( and I don't care if that pisses the spades off ! )
I got a 13 - speed RoadRanger in my case . . .
BUUUT , the original question , and title of this post is
"Is adjusting your level of play to your opponents play level laying down ?"
Yes , it is laying down . There are many reasons and justifications for it , and it might not neccessarily be WRONG , but at the end of the day , it's "laying down" .
call it 'holding back speed' , 'playing on the lemon' , 'sandbagging' , whatever , it's still LAYING DOWN . Just callin' a spade a spade ! ( and I don't care if that pisses the spades off ! )
I got a 13 - speed RoadRanger in my case . . .
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You sound a little Bitter! Ridinda9...
You already answered the question in the thread. Which I think is great! and then you go on to say you're calling a spade a spade, and you don't care if the spade is P**sed off! Now, I would not post a thread if I was going to get angry at the answer! Just for the record. I thank you for your response and input.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Yes , I do agree that there are many reasons to adjust the speed of your play .
BUUUT , the original question , and title of this post is
"Is adjusting your level of play to your opponents play level laying down ?"
Yes , it is laying down . There are many reasons and justifications for it , and it might not neccessarily be WRONG , but at the end of the day , it's "laying down" .
call it 'holding back speed' , 'playing on the lemon' , 'sandbagging' , whatever , it's still LAYING DOWN . Just callin' a spade a spade ! ( and I don't care if that pisses the spades off ! )
I got a 13 - speed RoadRanger in my case . . .
You already answered the question in the thread. Which I think is great! and then you go on to say you're calling a spade a spade, and you don't care if the spade is P**sed off! Now, I would not post a thread if I was going to get angry at the answer! Just for the record. I thank you for your response and input.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Yes, this is primarly the goals of a hustler. Hustlers are also easily found in tournaments. However, because it's frowned upon, they're not just going to show their full potential. This scares other potential competitors from entering the tournament.
Additionally, in reference slightly to my last post, the person that gets hustled probably deserved it to begin with. Why is that? Well, from my experience and past hustles, the person getting hustled is expecting to be the hustler.
It's an age old game "wolf in sheeps clothing", where you play down your skill or hold back speed in order to look vulnerable. After all, assumptions can be dangerous. Things get really interesting when hustlers try to hustle each other, which I like to call the game of "wolf in wolf's clothing". Haha.
I wouldn't say that it's laying down as much as it is playing lazy. Playing someone that isn't that good gets you into a mood of not having to bear down. My favorite people to play are the ones who hate losing control of the table. I might be kicking at balls for 5 racks in a row, but as soon as I get that shot I'll do the same to him for as long as I possibly can.
Well said, Gunzby.
You're right, when you do not have to bare down you tend to not do so. If you do not have to. And you still get the win. Thank you for your response and input.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
You're right, when you do not have to bare down you tend to not do so. If you do not have to. And you still get the win. Thank you for your response and input.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
the heart of the matter
You came to the heart of the matter for me. While I almost always hid my speed I also had a personal rule that I never raised the bet over $3-$5 a game in the seventies. The people that weren't hustling me were never hurt too bad. The people who were also on the lemon while constantly wanting to jack the bet almost always found a bigger wolf when they were finally ready to drop the hammer. Reading the speed of somebody that was stalling while successfully hiding your own was a critical skill.
Since I only hooked the people that hustled me I never considered what I did hustling until I came to the internet forums. I played friendly games at a friendly speed much like I played banger speed when playing for nothing with my banger friends. I might be aiming at points or nudging balls around or whatever to keep myself entertained and not be playing quite as sloppily as it seemed but I was giving the other players a chance at the table. When a would be hustler saw what was going on as easy pickings . . . I didn't really feel that his poor judgment was my fault.
I got a huge grin listening to the 60 minute interview of UJ Puckett. He said that the people that played him had never shot so many times in a match-up and still lost or words to that effect. Safeties didn't go over well in redneck country unless they were "accidental" rolls after a near miss. That was a well polished art form.
