10-Ball Breaking Data: Masters vs. Pro Players Championship

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Last week, I posted some data regarding the matches streamed by Accu-Stats from the 10-Ball Masters event in Virginia. This week, Inside Pool Magazine streamed some of the matches from the SBE 10-Ball Pro Players Championship in Pennsylvania. How did the results compare between last week and this week?

Note: Last week I scored all of the streamed matches (256 games). This week I'm reporting on results from just 7 of the matches (119 games), including the final 3 matches Sunday. Below is a comparison of the results from the two events.

As you can see, the results are quite similar for the 2 sets of matches. So I imagine this gives us a pretty good feeling for how the top pros do on these measures when playing "under the lights" on pro-cut Diamond tables.


Breaker Made at Least 1 Ball on the Break and Did Not Foul
Masters -- 155 of 254 (61%) [Info. for 2 games missing because of streaming problems.]
Pro Players Championship -- 75 of 119 (63%)
Combined -- 230 of 373 (62%)​

Breaker Won the Game
Masters -- 130 of 256 (51%)
Pro Players Championship -- 64 of 119 (54%)
Combined -- 194 of 375 (52%)​

Break-and-Run Games
Masters -- 49 of 256 (19%)
Pro Players Championship -- 21 of 119 (18%)
Combined -- 70 of 375 (19%)​
 
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That is very interesting. Thanks for the great statistical analysis of the two events. Wow!
 
Thanks for the stats! Very interesting. These two tournament were played with rack your own, alternate break and using delta rack triangle.

Will you watch the US Open in 10ball in May? I believe they will use the Magic Rack and Winners Break there. I am curious how the stats will look after that one.

Many players prefer to NOT use the Magic Rack when they match up against another top player in 10-ball. They prefer using the triangle, so "the break will not be too easy for the opponent".

Would be fun to see how your stats from Vegas could influence that view..
 
So the breaker wins the game 50% of the time (a little more) which would mean that there is no advantage to breaking. Yet the pros are breaking and running nearly 20% of the time.... I guess that would mean that when you break and don't run out, you lose a very large percentage of the time?
 
Mr Hoppe said:
So the breaker wins the game 50% of the time (a little more) which would mean that there is no advantage to breaking. Yet the pros are breaking and running nearly 20% of the time.... I guess that would mean that when you break and don't run out, you lose a very large percentage of the time?
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If you break and don't run out, you lose about 48% of the time. These are excellent odds for the person sitting in the chair watching the breaker attempt a runout. :grin:
 
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Thanks for sharing those statistics.. I am surprised that breaking isn't a bigger advantage at that level..
 
What are the odds that Frank will toss you from the tournament if your name is Earl? 100% Those two egos were too big to both fit into the venue.
 
Mr Hoppe said:
What are the odds that Frank will toss you from the tournament if your name is Earl? 100% Those two egos were too big to both fit into the venue.
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Whats the point of polluting this thread? You may or may not be right, but keep it in the Earl threads
 
pooladdict said:
Whats the point of polluting this thread? You may or may not be right, but keep it in the Earl threads
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Take a chill pill there buddy... This is a recent controversial pool related event. If you don't want to hear about it, then I suggest you stay off of the pool related forums...
 
AtLarge said:
Last week, I posted some data regarding the matches streamed by Accu-Stats from the 10-Ball Masters event in Virginia. This week, Inside Pool Magazine streamed some of the matches from the SBE 10-Ball Pro Players Championship in Pennsylvania. How did the results compare between last week and this week?

Note: Last week I scored all of the streamed matches (256 games). This week I'm reporting on results from just 7 of the matches (119 games), including the final 3 matches Sunday. Below is a comparison of the results from the two events.

As you can see, the results are quite similar for the 2 sets of matches. So I imagine this gives us a pretty good feeling for how the top pros do on these measures when playing "under the lights" on pro-cut Diamond tables.


Breaker Made at Least 1 Ball on the Break and Did Not Foul
Masters -- 155 of 254 (61%) [Info. for 2 games missing because of streaming problems.]
Pro Players Championship -- 75 of 119 (63%)
Combined -- 230 of 373 (62%)​

Breaker Won the Game
Masters -- 130 of 256 (51%)
Pro Players Championship -- 64 of 119 (54%)
Combined -- 194 of 375 (52%)​

Break-and-Run Games
Masters -- 49 of 256 (19%)
Pro Players Championship -- 21 of 119 (18%)
Combined -- 70 of 375 (19%)​
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Very nice, thank you for being a fellow pool nut:thumbup:

Racking templates are sure to raise all percentages.
I'll guess;
Ball on the break will be at least 75%
Break n Runs 30%
and Breaker wins 60%

Some other important factors will be;
match times may be decreased as much as 20%
and conflicts between players down by 50%!!

oh yeah Racking Secrets II may help speed this up toooo:wink:
 
Mr Hoppe said:
Take a chill pill there buddy... This is a recent controversial pool related event. If you don't want to hear about it, then I suggest you stay off of the pool related forums...
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Woah!! You're too cool for school!!


Thanks for the info AtLarge. Pretty interesting for sure!
 
Mr Hoppe said:
So the breaker wins the game 50% of the time (a little more) which would mean that there is no advantage to breaking. Yet the pros are breaking and running nearly 20% of the time.... I guess that would mean that when you break and don't run out, you lose a very large percentage of the time?
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Here's a further break-down for the 373 games for which I know whether the breaker made a ball:

Breaker made a ball (and did not foul)
Won game by B&R -- 70 (19%)​
Won game, but no B&R -- 75 (20%)​
Lost game -- 85 (23%)​

Breaker did not make a ball (or fouled)
Won game -- 49 (13%)​
Lost game -- 94 (25%)​

So, in response to Mr Hoppe's question, the breaker won 41% of the games where there was no B&R (124 out of 303). However, if he made a ball on the break, he won 47% of the games for which there was no B&R (75 out of 160), whereas if he did not make a ball on the break, he won only 34% of the games (49 out of 143).

And, overall (including B&R's), if the breaker made a ball, he won 63% of the time (145 of 230), whereas if he did not make a ball he won 34% of the time (49 of 143).
 
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Since spending any extra table time improving my 10-ball break may not matter much and the soft 9-ball break has proven to be so effective, I have a break cue for sale and alot more free time to work on shotmaking and CB control.
 
Yukon Ed said:
Since spending any extra table time improving my 10-ball break may not matter much .
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Why you say this? Cuz of the stats?
Just because 52% of the breakers won the game and 48% lost doesn't mean that exactly. Some of the real good breakers could have won 67% of their games and some bad breakers (& bad rackers) around 33%.
If Ralph beat me 10 zip and BNR his 5 racks and I came up dry 3 or 4 times, fouled or sold out then the stat would say the breaker won 50% of the games.
No practice does matter.
 
Joe T said:
Why you say this? Cuz of the stats?
Just because 52% of the breakers won the game and 48% lost doesn't mean that exactly. Some of the real good breakers could have won 67% of their games and some bad breakers (& bad rackers) around 33%.
If Ralph beat me 10 zip and BNR his 5 racks and I came up dry 3 or 4 times, fouled or sold out then the stat would say the breaker won 50% of the games.
No practice does matter.
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I think the Diamond tables have a big role in these stats. IMO, you're the best instructor/innovator in the game. Keep up the outstanding work!
 
Yukon Ed said:
I think the Diamond tables have a big role in these stats. IMO, you're the best instructor/innovator in the game. Keep up the outstanding work!
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Wow, thats nice of you to say, much appreciated. I'll keep up the work and you keep up the practice!
 
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