Hu
You came to the heart of the matter for me. While I almost always hid my speed I also had a personal rule that I never raised the bet over $3-$5 a game in the seventies. The people that weren't hustling me were never hurt too bad. The people who were also on the lemon while constantly wanting to jack the bet almost always found a bigger wolf when they were finally ready to drop the hammer. Reading the speed of somebody that was stalling while successfully hiding your own was a critical skill.
Since I only hooked the people that hustled me I never considered what I did hustling until I came to the internet forums. I played friendly games at a friendly speed much like I played banger speed when playing for nothing with my banger friends. I might be aiming at points or nudging balls around or whatever to keep myself entertained and not be playing quite as sloppily as it seemed but I was giving the other players a chance at the table. When a would be hustler saw what was going on as easy pickings . . . I didn't really feel that his poor judgment was my fault.
I got a huge grin listening to the 60 minute interview of UJ Puckett. He said that the people that played him had never shot so many times in a match-up and still lost or words to that effect. Safeties didn't go over well in redneck country unless they were "accidental" rolls after a near miss. That was a well polished art form.
Hu
Well, there's a huge difference between hustling and just not putting 100% effort into the game, IMHO. Hitting top gear requires a huge expenditure of mental energy, which is difficult for most people to maintain for more than a few hours at a time. If someone plays B speed for practice, or in a two-buck ring game, but then plays A speed matching up for higher stakes, it doesn't necessarily mean they were laying down the lemon to get a good bet. They could simply be saving their energy for what they consider to be a worthwhile venture.
As a general rule, players should protect themselves at all times, and one of the ways to do that is by not making assumptions when it comes to matching up with someone you don't know. Some of us play a whole lot better for money than we do for funsies. Some will openly admit it; some will not.
Aaron
As a general rule, players should protect themselves at all times, and one of the ways to do that is by not making assumptions when it comes to matching up with someone you don't know. Some of us play a whole lot better for money than we do for funsies. Some will openly admit it; some will not.
Aaron
Aaron, that is Top Shelf what you wrote!
That is the best response/input you could give! I like that all the way... You tell it like you see it and like it is. Thank you for your response and input, Mr. Aaron.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
That is the best response/input you could give! I like that all the way... You tell it like you see it and like it is. Thank you for your response and input, Mr. Aaron.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Hu, I like the way you explain yourself. Along with the truth. Thanks for your response and input.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Hello Tramp Steamer.
Is it OK if I write post to myself and compliment myself, like a friend on mind does? Let me know! He, He, He. (Smile.)
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Now this guy knows what the hell he's talking about. Concise and to the point.
I could listen to him all day.
Is it OK if I write post to myself and compliment myself, like a friend on mind does? Let me know! He, He, He. (Smile.)
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Aaron, where are you?
I would like some more input like you gave before! Man you tell it like it is, to the exact point.... Thanks again.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
I would like some more input like you gave before! Man you tell it like it is, to the exact point.... Thanks again.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
The hustle is no hustle for me
Well this is how I have done things all my life a majority of the time. I walk into a bar and put my quarters up , I take my turn and play my absolute best from jump street , for no bet, a dollar or twenty, what ever the table is for.
I have found out that if I lay down , I can't get up, I play wide open all the time, it may look like I'm laying down sometimes ,I just start out slow on dirty equipment, but after awhile I get to clicking the balls,
I have learned that if I let my opponent raise the bets , I can use that against them if they ever said I was hustling, but haven't had to use that saying much, I beat them so fracking bad they can't stand it, I mean put a 50, 60, 80 or a 100 game whoppin on a group of guys playing a challenge table in an afternoon and evening play.
An the cooliest thing about it is these guys are pissed that they can't win a game and raise the bet out of sight until all are broke or close to it, I was running out for a dollar and running out for 50 and 100, so I tell them you did to yourself, and they agree and everything is cool.
I just have to wait about 6 months before I return to that bar, then do it again.
Most people think that the higher they bet me in thses siituations will put pressure on me and they just keep raising it up, but I stay steady potting the balls.
Now of coarse these situations don't always work text book , some times they jump ship after 10 or 15 games, or call the wolves in on me, I handle that too by saying there player is the hustle and I need a big spot, they either spot me or game over, but I get what I can and move to the next spot.
I may come back later and beat the player when the crew of guys are gone, if I think I can really beat him and get his money.
Pool bores the hell out of me if I ain't playing to make balls, I just can't bump balls around, I know this seems crazy as hell to you guys, but it has worked out just fine for me 40 yrs.
Oh, one more thing, I never gamble at out of town poolrooms, that is the biggest knock since the cell phone for your game. I will play at my local poolroom and it is 80 miles from my house, but if I have a home poolroom it would the one in Texarkana,Ar..
If you want to lay down on a guy , instead of missing the ball a mile, making yourself look like what you don't want to represent, just shoot banks and a lot of combination's and you will look like a lucky a$$ player to some degree.
And if a player shows and starts stalling on me , he has to fade alot and may not come out of that stall, and lose, but you have to evaluate the odds of beating him or the table crew guys., may have to change tables , or wait until the player leaves, then proceed.
And for the last ten years or so I haven't had anyone stand up for a good whoopin like days of old, can't get a two dollar bet now out in most bars. , unless your playing the best player of 200 miles., those good days have past, but where ever I may be these days I'm running wide open, keeps the claws sharp!
David Harcrow
Well this is how I have done things all my life a majority of the time. I walk into a bar and put my quarters up , I take my turn and play my absolute best from jump street , for no bet, a dollar or twenty, what ever the table is for.
I have found out that if I lay down , I can't get up, I play wide open all the time, it may look like I'm laying down sometimes ,I just start out slow on dirty equipment, but after awhile I get to clicking the balls,
I have learned that if I let my opponent raise the bets , I can use that against them if they ever said I was hustling, but haven't had to use that saying much, I beat them so fracking bad they can't stand it, I mean put a 50, 60, 80 or a 100 game whoppin on a group of guys playing a challenge table in an afternoon and evening play.
An the cooliest thing about it is these guys are pissed that they can't win a game and raise the bet out of sight until all are broke or close to it, I was running out for a dollar and running out for 50 and 100, so I tell them you did to yourself, and they agree and everything is cool.
I just have to wait about 6 months before I return to that bar, then do it again.
Most people think that the higher they bet me in thses siituations will put pressure on me and they just keep raising it up, but I stay steady potting the balls.
Now of coarse these situations don't always work text book , some times they jump ship after 10 or 15 games, or call the wolves in on me, I handle that too by saying there player is the hustle and I need a big spot, they either spot me or game over, but I get what I can and move to the next spot.
I may come back later and beat the player when the crew of guys are gone, if I think I can really beat him and get his money.
Pool bores the hell out of me if I ain't playing to make balls, I just can't bump balls around, I know this seems crazy as hell to you guys, but it has worked out just fine for me 40 yrs.
Oh, one more thing, I never gamble at out of town poolrooms, that is the biggest knock since the cell phone for your game. I will play at my local poolroom and it is 80 miles from my house, but if I have a home poolroom it would the one in Texarkana,Ar..
If you want to lay down on a guy , instead of missing the ball a mile, making yourself look like what you don't want to represent, just shoot banks and a lot of combination's and you will look like a lucky a$$ player to some degree.
And if a player shows and starts stalling on me , he has to fade alot and may not come out of that stall, and lose, but you have to evaluate the odds of beating him or the table crew guys., may have to change tables , or wait until the player leaves, then proceed.
And for the last ten years or so I haven't had anyone stand up for a good whoopin like days of old, can't get a two dollar bet now out in most bars. , unless your playing the best player of 200 miles., those good days have past, but where ever I may be these days I'm running wide open, keeps the claws sharp!
David Harcrow
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Interesting way to justify it. So if someone tries to steal a woman's purse, and you stop it, should you then steal all the money in his wallet. I prefer to live at a certain moral and ethical standard that does not waver based on others actions.
Lock, just in case you don't know. YOu can click on a poster's name and click on their PROFILE and then you can click on FRIENDS and then you can "Befriend" someone. You don't have to wait until they befriend you.
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